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Old 09-29-2004, 09:26 PM
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CEO Invision Power Board, Matt Mecham Is a Goddam Liar!


IPB is off the shelf:

As many of you might already know, Invision Power board is no longer free.
As of Sep 27 2004, Matt Mecham removed the trial downloads from the IPS homepage without notice. Full Article Here.

But this one's going to hit him like a ton of bricks:

"Yes, we're pushing our paid services harder, but we're still offering a free product that is fully functional. This has always been our vision and it's not going to change. "They" said 1.1 wouldn't be free, it was. "They" said 1.2 wouldn't be free, it was. "They" said 1.3 wouldn't be free, it was. "They" say 2.0 won't be free - and it will be." -Matt Mecham

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Old 09-29-2004, 09:29 PM
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PWND by the Google cache!

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Old 09-29-2004, 09:31 PM
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So , who uses IPB anyway. Switch to phpBB much better, at least for free.

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Old 09-29-2004, 09:33 PM
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Screw them all...


I'VE GOT MY LIVEJOURNAL!!!11

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Old 09-29-2004, 09:34 PM
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Ouch. I know the forum I sold few months back was on IPB. Another reason why the decision to sell was well made

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Old 09-29-2004, 09:52 PM
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omg... stop the presses, we might actually be required to pay for quality software. those evil bastards, damn them to hell.

[edit] developers have to eat too.

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Old 09-29-2004, 10:00 PM
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So , who uses IPB anyway. Switch to phpBB much better, at least for free.
You have GOT to be on drugs. Free yes, better, not by a long shot.

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Old 09-29-2004, 10:02 PM
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I don't do drugs but maybe you like BS.

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Old 09-29-2004, 10:10 PM
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Old 09-30-2004, 03:05 AM
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I'm shocked as Matt Mecham has always said there would be a free unlimited trial verison of Invision Board. It looks like i'll be switching back to phpBB since its no longer free. I'm not a rich person and can't afford a license all the time. When I do get the money for a license it won't be going to Invision Board since he lied to us. It will be going to VBulletin Board. I'll send him a PM to see if maybe he will respond to this thread.

I can't believe he lied to us all. He seems like the real flip flopper not John Kerry.


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Old 09-30-2004, 03:06 AM
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This is how I feel and what I posted on their site...

"You know, over the last last two years I sure have seen changes to Invision Board.

I never spent a lot of time changing the forums around much so I have always been dropping in once every few months for the past several years. Because of that it's been really easy to see the shades of Microsoft looming in the way Invision Power Board has been heading.

It's readily apparent that Invision Power Board was given away for free to get market share and once that was we saw the introduction of 'modular' software just like Microsoft.

Even though IPB was clearly always going to be free (directly from Matt's mouth over and over) it now appears that there are no free versions anymore.

To make matters more interesting it seems that now I can only post in one are of the entire site. Everything else is blocked out. Try as I might, I can't seem to find the hacks site that used to be there for downloading. Is that gone too?

Wow! Invision Board sure has changed. I never had a problem with add-on modules that cost money because I thought that was only right. It seemed that the direction of the company was to give out the core program for free and then charge for the rest. Matt always said it the forum would be free.

Then the support changed. Then the restrictions on the forums account showed up. It goes on and on. IPB has morphed right into a Microsoft Clone. I mean, they really went all the way now. Nothing is free, no support is free, they are removing all posts that might have anything to do with things being free and removing the sites that have hacks. So even that is gone and certainly not free.

It's amazing how we were all used by Invision Power Board. Once we outlived our usefulness we got ostrasized by the Microsoft approach. I feel like a real Pariah now - even though I based my decision on Matt saying over and over that the base forum would always be free. He said it - I foolishly believed it.

I wonder how long it will be before people who paid for a lifetime license and free upgrades find out that even that has been taken away from them? Am I the only one who feels that IPB's whole persona has changed and that they just used us all to gain market share? I mean I can see their point - out of all the people who use their forums I'm sure a small percentage have paid for it - but the changes I've seen are pretty drastic and really seem outright nasty.

They went from a company that cared to a company that tried to make money in a nice way to a company that is out to scalp everyone - now that they have some market share and after we all promoted their products!

I guess I'm just glad that I have the 1.31 final on my hard drive. But I really wonder how long it will be before Invision Power Board adopts the policy of not updating their software but instead requiring users to pay for upgrades?

That's the only step left that I can see them taking in an effort to make even more money. There's nothing like locking people into your software by giving it away and once you have them refusing to release fixes and forcing them into upgrades for a fee.

Once that's done Invision Power Board's adoption of Microsoft's business model will be complete. Think that's funny? I've been in this industry long enough to see almost everyone do it. IPB has not invented anything new at all - they just copied the way Microsoft started and modeled their entire company on that procedure.

I wonder if they are going to censor this post? Do you think it might be hitting too close to the mark or have you guys all been asleep at the switch and not noticed what's been happening over the last year or so?

Microsoft got market share by very nearly giving away their operating system. They gave it away so cheap that no-one could compete and then it became the defacto installed operating system. Sound familiar?

After that Microsoft got 'modualized'. The Office programs started showing up. Sound familiar? Along the way the prices slowly increased. Once the vast majority of the people in the world were using Microsoft Operating System then the whole process changed. Now we have "End of Life Products". As such we get forced into paying for upgrades.

Just wait and see - there's really very little left for Invision Power Board to do to become a complete Microsoft clone. My only hope is that they adopted this model before they had the necessary market share to support it. If that proves to be the case then the whole thing will backfire and they will never keep the market share they require to support their model.

Microsoft themselves waited quite a while before fully adopting this approach. For good reason. I hope IPB misjudged it and that their 'new' business model (Microsoft's) will fail.

Oh, there is one more thing that Matt can do to become an exact clone. He can add date bomb code to the installed boards so that they stop working when their license has expired. That way you can be sure you have a recurring revenue stream - just like Microsoft!"

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Old 09-30-2004, 03:12 AM
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I can tell you this i've been in the process of getting some coders for a custom bulletin board for my website. I just may distribute it free of charge and work up to a verison people will like.

If I can't gather the coders i'll probably buy VBulletin when I have the money as I do not support liars.

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Old 09-30-2004, 03:13 AM
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Sure enough - within 5 minutes of posting that they deleted it. I suspect that they will have people watching 24x7 for the next while to remove any posts from people who disagree with them.

What I really find funny is how they deleted all posts in the forums. This way there is no record of Matt and co ever saying that IPB is always going to be free.

How kind of them. Isn't this the kind of thing that usually causes class action lawsuits?

How long do you think it will be before Matt contacts Google and asks them to remove all records of it from their cache?

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Old 09-30-2004, 03:22 AM
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Well of course they're going to delete it, it trashes their own forum.

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Old 09-30-2004, 03:59 AM
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Matt has read my Private Message.... no reply or a reply within this thread. I went ahead and used the message tracker to know for sure.

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