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    vBulletin!

    I'm shaking so bad I can hardly type.

    John at vBulletin has sent letters to my partner, my service provider, wbcom.net (whoever that is) stating that I'm running a pirated version of vBulletin Board!!
    I have a receipt and my credit card was charged.

    Why couldn't they just contact me first??

    Why contact all them people without affording me the oportunity to show them the receipts that even they have record of. After all, when you purchase it, you have to enter the url where you're going to use it.

    I'll be getting my money back and moving to a free board.
    I will not do business witth this poor company!
    Last edited by SoftWareRevue; 10-05-2001 at 03:16 PM.
    There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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    From reading their forums, they've struck me as a bunch of pricks over there anyway. Here's a nice freebie board.

    http://www.woltlab.de/en/forum/main.php
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    I run VB and never had any problems at all, excellent service.
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    Originally posted by The Realist
    I run VB and never had any problems at all, excellent service.
    I'll take it you've never been to their forum.
    As Seer eluded to.............very unprofessional.
    There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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    Yes I do, I visit everyday and get some great feedback from all users.
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    Originally posted by The Realist
    Yes I do, I visit everyday and get some great feedback from all users.
    Yeh..........A lot of users are friendly..........Jelsoft on the other hand

    There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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    I have never dealt with the company direct apart from when I purchased the software.

    Perhaps they got the wrong end of the stick but everyone can and does make mistakes.

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    Maybe this will help you understand my frustration.
    This is the letter they distributed without contacting me or even looking at their own members list..............
    -------Original Message-------

    From: John Percival
    Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 08:25:53 AM
    To: ***********; *********.com; mweinstein@wbcom.net; abuse@******.com
    Subject: http://*************

    Greetings,
    Please be informed that the site listed in the Subject Line is using
    Jelsoft's software - vBulletin (http://www.vbulletin.com/) - without a valid
    License in clear violation of Jelsoft's Licensing Agreement. Please see
    http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html with questions. The above-listed site
    has copied this material and included it on its Web site located at
    http://**************/ . I have a good faith belief that use of
    the
    material in the manner complained of is not authorized by Jelsoft, its
    agent, or the law and I believe that this is also in violation of your
    acceptable use policies. Please remove this infringing material from your
    servers for this violation or disable access to the same.

    Every effort has been made to find the name of the registered agent(s) on
    the Web site(s) in question, where that information may be incorrect or
    fraudluent, we treat you as the proper agent to receive notice of claimed
    infringement. I certify that the information in this notification is
    accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that I, John Percival - Chief
    Technical Officer of Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd, am authorized to act on behalf
    of Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd regarding Copyright and License violation issues
    and where those agreements have allegedly been infringed.

    Regards,

    John Percival

    Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd

    Ascot, Berkshire, UK
    A lot of things wrong with that.
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    Hmm, this really sucks. Why don't you just refuse any action (IF you are REALLY shure about that you have the receipt of the purchase) and wait for their lawsuit and sue them? That way you could get a couple of $1000's out of them.

    I recently purchased a domain and thought about to buy vBulletin and install it. But now....

    An yes. I had a look at http://www.woltlab.de/en/forum/main.php
    Might even be better than vBulletin and the best: IT'S FREE
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    I can understand the efforts to protect their product against piracy but unfortunately I feel the vbulletin team has the wrong attuide.

    The majority of time all I receive off the staff at the vbulletin.com forums is "enter your customer number and pasword in the profile", making me out to be a criminal.
    MattF - Since the start..
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    SWR, have you contacted Jelsoft to to state your case? You might consider giving them a fair chance to look into it and make amends.

    Just a thought.
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    That Jelsoft for you.
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    That WOLTLAB board looks very interesting! Looks like vB, but it's FREE! I say it's worth a try.
    (SH)Saeed
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    Looks like you have a new site

    "http://www.YourForumSucks.com".
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    SoftWareRevue,

    Have you contacted a lawyer? If your run a site that is used to make you a profit, this could undermine your charecter, and this act would be considered sladerious/liblious (not sure if spelt correct).


    Sometimes that way is the only way to get a point nailed though the thick skulls of corp. people....
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    Angry

    Why the hell have I been brought into this?
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    http://www.tophatdomains.com
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    Now I realize. The IP address is in our block.

    Sorry... going back into my shell.
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    I just went over to vB's forums, where I'm a regular poster, and noticed a poll by one of the owners of Jelsoft. Its concerning piracy. They want to make it so people who put their license number and password in their profile can view and post on certain forums...

    Now from a outside perspective this looks all nice and great, but from people like me, who own and operate no one site, this is horrible. I don't own my own site so never thought that I would need a vB license, but for me to offer my help at vB or get help for people who I work for I would have to get a license... You know what made vB great was the good software, and a openly run business, unlike what Infopop is like. But now they are going more and more gestopo (sorry spelling again) everyday....

    Piracy is I'm sure a problem but running your business into the ground is not the way to fix it...
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    Originally posted by alchiba
    SWR, have you contacted Jelsoft to to state your case? You might consider giving them a fair chance to look into it and make amends.

    Just a thought.

    Well alchiba,

    they had a fair chance... They could have asked for the licence information, before mailing the privider saying..

    Every effort has been made to find the name of the registered agent(s) on
    the Web site(s) in question..
    and

    I certify that the information in this notification is
    accurate
    These are plain out lies and have now make me look like a criminal...
    They never once tried to contact me and ask for my licence information, NOT ONCE!..
    They just mail my provider saying I am a CRIMINAL!
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    http://www.YourForumSucks.com

    Does have a nice ring to it
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    They're the "no-right click" company of the forum world.
    If you know what I mean..
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    ProHacker,

    This all happen because I refuse to make my Licence #
    and Password public domain.. and enter it into my profile... I
    said if you wish you can email me and I will give you the information..
    But I know you have it in your database that I have a licence..
    So why do I need to release this to all the Moderator's/Admin's..
    They are not employed by Jelsoft.. They do not need this information..

    It just sickens me... You would think having to pay so much for a board..
    You would get a little support, but they are not out to
    provide support for customers.. just try to get more money more money..

    *sigh*
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    PS: They also banned me from the forums..

    Glad my money was well spent!
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    Originally posted by WeinBar
    Why the hell have I been brought into this?
    Heh, Well anyway I have a licence and they never once
    mailed me before writing to you and me....

    So Unprofessional!

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    PS: I am very new here.. I read in the profiels..

    "One hyperlink per signature.?"

    Only I tried [url] and <a href=

    Can anyone help as to how to make my one hyperlink?
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    I'm sure you've seen it but www.xmbforums.com is starting to take off, the newest version 1.5 is in beta and looks good... And hell its free too....
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