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    Looking for content delivery network

    Hi,

    My website is pulling 5 TB of bandwidth per month and the traffic is growing at 120-200% every month. Since my server can't handle that anymore, I'm considering using a CDN for static files.

    Most of my visitors are from US and the rest are from Europe. I was considering a US (simpleCDN) or US-Europe (highwinds) based networks. Can you suggest a network or a reseller I should check?

    The best price I could find for US&Europe based CDN was a highwinds reseller (vps.net) at 5c per GB ($50/TB). Is it possible to find something similar for a better price?

    Thank you
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    if you care about the price then go with vps.net ,
    you don't have to worry about storage because as far as i know they only charge for data transfer ,

    vps.net price very good to me and i don't see any one have that price for CDN
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    SimpleCDN has decent pricing and well within your price point. Take a look at http://www.simplecdn.com/pricing - $0.039 per GB for data transfer is the starting point and $0.75/GB for storage.
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    Is simpleCDN a trustworthy company?
    I've placed a support ticket 7 days ago but no response yet.
    Another thing is that you can't delete/rename buckets,CNAMES. Is like you never take a bath, change your clothes or clean your house
    Prices and facilities are great, but I don't know if to trust them or not.
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    Check out cachefly. We've been using them for a long time now and never had an incident.

    They don't have any minimums, other programs may have monthly minimums.
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    cachefly is very expensive ($0.25/GB) and I'm not sure if they have a pay as you go payment model. Since my website is very bandwidth hungry, this price would simply bankrupt me.

    I went with vps.net CDN (highwinds) - $0.05/GB, pay as you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whosyourdaddy View Post
    I've placed a support ticket 7 days ago but no response yet.
    Check your spam folder, it may have ended up there. For some reason gmail flags simpleCDN support emails as spam.
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    NuPagady, how much bandwidth do you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woods01 View Post
    NuPagady, how much bandwidth do you use?
    5 TB last month, expecting 7-10 TB this month. Even $0.05/GB is quite expensive for me, but it's better than losing sleep when your server/internet line can't handle a sudden burst of traffic.
    Last edited by NuPagady; 11-08-2009 at 06:32 PM.
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    Definitely cachefly would of been a more expensive route unless you contacted them to negotiate a better rate.

    Hopefully things work out for you. If they don't at least you know a few companies.

    We tried to utilize SimpleCDN when they launched and were in their infant stages and you couldn't get ahold of anyone over there. When you did you usually got canned (it's gonna get better answers).

    Good luck
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    My experience with Highwinds has been terrible. Their CDN, in its current form, is NOT designed to by used with small files (instead, think larger media files as the target audience).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonaward View Post
    My experience with Highwinds has been terrible. Their CDN, in its current form, is NOT designed to by used with small files (instead, think larger media files as the target audience).
    Can you tell me more about this? What happens when you host small files in their network?
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    First, the performance in general, is pretty poor compared to other major CDNs.Secondly, they set third-party cookies to help deterine if the content should be downloaded again (for each hit to a file), and which edge server to pull from. The problem is that third-party cookies aren't accepted by default in most current browsers without changing browser settings. The end result is that the files are ALWAYS downloaded to the browser, instead of being cached by the browser, which will quickly consume a lot more bandwidth than you might expect, and slow your page loading tremendously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonaward View Post
    First, the performance in general, is pretty poor compared to other major CDNs.Secondly, they set third-party cookies to help deterine if the content should be downloaded again (for each hit to a file), and which edge server to pull from. The problem is that third-party cookies aren't accepted by default in most current browsers without changing browser settings. The end result is that the files are ALWAYS downloaded to the browser, instead of being cached by the browser, which will quickly consume a lot more bandwidth than you might expect, and slow your page loading tremendously.
    Now that sounds horrible. Is there a way to set a cache-expire header?

    I haven't got a chance to test them yet and I've paid for the service already. I'm a little bit worried now.
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    I would look at the major CDNs, yes they are more money, but you get what you pay for. With the bigger CDNs you will get better performance (latency and speed), caching, request routing, features and more.
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    Highwinds is a major CDN.
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    5TB is about 15 Mb/s on average. It is not that much bandwidth actually. A single server with RAID (assuming multiple drives) will push 200 Mb/s easily - almost 15 times more than you do now.

    I would recommend to go just with a hosting company with a good network. If you'll commit to 50 - 100 Mb/s you may get a good pricing. With 100 Mb/s and more you definitely will be able to get less than 5 cents per GB.
    Just for your calculations - 1 Mb/s is about 324GB
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    are there any unmetered bandwidth CDN providers out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulix View Post
    5TB is about 15 Mb/s on average. It is not that much bandwidth actually. A single server with RAID (assuming multiple drives) will push 200 Mb/s easily - almost 15 times more than you do now.

    I would recommend to go just with a hosting company with a good network. If you'll commit to 50 - 100 Mb/s you may get a good pricing. With 100 Mb/s and more you definitely will be able to get less than 5 cents per GB.
    Just for your calculations - 1 Mb/s is about 324GB
    My biggest concern is occasional viral effect. I can handle up to 100 mbit/s of traffic just fine, but I've maxed out 100 mbit/s line a few times and that made the site slow or even unusable. One day it was under very heavy traffic, I've ordered 3 additional servers (100 mbit/s each) as a temporary load balancing solution, but 400 mbit/s of combined bandwidth wasn't enough. I just don't want to lose any more sleep over this

    I was thinking if I should get one of these 1 gbit/s servers with 10 TB of bandwidth. The idea of CDN seemed a little bit more convenient. I just can't find a CDN which would just work and won't bankrupt me.

    SimpleCDN doesn't seem to care about support tickets. Highwinds is something I'm about to test now, but if they perform as poor jasonaward wrote, I just can't use it for my site.

    Any other options? I've spent almost a week doing a research and haven't made any real progress yet...
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    What's your budget on this?

    So basically you are looking for a dedicated server in the US location that you can burst 10TB on a 1gbps port?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eSited View Post
    So basically you are looking for a dedicated server in the US location that you can burst 10TB on a 1gbps port?
    OP is looking for a Content Delivery Network aka CDN.
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    I think you'd probably be better off with another server, perhaps in Europe. CDN even at 0.05/GB transferred is very expensive compared to one or two dedicated servers that can supply the demand without accruing massive overages on 95%.

    The scalability of CDN is obvious and no maintenance, however, unless you're losing money because of a poor end user experience, it'd be hard to justify the delta in cost.
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    Well you can get 10TB for $98 if you go down the route of getting your own server for static files:
    http://www.10tb.com/cloud-servers/
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    Check Edgecast.com we've used them for about 4 months now and been very happy and we push around 1.2 GB/s through their network.
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    Try Peer1, their CDN network is US, CA, and EU. We've been very satisfied with them and they're very willing to negotiate.
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    Thanks guys! I've sent emails to aiso, edgecast and peer1.

    Quote Originally Posted by C|Smith View Post
    I think you'd probably be better off with another server, perhaps in Europe. CDN even at 0.05/GB transferred is very expensive compared to one or two dedicated servers that can supply the demand without accruing massive overages on 95%.

    The scalability of CDN is obvious and no maintenance, however, unless you're losing money because of a poor end user experience, it'd be hard to justify the delta in cost.
    That's a very good point. I'm actually losing sleep thinking about this over and over again. CDN or multiple server setup? US or Europe? Arrr, so many options...

    I've posted a thread on our website asking how well the website loads for visitors. It's currently hosted in Amsterdam. To my surprise, people from America reporded, quote "a bit faster than other sites", "Loads perfectly fine", "loads pretty fast".

    I've still haven't heard anything from Aussie folks. Maybe with 300-400 ms ping to Australia, we don't have any loyal visitors from there? Or I'm I just being paranoid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NuPagady View Post
    Thanks guys! I've sent emails to aiso, edgecast and peer1.



    That's a very good point. I'm actually losing sleep thinking about this over and over again. CDN or multiple server setup? US or Europe? Arrr, so many options...

    I've posted a thread on our website asking how well the website loads for visitors. It's currently hosted in Amsterdam. To my surprise, people from America reporded, quote "a bit faster than other sites", "Loads perfectly fine", "loads pretty fast".

    I've still haven't heard anything from Aussie folks. Maybe with 300-400 ms ping to Australia, we don't have any loyal visitors from there? Or I'm I just being paranoid?
    I am not surprised that site is loading fast - until you'll hit the 100% of the port size. Of course you can hear alternative opinions, but I would go with servers, sitting on 1 Gb/s ports, with 200 Mb/s "commit" for each one. They will be OK with 500 Mb/s pushing combined, but when you'll see that much traffic - then you'll add another server. Be careful with "unmetered" packages - network infrastructure is hugely oversold, unless it is been said that packages are dedicated (they still could be oversold). You may want to find a company which is focused on high bandwidth/streaming hosting - then you'll get professionals which will help you out with not only network, but sometimes with infrastructure, server config, etc.
    I've heard that in Europe you can get better prices per Mb/s, but if you have majority of visitors from US - it will add, probably another 100 ms to go over Atlantic.
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