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LiteSpeed Vs Apache Showdown


It's my opinion that there are few recent, independent benchmarks comparing the performance of LiteSpeed and Apache on modern hardware. For that reason, I've challenged LiteSpeed to compare their product side-by-side with Apache on an 8 core intel Xeon 5520 system. More details on that available in this thread:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...=918104&page=3

But I need the help of the WHT community to decide how best to optimize apache. LiteSpeed will certainly know the in's and out's of their product well enough to portray it in the best possible light. I am by no means the world's foremost Apache expert, so I'm asking those of you who are familiar with it on a low-level, or have contributed to the project -- or are just veteran sysadmins -- to contribute your expertise and help me figure out how to give LiteSpeed a run for its money

Also open for debate is what benchmarking software should be used. ab is one option that's been brought up, but I'd like to do it with at least two different tools.

The results of the tests will be posted back in this thread.

I'm a proponent of open source software, but I have nothing against LiteSpeed -- I'll be very impressed if it really does beat apache hands down like they say it does. May the best webserver win!

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I'll state that Apache will sadly lose based on our own internal tests but we're probably not the definition of Apache *experts*.

We tested with mod_fcgid / PHP 5 / Worker vs LiteSpeed's LSAPI PHP5 FCGI implementation.

LiteSpeed was faster not by leaps and bounds but was faster. The issue we had was we simply ran Apache out of resources and it croaked =/

We had much better results when testing LiteSpeed vs nginx - whereas nginx rocked yet still didn't fully beat out LiteSpeed when it come to dynamic content.

I'll definitely follow this thread, I'm curious to see what you guys come up with.

I would make sure to make the test valid, be sure to use Apache 2.2 | MPM | PHP 5.3.1

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when test litespeed vs lighttpd?

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when test litespeed vs lighttpd?
Well let's have this one step at a time.

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Hello,

I could help you by optimizing lighttpd. Drop me a PM when you decide to compare lighttpd with some other web-server.

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Hello,

I could help you by optimizing lighttpd. Drop me a PM when you decide to compare lighttpd with some other web-server.

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If you're willing to configure it then I don't see what harm could come of testing out lighttpd as well. Or nginx for that matter. But I'm not going to commit myself to doing that much work -- so if you want to see it tested, you have to do the configuration.

But I'm primarily interested in seeing how apache does -- come on people, let's hear your arcane and effective optimization strategies.

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If you're willing to configure it then I don't see what harm could come of testing out lighttpd as well. Or nginx for that matter. But I'm not going to commit myself to doing that much work -- so if you want to see it tested, you have to do the configuration.

But I'm primarily interested in seeing how apache does -- come on people, let's hear your arcane and effective optimization strategies.
Hey,

I will do it if you could provide a testing server for that purpose. I was using the LSWS web-server 2 years ago and then I switched to Lighttpd and I'm pretty sure I would get better results with Lighttpd than mistwang with LiteSpeed.

It has to be tested on the same configuration/setup as LiteSpeed and only web-server has to be optimized.

It would be great if someone could come up with Apache or nginx setup/optimization, I would like to see the newest results and I believe everyone else on the scene would like this.

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I will do it if you could provide a testing server for that purpose. I was using the LSWS web-server 2 years ago and then I switched to Lighttpd and I'm pretty sure I would get better results with Lighttpd than mistwang with LiteSpeed.
I will certainly take that challenge as well.
Anyone would like to do it for nginx? Let's show down!

I prediction will be LiteSpeed >> Nginx >> Lighttpd >> Apache, it is based on our past experience with those products.

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This is interesting, though I'm curious if anyone has a site/server busy enough for testing. Even then it would piss of a lot of site visitors when the site goes down for swapping webservers except the case of apache -> litespeed.
Perhaps get a host that is willing to swap their heavily optimized apache + worker on a busy server with litespeed then compare the resource difference?


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Also open for debate is what benchmarking software should be used. ab is one option that's been brought up, but I'd like to do it with at least two different tools.
Following benchmarking tools are in my mind,

1. ab
2. httperf
3. Siege
4. curl-loader
5. http_load

I have experience with ab and httperf, both are single process, single thread, event driven, the performance is good, but I have to run multiple instances and add-up the results to benchmark more than one lshttpd process. in certain situation, one lshttpd process will outperform one "ab" or "httperf" process. Those tools are similar, the result is similar, so only need use one. "ab" is slightly easier to use. so, my vote is on "ab".

I have no experience with other tools listed, but I have been interested in "Seige" for long time, this tool can be used to simulate real world load by providing a file containing a list of URL (access log file?). Not sure about its performance and whether it is multi-threaded or not. This one is the second one I would like to use.

"curl-loader" is like "seige" which can be used to simulate real-world traffic from description on their web site, no experience, may not perform well if it uses libcurl.

"http_load" is similar to "ab".

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This is interesting, though I'm curious if anyone has a site/server busy enough for testing. Even then it would piss of a lot of site visitors when the site goes down for swapping webservers except the case of apache -> litespeed.
Perhaps get a host that is willing to swap their heavily optimized apache + worker on a busy server with litespeed then compare the resource difference?
e-Sensibility will offer a dual xeon 5520 server for this LiteSpeed vs Apache showdown as mentioned in another thread.

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I'm by no means an expert in optimizing Apache either, but I have a requests: please test Apache with both mpm_worker and mpm_event.

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Mistwang and ScenSRV -- PM me with the details of when you'll be able to setup your litespeed and lighttpd respectively. We've got to get this show on the road . . . won't have this machine sitting around forever

As for the benchmarking tool, ab and siege sound find to me.

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Also, I think that all of the configs should be posted in the end so people can draw their own conclusions about the results that are obtained -- so keep track of everything that you change.

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I will have our staff member to setup LiteSpeed, I will do some fine tuning if need. just PM me the root login.

Also, we should define what we would like to test. Small static file? larger static file? Hello world PHP script?

How about a real-world WordPress or vBulletin with simulated real-world load using "seige"?

And it would be great if we as well as a third party member can cross verify the test results.

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