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    Whats everyones option on Unlimited?

    e.g Unlimited diskspace and bandwidth for £15.99+ a month

    Low priced packages get limits however if you pay a premium, i think unlimited is fair.
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    Normally if anyone gives unlimited, most of the users will be using less space. So the average usage will not be really "unlimited"

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    Nothing is unlimited. Its a glib statement but its true. at some point somebody will try and use what is on offer, and at that point it ceases to actually be unlimited therefore it shouldn't be advertised as being so.
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    Are you getting unlimited anything from the DC?

    Make sure you have proper TOS clauses so say Google doesn't try to move over its stuff to your server. Really, unlimited reseller hosting is dangerous stuff.

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    All I can say to unlimited reseller accounts is:

    A. Don't actually expect unlimited.
    B. Make frequent off-site backups.
    C. Don't be surprised if the provider disappears overnight.

    This also applies to many other unlimited shared web hosts. Hostgator and a few others being the exception, not the rule.

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    My opinion is that "unlimited" reseller providers are often unstable and/or unreliable. Even more so if it's low priced.

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    Find out what the cpu allowance is. All hosts, unlimited or not will at some point have a restriction on cpu burden regardless of space and bandwith.
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    There's really no such thing as unlimited disk space, and unlimited bandwidth. If you cost the company 150/mo in bandwidth, and they are only getting 15/mo from you, you wont be there very long. Best suggestion is finding a provider that has packages that will fit your requirements.

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    I would use unlimited hosting for myself maybe, deppending on the site but I would never use it for any of my clients.

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    This whole unlimited thing is silly, we have all spent so much time spiritedly discussing and debating the logistics of a marketing gimmick.

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    in reseller hosting unlimited webspace does not exist.

    how ever in shared hosting it does but make sure you do your maths correctly or else your company will die over night

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    Quote Originally Posted by JixHost View Post
    Find out what the cpu allowance is. All hosts, unlimited or not will at some point have a restriction on cpu burden regardless of space and bandwith.
    Also they limit things like RAM per process and inode (file handle) counts.

    I recommend against unlimited offerings.
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    So many threads on this topic.
    If you want to know definitely what it means.
    Try this, from bluehost,very detailed in their TOS on point 7.HERE
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    Read the TOS, contact the host and get it clear, of what you are paying for. Most of the time unlimited = unmetered. Nothing in unlimited! Only... the space (maybe)

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    Unlimited and Unmetered only refers to FAIR USAGE...

    All companies that oversell have a clause that is totally against the customer.


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    All companies that oversell have a clause that is totally against the customer.
    It's roughly the same clause as everywhere. The difference is in how often they have to use it. You can only get what you're paying for especially CPU/memory wise, so $5 will get you $5 worth of service, more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustaHost-UK View Post
    Unlimited and Unmetered only refers to FAIR USAGE...

    All companies that oversell have a clause that is totally against the customer.
    lol all companies over sell. if they dont over sell a plan with these specs 10 gb hdd/ 25 gb bandwidth will cost all most 25 dollars a month. and then no one will buy your service because for 5 dollars more they can get a vps.

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    I suggest you stay away from hosts who offer unlimited packages, unless you are looking for downtime.

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    One of my clients was kicked off a few "unlimited" before they came to me. There old host said they was useing too much bandwidth, they came to me and we gave them a set amount of bandwidth and they have no problem at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoofHosting View Post
    One of my clients was kicked off a few "unlimited" before they came to me. There old host said they was useing too much bandwidth, they came to me and we gave them a set amount of bandwidth and they have no problem at all.
    how much bandwidth. They dont kick you of for bandwidth usage. usually cpu usage and you cant really regulate cpu usage on the server.

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    I wish they sold dedicated servers as unlimited hard drive space with unlimited mbps ports and unlimited tech support and unlimited cpu gigahertz processor and unlimited ram available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert View Post
    I wish they sold dedicated servers as unlimited hard drive space with unlimited mbps ports and unlimited tech support and unlimited cpu gigahertz processor and unlimited ram available.
    Call it the "god" server. All powerful, and infinite!


    Unlimited is just silly

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert View Post
    unlimited tech support
    Unless you are demanding things out side the scope of support, support is kind of unlimited . Though out side the scope of support can be considered as a limit there also.
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    Steer clear of unlimited. Have you ever heard of a unlimited hard drive for your computer? It's really a marketing technique to get people in. Their TOS will / should outline this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHubNet-Matt View Post
    Unless you are demanding things out side the scope of support, support is kind of unlimited . Though out side the scope of support can be considered as a limit there also.
    Open up a hundred tickets per day. No matter what, the reality is, nothing is unlimited.

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    I got $6 burning a hole in my pocket and you're asking for it, Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db09 View Post
    I got $6 burning a hole in my pocket and you're asking for it, Mike.

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    Sure thing, just open 100 tickets and I'll be happy to send you a data backup and your money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by West-Wire View Post
    Whats everyones option on Unlimited?

    e.g Unlimited diskspace and bandwidth for £15.99+ a month

    Low priced packages get limits however if you pay a premium, i think unlimited is fair.
    IMO, to be fair, the premium price for unlimited should be $unlimited too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTrike View Post
    Call it the "god" server. All powerful, and infinite!
    Unlimited is just silly
    Sun Micorsystems make something that is like this... or close enough anyway. - http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/m9000/specs.xml Or maybe Project BlackBox? - http://www.sun.com/products/sunmd/s2...ifications.jsp

    Being sensible now,

    I guess really it comes down to how each company manages servers with unlimited packages, I also think that the lower the price the more problems you will have, with a price at £25+ per month that is most customers that are likely to cause server issues priced out (read kids that run weird scripts, myself included a few years back! ) and leaves only the designers/developers, who 99% of the time don't cause any issues and mostly know to test things before uploading to live

    With a few, sometimes rather embarassing mistakes, but nothing that ever causes issues for more than a couple of minutes. Monitor your server properly, charge a sensible price and it should be no problem at all having perfect uptime with 'unlimited' packages.

    We do an unlimited reseller package which is priced pretty high compared to others, I guess. Which is, as said by others here, limited on CPU and memory use. Generally unless an issue is developing on a server accounts will be left alone, we do a sweep of all servers every two weeks and check for slowly developing load issues or anything that could become a problem in future and note it to keep an eye on, sometimes suggest to a customer than in the next few weeks / month(s) they might need to upgrade to a VPS or dedicated solution as they are close to out growing shared services.

    Monitoring picks up and alerts us of anything in the mean time. I've not seen any major issues or downtime as a result of the unlimited package being on offer.

    As far as I see it, Unlimited = Okay, so long as the company providing it manage it properly and don't just cut people off when their resource usage goes over 'the limit'.

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    I guess when it all boils down to it, unlimited can technically be used as a proper term. The confusion comes to people who don't understand unlimited and what it's implications are.

    Definitions:
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    In short, if you go with an unlimited plan as a client. Then you later run into problems with your unlimited resource account. It's your fault for not understanding the implications of what unlimited is. Even though it is technically misleading to begin with. But then again, most marketing strategies are misleading and/or not 100% truthful. That's how marketing works, it somehow convinces people that it's something they need even if it's crap.

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    Just thinking about that, I guess if you say 'Unlimited Resources' that is misleading, where as if you say, 'Unlimited Diskspace and Bandwidth' you leave it open to be misunderstood, but you are not directly being misleading. I'm wondering if Unmetered might be a better word to use, rather than unlimited, since there is a physical limit, but if it is unmetered you are saying you won't monitor it, not that there isn't a limit? Still twisting things.

    I always to try make it clear if talking to a customer there is a limit, but it is a mem/cpu limit and that that limit is something they can make changed to avoid by making their site better optimised. But that they can only do that to a point, as eventually some sites will need their own server, and then I'd probably use an (stupid) example such as Facebook or Google and say these sites need multiple servers due to the number of visitors they get etc.

    And even if you don't have unlimited plans, I feel the same as I said in my first post applies, if you are on a £2.50/mo plan, using 250mb diskspace, a few GB of bandwidth, but running a billion cpu intensive tasks that cause the server load to rise you're still going to need to move to a VPS / Dedicated server of your own even though you need virtually no disk space or bandwidth compared to another site such as a busy forum using several GB of diskspace and 1TB of bandwidth each month that isn't overloading the server.

    It's a balancing act and some companies drop the ball big time and we see it all happen on here, sadly, quite often.

    It mostly comes down to good management, good communication and good coding. Bad code is probably our #1 cause of load issues, very rarely does raw traffic cause a problem as most clients that we know to have trafic spikes, let us know if they are expecting a jump so we can make sure the server will be able to hold them, along side everyone else and perform as normal with the increase in traffic.
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    Companies claiming to offer unlimited web space and bandwidth will generally have something like this in their terms:

    "If a user is found absorbing too much server resources, the company has the right to terminate/suspend the account for resource abuse".

    So the best thing one can do is avoid hosting providers that advertise unlimited space/bandwidth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan-W View Post
    Companies claiming to offer unlimited web space and bandwidth will generally have something like this in their terms:

    "If a user is found absorbing too much server resources, the company has the right to terminate/suspend the account for resource abuse".

    So the best thing one can do is avoid hosting providers that advertise unlimited space/bandwidth.

    Of course, if you are sensible you read the terms of any host you sign up to since sometimes there are some really unpleasnt conditions. Most of the time, with any good provider, the terms of service etc are a last resort for the provider, mostly we don't refer to ours, unless a customer is causing a problem, maybe with a few exceptions. That, I feel, is the point of all contract conditions, they are only there for when reasonable decision making has already gone out the window or in extreme situations, otherwise, management should look at each situation and come to a compromise with the customer, since happy customers refer new customers!
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    It's just like financing a vehicle or buying a house. If you don't read the terms you can get burned for making the assumption that the provider has your best interest at heart. Read the terms and make sure, as it is the clients responsibility to read the fine print.

    However I still am biased toward structured plans for obvious reasons. It better protects clients up front, without issues. Now with shared hosting there are always exceptions. If you have 10GB storage and 100GB Bandwidth and your site keeps spiking server load and hurting the other 100 clients, it's time to upgrade to a VPS or dedi!

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    Unlimited means having a good 0.95% of downtime every month ;p Stay away from Unlimited hosting type hosts. xD

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    By claiming unlimited bandwidth or unlimited space, the provider is limiting the service on other criteria. One of the common traps in these offers is the restriction to number of files. Though the provider does not limit the user by disk space, there is restriction on the number of files uploaded! All of us know that it is impossible to create ‘limited’ number of files with ‘unlimited’ space

    Similarly, in the unlimited bandwidth offer, the service provider limits the speed of the service. For example, one of these ‘unlimited bandwidth’ providers in the market say they offer 512 Kbps (connect speed) which is actually 64KBps (transfer speed). In some cases, the speed will be so slow that the Web page does not open in less than 20 sec. A normal user won’t wait for more than 20 sec for a Web page to open. Ultimately, this will affect the search engine page ranking of the Web site.

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    Unlimited is really nothing more than a marketing ploy. People want as much as they can get for as little money as possible, regardless if they only use 100Mb's of space and 1Gb of bandwidth a month. They would rather pay 9.95 a month just because the hosting provider says unlimited. Even though they could go to another provider and pay much less for what they are actually using. It makes them feel good about themselves.

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    There is no such thing as unlimited, every hosting service has its own limits on disk space and bandwidth. I personally thing that when a hosting services mentions unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth, the hosting service is not very reliable.

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    What I've seen is most "unlimited" are either the new companies who know that they'll be only getting 1-2 sign ups to start with. Usually a little less experienced.

    For clients they make the big mistake by going with more than they need. We once had a client who moved from a closing unlimited shared hosting to a VPS. It was hard to persuade the transfer but in the end they did move. What we found was that from their "unlimited" they were only using 2GB of diskspace at max.

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    Hosts that advertise unlimited almost always have clauses in their TOS that govern fair usage.

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