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10-26-2009, 10:57 PM #1Disabled
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R1 Soft
Is this a control panel for backups or what? Do I have to have a dedicated server or can use a vps for it?
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10-26-2009, 11:09 PM #2Temporarily Suspended
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R1soft 'invented' there own Backup Technology called R1soft, and yes you should be able to use it on a dedicated server.
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10-26-2009, 11:12 PM #3Disabled
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Do you just add this to your own server or is it a separate control panel? Can you sell backup solutions to your non-hosting clients?
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10-26-2009, 11:16 PM #4Web Hosting Evangelist
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You cannot use their backup software on a VPS. It must be installed on the hardware node.
R1soft utilizes a kernel-level module that provides realtime block-level backups.
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10-26-2009, 11:28 PM #6Disabled
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I see what you mean now. I can install this on a dedicated server or a vps node. Its pretty much a good addition to your dedicated server.
It would probably like to get it.0
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My question is this: If I have a Windows VPS, Hyper V based, is there somewhere I can get a 10 day trial of R1soft? Or will it even work at all on such a server? I am interested in the agent only so I can test it. Thanks, Dave
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You have to have server to back up to.
So you can't just buy and agent and stick it on a dedicated server.
R1Soft is a 2 separate parts the server software installed where the backups are stored and then agents which are installed on the dedicated servers you want to back up.
Unless your provider offers a data center edition of the server and sells you a slice of it to back up too then buying and installing the agent is worthless to you. You will need another server and buy the server software too0
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10-27-2009, 03:57 AM #15Junior Guru Wannabe
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Good to know
We are in process of adding r1soft to avoid resource extensive cPanel daily backups. Do you think it is a good and feature rich alternative.
Also, how much the performance of backup server (having buserver) will impact the backup process and Bare Metal restores(in case).█ Vijay | sales@indianets.com
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10-27-2009, 04:07 AM #16Web Hosting Evangelist
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Hello,
Yes it is a very good alternative. It will cut your back times down from hours to minutes.
Your backup server (buserver) will need to be a decently good system with 6-8 disks in RAID-10 at least. CDP is currently very I/O hungry but that is all supposed to change with CDP 3.0 coming early next year (hopefully)
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10-27-2009, 04:26 AM #17Engineer
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It does flush the changes in memory to disk before the changes are copied. When you do not use the mysql addon this is not done and you run the risk of corrupt, unrecoverable tables. While the repairs will generally repair *most* tables it will not provide consistent data in all circumstances. For example you have an even higher risk with busy compressed myISAM tables (If you run any shared system, I would suggest you look at how many of your database tables are compressed myisam tables, you'll be surprised how many popular CMS/Blog/Open Source software use these by default) and will be left with unrecoverable tables without the mysql addon.
The warning about inconsistent data should be made stronger in 3.0 and link to a wiki entry highlighting this.
The cost of the mysql addon is next to nothing so there is no reason not to be using it if the database data is important.
The great thing is the mysql addon has alot of potential for excellent features which are very easy to implement, one that I particularly am waiting for is replication data to be taken at the same time as the flush. Which from the chats I have had seems like there's lots more to come.
Don't know about anyone else but I can't wait for 3.0.Server Management - AdminGeekZ.com
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10-27-2009, 04:30 AM #18Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thank you for your fast response. You guys are doing great with webhostbackups
We are looking for our own setup of r1soft backup solution, but their license seems a way too costly - http://www.r1soft.com/promotions/r1s...sting-license/ - am I looking at the right place for the license?
How some companies are able to provide free unlimited CDP agents with their r1soft backup server purchase.
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10-27-2009, 04:34 AM #19Engineer
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Contact them for the price but it's actually very cheap, you should get licenses while they are still cheap too before the product gets much better.
As for how some offer what they do, it may be their size, their license agreements and also when they got the licenses. Lots of factors to consider in specific agreements, some could be selling at a loss to introduce customers too - you simply don't know.Server Management - AdminGeekZ.com
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10-27-2009, 08:34 AM #20Junior Guru Wannabe
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Has anyone tried r1 in comparison to storegrid?
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10-27-2009, 09:39 AM #21Junior Guru Wannabe
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10-27-2009, 09:55 AM #22Junior Guru Wannabe
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Hello From R1Soft Founder
Thanks for all of the interest in R1Soft and I would like to answer some of the questions on this thread.
“…The R1Soft module uses MySQLHotcopy and backs up innodb and myisam alike…”
CDP locks MySQL only briefly to perform a point-in-time volume/partition snapshot using the CDP Linux kernel device driver. This is usually less than a second or may be several seconds on systems with many writes and large memory… its very quick.
More details on CDP for MySQL can be found here: http://wiki.r1soft.com/x/GhBE
“It does flush the changes in memory to disk before the changes are copied. When you do not use the mysql addon this is not done and you run the risk of corrupt, unrecoverable tables…"
“…but their license seems a way too costly”
Be aware you don’t have to purchase 1,000 licenses... You can purchase in almost any quantity you like. Contact R1Soft sales team for more information.
“Has anyone tried r1 in comparison to storegrid?”
“Your backup server (buserver) will need to be a decently good system with 6-8 disks in RAID-10 at least. CDP is currently very I/O hungry but that is all supposed to change with CDP 3.0 coming early next year (hopefully)”
We frequently see R1Soft customers deploy ratios of 100 Agents to 1 CDP Server repository using relatively inexpensive hardware… directly attached RAID cards etc... This is frankly amazing compared to really any other replication solution out there… all of them very expensive… take CommVault or EMC for example where Agent / Server ratios are in the range of 5:1… 15:1… at most with massive hardware investments.0
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10-27-2009, 10:42 AM #23Private Citizen
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Just go with R1Soft, I've finally got a chance to use it and it's unbelievably easy to use. If I can finish some of my personal projects I will finally get it going for us as well. Aside from other projects I need more money as well.
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10-27-2009, 10:46 AM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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VPS and R1Soft
You cannot use their backup software on a VPS. It must be installed on the hardware node.
This is documented here:
Windows - http://www.r1soft.com/windows-cdp/cdp-server-20/vms/
Linux - http://www.r1soft.com/linux-cdp/cdp-server-20/vms/0
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10-27-2009, 12:48 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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Greetings:
The software, which works extremely well, involves a CDP server (akin to a control panel) that should be on its own server (though it can be on a VPS node). A disk that the CDP server has access to is also required; and should be large enough to contain the amount of backups you desire to keep.
Then there are agents you install on the target servers to be backed up. Currently there are agents for Windows and Linux.
The agents tend to be very economical in terms of foot print -- memory, disk utilization, and CPU utilization when active.
Overall, r1soft has an excellent backup technology; the only negative (which to me is extreme) is they have an extremely anti-user ticket system which makes anyone putting in a ticket feel like they are trash.
Rather than picking up a user friendly ticket system (we favor HelpSpot, but they could have also picked Kayako or Cerberus), they picked a system which appears to be oriented towards bug tracking, software development.
They refuse the trash the ticket system; and so, in our case, we post support requests everywhere BUT the ticket system.
Also, they have a reseller program; but that has holes in it because they will bill the customer directly AND bill the reseller (double dipping); AND they will communicate directly with the customer of the reseller even though the contract supposedly states that will never happen.
Aside from those issues, the software itself works well and is reliable.
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