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[Nightflames]

The thread is locked because it no longer addresses the issue raised (refer Dusters comment). To all who believe this forum is a venue for the comments that it became, think again. You are damaging your own reputations and ruining a valuable resource for those seeking information not personal vendettas. One editorial comment though:- while I have no intention of entering the "Davey" debate his initial reply was, if looked at in isolation (as the initial poster may have), not off topic nor touting his business. What followed does discredit to all who joined in.

[Duster]

Originally posted by Nightflames:
The thread is locked because it no longer addresses the issue raised (refer Dusters comment). To all who believe this forum is a venue for the comments that it became, think again. You are damaging your own reputations and ruining a valuable resource for those seeking information not personal vendettas. One editorial comment though:- while I have no intention of entering the "Davey" debate his initial reply was, if looked at in isolation (as the initial poster may have), not off topic nor touting his business. What followed does discredit to all who joined in.

I beg to differ. My comments about search engines and RBL addressed issues made by Greg relative to IP nor not. While I agree about the other remarks being a discredit to the people who made them (some have said they will desist from now on), I must disagree with using my remarks as an example of being off topic. I did not respond further about search engines as then it would most definitely be on a different topic altogether, but the remarkls I made were to the point at hand.

[Nightflames]

Duster, read in context as you so often encougage others to do.. you would see that your comment was that the posts remain relevent. I agreed with you and when it became toally off topic AFTER your comments I locked it. There is for anyone reading it all no hint that yours was the off topic, rather that yours was the point they needed to grasp.

[Duster]

I see what you mean now. You were alluding to my earlier comments while I thought you were referring to my later ones. There were some relevant remarks at the end, though with interspersal of some unrelated remarks relative to a vendetta.

Rather than close threads and "punish" those who are discussing the topic, perhaps you could delete posts of those who choose to be vitriolic and attack each other, espoecially if it is not at all germane to the issue. Certainly, many of us are weary of any discussion of TH outside of threads specifically about it, though we are also weary of new threads on the issue. When a point has been made, it is time come to an end.

[Nightflames]

Duster, to delete comments from within the thread, once replies are posted, would make those replying to the comments look even more engaged in a vendetta. Deleting theirs too will draw criticisim (?)over freedom to express opinions that they hold valid.
Unfortunately once that type of rhetoric and vitriol starts logic and fairness seems to be the first casualties. I'm open to suggestions but I know in reading the thread the "first" attack or out of place comment wasn't davey's. Imagine the outcry if I had deleted the first one that attacked davey without (in the context of the thread) cause.

Originally posted by Nightflames:
Duster, to delete comments from within the thread, once replies are posted, would make those replying to the comments look even more engaged in a vendetta. Deleting theirs too will draw criticisim (?)over freedom to express opinions that they hold valid.
Unfortunately once that type of rhetoric and vitriol starts logic and fairness seems to be the first casualties. I'm open to suggestions but I know in reading the thread the "first" attack or out of place comment wasn't davey's. Imagine the outcry if I had deleted the first one that attacked davey without (in the context of the thread) cause.

Why not handle this the easy way? Davey has used profane language in one of the posts, and has basically libeled Annette to no end? Why not block his IP block and stop the bickering on here, permenantly?

If I seem radical, it's because I am. I strongly disagree with Davey's business practices, I hate his professionalism (or lack thereof), and I can find no redeeming qualities of him.

In short, get rid of him, please!

[Nightflames]

shakes my head and ignores another attempt to turn a thread into what its not...

Originally posted by Nightflames:
shakes my head and ignores another attempt to turn a thread into what its not...

I'm serious, the best way to shut people up about TH and Davey is to get rid of Davey. Even when Davey is on topic, he's rather rude and degrading, and I, for one, am sick of it.

[Nightflames]

whatever... try reading (comprehending) the posts instead of just cut n pasting. The anti davey fan club is as guilty of hijacking and making a mockery of threads as davey is (at least lately). I do have one question for you tho unregistered vigilanti, does your solution to the problem include banning you and all the others who initiate these things or respond where not personally involved/willing to give details of personal situations (ie UNregistered)?
Want my solution to dealing with those hell bent on creating trouble where none need exist? Then watch the silence that deafens in response to your next post.

Originally posted by Nightflames:
whatever... try reading (comprehending) the posts instead of just cut n pasting. The anti davey fan club is as guilty of hijacking and making a mockery of threads as davey is (at least lately). I do have one question for you tho unregistered vigilanti, does your solution to the problem include banning you and all the others who initiate these things or respond where not personally involved/willing to give details of personal situations (ie UNregistered)?
Want my solution to dealing with those hell bent on creating trouble where none need exist? Then watch the silence that deafens in response to your next post.

It's rare when I do speak in here, or anywhere for that matter. I speak for myself only, and my sole purpose on here is to watch as Davey self-destructs.

However, what brought me to complain of Davey was not his lack of professionalism, I could stand that. It also was not his childish methods of self-defense of his "business" practices that drove me to complain here either, I could even deal with that. When he used a certain four letter word, and I won't say it, I found that I could not stand to be forced to read that sort of language in a public forum. There are children in here, at times, I'm sure. In fact, I'm one of them. I'm only 14 myself. Disable my write-access if you wish, I'll still laugh my tail off when he finally crashes and burns, for good.

[Duster]

I have forums on my own site and only once or twice a year is any message removed, and it's someone who refuses to abide by our FAQ, which calls for respect. I certainly don't like stifling conversations.

However, when some people engage in name calling, it is not appropriate. In face to face situations, such people would be asked to hush up or be shown the door. bad manners do not become acceptable simply because they are on a discussion board instead of face to face.

I'll tell you what works for my forums, which are very active and known to be the nicest o the subjectm with the greatest community feeling. Many of us have me also.

It starts with a good FAQ where you set the ground rules. You insist on respect and that any disagreements should stick to the facts. Nobody's freedom of expression is stifled by insisting they display good manners.

That has worked exceedingly well for us. We have no flaming, even during the most heated debates, and it tends to bring out the best in people. Registration is optional and it has not been necessary to require it to post because our atmosphere of respect is the greatest deterrent to uncivilized behavior.

Every once in a great while, someone comes over from another board on the subject, one where anything goes, and tries similar disruption. It doesn't work. You can't light a fire in an atmosphere that won't sustain it.

I am against suppressing ideas and stifling conversation. However, insults are not ideas (and some are physically impossible) and are not welcome if they disrupt the diuscussion at hand.

Under those conditions, I think many people would not object to their removal. If you don't tolerate it, you'll find it disappearing on its own.