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07-07-2010, 11:00 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Multiple full routes equipment suggestion?
I'm in search for this for a customer project, but the options and modules are so numerous from each manufacturer that it gets a bit crazy to specify anything. So, anyone could give suggestions of Layer 3 switches or Routers (any brand, or all brands possible, so we can make an useful list here in this topic) that can support multiple full routes for 3+ peers (transit and peering), now that the number of routes in the global BGP table has limited severely some models?
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07-07-2010, 11:05 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Juniper M-series would work, as would the J-series.
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07-07-2010, 11:20 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Yes, but what models and with which modules/linecards?
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07-08-2010, 12:39 AM #4Managed Service Provider
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6500/S720-3bxl
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07-08-2010, 01:59 AM #5THE Web Hosting Master
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Doing or planning to do IPv6 as well?
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07-08-2010, 02:12 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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07-08-2010, 02:29 AM #7Managed Service Provider
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07-08-2010, 08:31 AM #8Randy
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07-08-2010, 09:20 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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The Juniper stuff is great, but it's not the best of you need a large port count. They do have modular (PIM) cards, but they don't have many interfaces. They work great for routing/aggregation/etc but not the best for customer facing use. The PIM cards are also very expensive.
Although, I love JunOS. Most network admins would agree its much better to work with than IOS.-=SKULLBOX.NET=-
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07-08-2010, 10:57 AM #10THE Web Hosting Master
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07-08-2010, 11:06 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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I got a 6509 here, but there are two worries on that:
1. I was insisted by more than one network engineer friend that it is highly sensitive to DoS attacks and normally sits down when the pps raises to some limit. They insisted I got a Juniper or other thing except Cisco or Foundry.
2. The SUP720 and the 10GE modules for 6500 series are quite expensive even in the gray market.
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07-08-2010, 11:40 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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I got my 6509-e/S720-3BXL for just $13K.
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07-08-2010, 11:44 AM #13THE Web Hosting Master
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1. Yes, everything has a limit. If properly configured I doubt you'll ever hit that limit. We use 6500's throughout our network now and have gotten 10+ Gbit/sec DDoS's that haven't affected anything.
2. If you think they're expensive for the 6500 you don't even want to consider looking at a Juniper... The Juniper will certainly be more expensive, especially if you're looking at 10 GigE.
Now, I love Juniper gear, JunOS is great, and if they were cheaper I'd have a boatload of them. Right now, we're actually looking into a re-engineering of our network to get some Junipers back in the core.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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07-08-2010, 01:50 PM #14Master of the Truth
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07-08-2010, 01:52 PM #15Master of the Truth
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07-08-2010, 02:20 PM #16Randy
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Has the price of the 3bxl's on the grey market gone up recently?
I recall paying around $6k - $7k each a couple years back, now they seem to be 10k and upwards.Fast Serv Networks, LLC | AS29889 | DDOS Protected | Managed Cloud, Streaming, Dedicated Servers, Colo by-the-U
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07-08-2010, 02:30 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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The prices are constantly fluctuating on 3BXL's. It used to be $10K then they came down to around 6K, now they are around $8k-$9K.
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07-08-2010, 02:40 PM #18Managed Service Provider
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07-08-2010, 02:47 PM #19Aspiring Evangelist
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07-08-2010, 02:49 PM #20Aspiring Evangelist
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If you don't require 10 GE at this time, then the M-series are quiet reasonably priced and are fantastic. You can use the SFP modules, or even the older SX-Bs that are significantly cheaper and use a switch to do any media conversion or VLAN trunking.
Look at the M7i or M10i. Just keep in mind Juniper re-certification is possible, but very costly. If you can live with grey market, then you can get good deals.█ iCall Carrier Services - Carrier-grade VoIP services from a licensed CLEC - http://carriers.icall.com
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I agree with that, just be careful when using generic/non-juniper SFPs. I got burned by using one because the Junipers ones were over twice the price and I figured any one would work.
The M-series is solid. I've used them as core devices in several networks and never had a problem. Like everyone said, the PIM cards are expensive though...-=SKULLBOX.NET=-
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07-09-2010, 09:43 AM #22Aspiring Evangelist
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I don't remember who makes Junipers SFPs, but I've never had an issue with third-party ones (usually Finisar optics I think). Just get one that has the EEPROM burned with Juniper info.
Also, PIMs are for J-series. M-series uses PE modules. They are certainly more expensive than comparable modules for a 6500 series for example - but it's not really an apples to apples comparison. A very simple and cost effective solution is to get a couple of GE interfaces like a PE-1GE-SX-B, which is around $1K, and use VLAN tagging into a switch to run multiple links. As you grow, you can move to SFP modules or whatever else you want directly into the router.█ iCall Carrier Services - Carrier-grade VoIP services from a licensed CLEC - http://carriers.icall.com
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i would suggest XMR8000 series from Brocade/Foundry Networks...
good quality vs cost ratio..
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07-09-2010, 03:03 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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