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Old 10-18-2010, 07:45 PM
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VPSLatch.net Review (after 4 days)


Long time listener, first time caller... er... something like that.

I've been using a VPS for the last 6 years at LiquidWeb, and have been very happy with it, but now the main account that needed that level of VPS is out of business, so I went looking for a cheaper host. Following all of the reviews here on WHT, I decided to try out VPSLatch. They offer about the same entry level configuration (actually slightly better than LiquidWeb), but at less than half the price. $18.75 vs $50 with the current special. I'd love to go even cheaper, but budget VPSs below that price seem to be a little too budget, if you know what I mean. I'd love to just go to an even cheaper reseller account, but I need to be able to manage versions of software services such as PHP, and install new software like Ruby on Rails mod_rails. And even though I'm quite capable of doing most VPS management myself, I really like having a fully managed account to handle things when they get too complicated, or it's just too late at night and I just don't want to deal with it.

Anyway, onto the review.

Initial setup went very smoothly. Setup was (nearly) instantaneous, including cPanel installation. Took less than 24 hours for the cPanel license to activate, but it was fully functional right away anyway. I started transferring some of my lighter weight accounts using WHM's built-in transfers, so that all went very smoothly.

I started doing some informal tests of performance. Everything seemed fine. Nothing scientific, just hitting the site, etc. I was happy to see that WHM reported 8 cores available, and each one was a bit faster than the 2 cores I had access to on my LiquidWeb account. But I really wanted to make sure the IMAP access was fast. Previous hosts I've tried were really slow with IMAP, so I wanted to make sure that wasn't going to be a problem. It wasn't (at least not at first, more on that later). BTW, I opted to use DoveCot instead of Courier because it's supposed to have a better IMAP implementation. I can't really tell a speed difference, but I'm happy that the stupid 'mailboxlist' and 'mlbxlsttmp' folders are gone. Otherwise it was a pretty standard setup.

After a few hours of setup and playing around, I asked support to harden the system. They installed a bunch of software, some of which I still don't know what it does. Some seems to be better than what I had used to harden my last VPS, so that was good to see. And btw, it seemed much more involved than the hardening that LiquidWeb did since I had to add a lot of my own tweaks last time. But then again that was 6 years so maybe things have just evolved. Unfortunately the hardening resulted in a ton of warning messages now flooding my email. I submitted a few tickets to tweak a few things, but ended up having to edit some settings myself to do some things that support claimed weren't possible. (e.g. blocking ssh login messages for my IP address, but not others.) So not perfect support, but pretty good, and frankly, better than I expected.

Then I started digging around for the right way to transfer the rest of the hosts with no downtime, loss of emails, or need for watching multiple email accounts to catch straggler emails. I might be able to handle that personally, but I can't have my naive email users go through that hassle. Turns out there's a lot of crap advice out there, including on WHT. Who knew? But that's another post... (OK, as an aside, my current plan is to set up the old server as a backup mail server to catch any stragglers and forward them to the new server. To minimize the downtime, I've set all the old server's DNS entries to have really short 900 second TTL entries.) To be fair, I never asked VPSLatch support for help on this since I assumed they were just going to do the WHM transfer thing and not really solve the email problem. I suppose I should ask just in case they do know the "right" way.

So then I struggled for a while setting up Ruby on Rails version 3 using Phusion Passenger (mod_rails), which is also outside the scope of this review since it didn't involve their support or anything. But it is an important factor for me going with a new host in the first place, and I'm glad to say I did eventually get it working on the new server.

So far so good. Everything looked great, so I started moving over some more of my accounts, leaving the most critical ones for last.

Then around midnight last night, my phone starts chirping with text messages that a service failed (and was automatically restarted by cPanel). I'm used to getting the occasional alert like this, so wasn't too worried. But then the alerts kept coming and restarting the services wasn't working. Since it was after midnight, I tried to forward the alerts to VPSLatch support so they could deal with it, but low and behold, email seemed to be down too. So now I had to get out of bed and figure out what the heck was going on.

Turns out, many services were dead for about 20 minutes. I thought maybe a nightly cPanel update had broken things, but I couldn't see any reason for the failures other than a high server load and there wasn't much traffic to any of the sites I had moved over yet. So I asked support if another VPS on the server was causing the problems. They said yes, and they've already suspended that account and started moving it to another server to monitor it. I don't know if they would have independently noticed this problem, or if it was because of my reports, but either way, I can't really ask for much more than that. Assuming, of course, that this actually solves the problem.

Then a couple hours ago, I noticed my email accounts on the new server were offline. I hadn't seen my mail client (Mac's Mail App) mark an account as offline in a long time; I almost forgot what it meant. Anyway, telling it to go online seemed to reconnect fine. Then a few minutes later, moving files between folders in IMAP failed after timeout. A look at WHM on the server shows the load at almost 5 and everything is pretty sluggish, yet again, none of my processes or sites seemed to be responsible. So much for thinking the problems are over.

So that's where I am today. I don't know if I'm just one of the unlucky ones with a bad server or if my expectations are just too high and this is the level of service I should expect from a sub-$20 VPS. I sure hope not. But at this point, I'm hesitant to move over the final sites to the new server until VPSLatch support gives me a good answer. They've only been looking into it for the last 30 minutes, so I'll give them some more time.

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Old 10-18-2010, 07:59 PM
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Hey there,

Please be noted that the issue you're facing is with cPanel "automagically restarted" alerts - that's default and normal with every cPanel server, and if you would like to disable those alerts please contact support. That usually happens after an update in those processes or after a restart of your VPS.

SnapyMP, we would like to schedule a phone conversation with you so we can explain all of this to you and how cPanel works. It's a bit too quick judge after your 4 day experience, but I must say that you have written quite an impressive and detailed review! Please let us know the best time that we can give you a phone call. Thanks!

You can also email me directly with your concerns at adam.j@vpslatch.net - I promise to get them addressed.

Thanks,
Adam

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Old 10-18-2010, 08:19 PM
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Any idea what service was failing? If I had to guess it was spamd which most server malicious software detection scripts tend to kill when they run their scan. Just uncheck the monitoring in cpanel and you shouldn't get anymore alerts. Since you are just using it for a backup server Spamd is useless anyway.

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Old 10-18-2010, 08:21 PM
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Any idea what service was failing? If I had to guess it was spamd which most server malicious software detection scripts tend to kill when they run their scan. Just uncheck the monitoring in cpanel and you shouldn't get anymore alerts. Since you are just using it for a backup server Spamd is useless anyway.
Or just disable that in "Tweak Settings" in WHM.

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Old 10-18-2010, 08:46 PM
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Frankly Adam, I'm surprised at your response. With all due respect, I've been using cPanel for years and I wouldn't consider 13 failure alerts within 18 minutes to be considered "normal".

And your own staff told me you had problems with another VPS on the server and that the other account was being removed because of it.

BTW, I checked the uptime, and the server was NOT rebooted anywhere near that time and the cPanel update happened a couple hours later, although for all I know, it started earlier and took 2 hours to complete...

@FreeTheNoob, one of the processes was spamd, but mysql was my main concern. It was restarted 9 times in 18 minutes, and then twice more an hour later. And MySQL's kind of an important service. And the server is NOT a backup server. It's intended to be my main server and I was only setting up the old server as "backup" to minimize email downtime. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes of course I could stop the alerts, but that doesn't stop the problem, just my awareness of it. And in my opinion, this was a genuine problem that deserved being reported.

In the previous years hosting with LiquidWeb, I very rarely received these alerts and never more than a couple at a time, unless there was an actual problem behind it.

But don't worry Adam, I've heard good things about your company, so I'm not giving up. I just wanted to make sure to post my review here while it's on my mind and so readers had perhaps a more balanced set of reviews.

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Old 10-19-2010, 01:26 AM
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review after 4 days a bit too early ....

and if you have an issue with the provider you must contact them first instead of just posting it onto the communities.... (This is ll generate more friendly and quick response to your issue)

I have been with VPS Latch for a month or so but did not face any thing yet everything is going very smoothly .....

I am sure if you ll open a ticket regarding this cpanel issue they ll solve this on priority.

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Old 10-19-2010, 01:43 AM
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I have had a VPS with VPSLatch for 5 months now and I could not be happier. In your situation it seems it could have been resolved if you tried a little harder to get this resolved, there was obviously someone abusing on the node and you can't blame them entirely for this. All I'm saying is next time, don't be so quick to judge, at least wait a month or more so you can get a better overview of the company.

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Old 10-19-2010, 02:03 AM
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if you have an issue with the provider you must contact them first instead of just posting it onto the communities....
I noticed the OP said he posted several tickets to get it set up how he wanted, but was told by support that it was impossible.

If the host is offering fully managed service, the client shouldn't have to jump in and help them out.

This looks like a learning opportunity for Latch and a pretty good review for Liquid, prices being what they are.

The review was not scathingly negative, just some statements of facts so the host will take notice. Much appreciated.

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Old 10-19-2010, 02:44 AM
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well i agree but what my point was if I am new to this hosting business i ll never consider a 4 days review of yours about a host to get started with...

I mean in four days you can never get your self on a point where you can decide that "yes this host is good or bad"....

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that support claimed weren't possible. (e.g. blocking ssh login messages for my IP address, but not others.
and frankly
blocking login messages for root from specific IP is possible?
I ll be happy too if it can be done

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Old 10-19-2010, 02:57 AM
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You guys are really funny. Never consider a 4 day review, hell yeah but from a poster who writes like 4 lines with words like "cool, awesome, nice, fail, scam, cheat". Heck I wouldn't even consider a 4 line review from a customer whose been with a host for 1 year.

Look at the 1st post: does it sound like a kid/novice to you. Does it sound like the guy has no idea what he's doing? I think its a good 'initial impressions' and hopefully all will be well... and a big thanks for taking the time to write more than 2 paragraphs.

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Old 10-19-2010, 03:06 AM
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i did appreciate he wrote an essay on VPS Latch
but don't you think it would have been more effective if he would have written all these lines after a month or two?

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Old 10-19-2010, 03:09 AM
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Hey there,

Yes, the OP did take the time to write a detailed review and give his impressions which is very much appreciated.

Most of the OP's issues are completely out of our hands that we're able to control, such as specifically blocking SSH login e-mails from his IP address.

However, I have spoken with the OP via e-mail and tickets and we will be giving him a phone call tomorrow afternoon to hopefully clear things up between us.

Thanks for the continued support,
Adam

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Old 10-19-2010, 04:18 AM
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@ fakher: No I don't feel that it would've been more effective. Details are important, and besides most reviews are 4 lines, which is useless.

can someone lock this thread before it gets

I've noticed a trend that vpslatch threads go like 2-3 pages...I think its all the love Adam gets.

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Old 10-19-2010, 05:27 AM
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ok thats what you think
gud for you

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Old 10-19-2010, 01:40 PM
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That was a pretty long review. I don't think I have ever seen such a detailed initial review. And from the other side Adam is willing to take the things positively and willing to solve the issues through what all ways he can. And the OP himself seems to be an understanding person. They are not blaming each other blindly; that is what I think positive about this thread.

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