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08-05-2005, 01:50 PM #1Dennis Johnson
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One fee forever hosting?
We see them around, "Pay this amount. We host you forever."
Anyone know how that's possible?
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08-05-2005, 01:52 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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I take it you are referring to the Steve Gunnels one?
I have no idea how the market changed like that....it's terrible that some people believe it is a good way to go.GeeksGather - Undergoing redevelopment. Stand by.
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08-05-2005, 01:57 PM #3WebHostingTalk Lover
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Re: One fee forever hosting?
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
We see them around, "Pay this amount. We host you forever."
Anyone know how that's possible?
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08-05-2005, 02:27 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Most of those sites should be considered fraud. That is just absurd.
It is a shame some people still fall for a scam like that.GenerousWebHosting.com Home of Generous George the Red Monster.
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08-05-2005, 02:45 PM #5Retired Moderator
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I'm sure the "business model" that backs this idea looks a lot like a pyramid scheme. As long as customers continually sign up it would be possible to sustain this business model. But like any pyramid scheme it probably works with impossible mathematical assumptions (for example that the host will gain 1,000 customers the first month, 2,000 the second month).
Of course no matter how well planned out they'll run out of new customers and close shop.
I remember this was a fad in 1998-1999 for ISPs. A local company did lifetime dialup for $120 and were gone in 6 months. Sometimes I wonder if these people just moved into the web hosting fraud market.If you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.
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08-05-2005, 02:59 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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If you search on google, you will still find web hosts offering one-time fee for lifetime hosting.
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08-05-2005, 03:08 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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We see them around, "Pay this amount. We host you forever."
Anyone know how that's possible?
Did I miss a class?
The only way it's possible is through the fly by night operations that are familiar to a few in the industry. If anyone can come up with a legitimate and plausible situation in which this will work, then you better call up a few fortune 500 companies right away.Denver Hunter | Webmaster | Library of Biz - Side Hustles, Small Business & Professional Growth
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08-05-2005, 03:25 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Greetings SoftWareRevue:
From a business model perspective, it would be among the most risk-based models.
New sales pay current expenses; current expenses grow as the number of servers and staff grow to maintain existing clients.
The caveats include zero incentives to support current clients as those clients are not the ones paying for the current expenses.
Thank you.
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08-05-2005, 03:26 PM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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Its possible depending upon the allocations. For example, $200 for lifetime hosting of a 10 mb disk space allocation + 1 gig bandwidth/month is plausible. Especially considering that the only expense would be bandwidth, which is hardly used by people who only need a small shared account, and the initial cost (700 or 800 bucks to buy a decent celeron for static html pages).
Plus, when you factor in that you'll get a constant stream of customers, overselling, and the time value of money, there's some parts of this idea that work. It's all about managing cash flow well and getting a good ROI with the cash.
The question is, is it really worth it from your standpoint (you'd probably make more money in the long run by charging month-to-month) and what kind of customers would you be attracting with such an offer...
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08-05-2005, 03:28 PM #10Junior Guru Wannabe
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I remember paying £50 for lifetime internet access (56k) and got a year out of it, that was really well priced (and still is) comapred to todays prices here, however waking up and trying to get online to find the phone number's gone isn't too great!
It will be the same with hosting, I should doubt it would even last a year though, everyone knows in this saturated market theres no guarantees on signups!Xurial.net
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08-05-2005, 03:33 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Its possible depending upon the allocations. For example, $200 for lifetime hosting of a 10 mb disk space allocation + 1 gig bandwidth/month is plausible. Especially considering that the only expense would be bandwidth, which is hardly used by people who only need a small shared account, and the initial cost (700 or 800 bucks to buy a decent celeron for static html pages).
Practical was it.
I think people are too wary of the lifetime scams to seriously consider upfronting hundreds of dollars - especially a large number of people (large enough to cover overhead as well as other expenses incurred).Denver Hunter | Webmaster | Library of Biz - Side Hustles, Small Business & Professional Growth
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08-05-2005, 05:03 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Looks like plenty of people have forgotten cyberwings 4 years on...
I'd advise anyone to look into the cyberwings case study because it is likely one of the best the industry has to offer on "how not to do things".ManageMyServices was sold by me in September 2009. I no longer have any affiliation with this company.
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08-05-2005, 05:48 PM #13Disabled
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To me, it's right up there with "unlimited space & bandwidth" in the spectrum of impossible offers.
Very few companies will exist forever. Those who do last longer than 10 years aren't offering ridiculous plans like this. They are offering stable services, with realistic features, and prices.
In the end, the guy who paid $xxx for a lifetime of hosting gets ripped off. Then, he turns around and falls for another scammer who is offering impossible plans.
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08-05-2005, 05:53 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Greetings:
Originally posted by fgraph
Its possible depending upon the allocations.
Even then, you have the monthly costs which should include all costs of running the business.
Thank you.
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08-05-2005, 06:22 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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The thing with that, is if something goes wrong with the host or he ever decides to stop hosting you, you end up out a lot of money in the end. Purchasing 1-2-3 and up to a year are fine, but come on.... a lifetime? seems dumb.
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08-05-2005, 07:34 PM #16Web Hosting Guru
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It's a clear business model:
"Dear client
Please pay $99 so that we can upgrade your account to one of our new servers.
The server where your account is hosted is getting old, insecure and unstable!
Thank you"
Or
" Dear customer
The past 5 years were fantastic years. I'm very happy. Unfortunately, our company is facing financial dificulties. And we are going to file for bankrupcy.
I'm also going to retire to the beautiful island I bought.
Goodbye!"
Why do people go for it? Isn't there a guy that sells real estate on the moon? And on Mars? Do you want to buy 100 acres of land on Mars? It's just $1000! Where will you buy 100 acres of land on Earth for $1000? It's a lifetime opportunity. Don't miss it!
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08-05-2005, 09:16 PM #17Temporarily Suspended
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lol. Anyone with half a brain wouldnt even look at a deal like that.
Are you going to able to host that client for 80 years?
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08-05-2005, 09:25 PM #18Retired Moderator
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Lifetime hosting can be practical if and only if they have a clause stating that to be a client you need to be 80 years and above : )
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08-05-2005, 09:27 PM #19Newbie
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Be very aware of the scams some companies are using to attract new customers, another common myth is unlimited bandwith or space.
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08-05-2005, 10:01 PM #20Texas Female
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Re: One fee forever hosting?
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
We see them around, "Pay this amount. We host you forever."
Anyone know how that's possible?
Did I miss a class?
LOL gotta love SWR threads
Wasnt it years ago that nomonthly did something similar? I remember it was pay for your domain and then nothing else.
Havent you ever noticed on the lifetime deals they never state whose lifetime that actually is? The host, owner or it could be life of the website....a good ploy to take your $$.
We cannot predict "lifetime" can we?
That was only ONE of Gunnels tactics.HostCaters.com - Quality Web Hosting - Under A Gig! - Since 1999
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08-05-2005, 10:09 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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I'd be willing to pay $1 for lifetime hosting.
wait.... wouldn't that be a form of Unlimited hosting? Unlimited time or something....???
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08-05-2005, 10:34 PM #22Texas Female
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Originally posted by Tekster
I'd be willing to pay $1 for lifetime hosting.
wait.... wouldn't that be a form of Unlimited hosting? Unlimited time or something....???
LOL, yep, I believe it wouldHostCaters.com - Quality Web Hosting - Under A Gig! - Since 1999
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08-06-2005, 07:31 AM #23Newbie
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You can see it from another perspective as well. Pay $5 for lifetime hosting, get a fair amount of space and bandwidth for it. However, your bandwidth doesn't get reset every month, it's like a one-timer. If you use up your bandwidth you have to pay another $5. Or am I missing something?
Surely risky, but can be done.
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08-06-2005, 08:04 AM #24Disabled
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Originally posted by Tekster
I'd be willing to pay $1 for lifetime hosting.
wait.... wouldn't that be a form of Unlimited hosting? Unlimited time or something....???
That is.. unless you're talking about mother nature, or god. Then, you know.. you would have to check to make sure your host is owned by mother nature or god, or if you are god or mother nature. Then, if you are either of those two, you could unleash a plague of locusts on your scamming host who went running off with your dollar. If your hosting company is owned by mother nature or god, then I don't think you would have much to worry about, since they already have all the resources of the universe in their hands.
Don't forget to read their terms of service / acceptable user policy either
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08-06-2005, 08:13 AM #25WHT Addict
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most hosts will not do that (ones that are out to take your money) but its a very good idea that some hosts have done.