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    Future of Macs?

    I think the Mac have a +-9.% market share, do you think that number will continue to climb? I think during vista it was quite easy for Apple to attract new customers. Microsoft and Apple have interesting ad campaigns. It's interesting to think about both companies in a 5 years. What do you think?

    I personally think Macs (since they can also run XP) will continue to gain popularity and gain a lot more customers.
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    Sure windows may be cheaper, but it doesn't with all the essentials. The trust cost of a windows is actually a bit higher than what you see on the price tag.

    Good Antivirus, Music Editor (garageband) and more. If you want to get your Windows fixed chances are you will call geeksquad that charges +$100 for the diagnosis! Apple has free a free "genius" team that will look into your problem and fix it.
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    This is just a handful of good free personal AV suites.
    http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/
    http://www.free-av.com/
    http://free.avg.com/

    Great open source alternative for personal apps:
    http://www.osalt.com/

    All in good time, OSX will require a good AV solution as popularity increases.

    At the end of the day it comes down to what people are happy using and what works for them.

    This is the ideology that Apple brings:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA

    And one of my favorite quotes:
    “Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.” – Rich Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan B View Post
    Sure windows may be cheaper, but it doesn't with all the essentials. The trust cost of a windows is actually a bit higher than what you see on the price tag.

    Good Antivirus, Music Editor (garageband) and more. If you want to get your Windows fixed chances are you will call geeksquad that charges +$100 for the diagnosis! Apple has free a free "genius" team that will look into your problem and fix it.
    I have a good free antivirus, music editor etc free and one of the reasons windows have viruses and not as many on mac... simple. It is not targeted. There are simply more windows users.
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    MAC is just a more user friendly version of linux (based of the same kernal) and linux is free. I think it will catch on when they stop robbing people.

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    i was a windows user for about a decade but my brother brought an apple an since then i actually went out an brought myself one and havnt used a windows machine since.

    If mac's are to increase sales they need to be exposed to more windows users because most of them wouldn't even know what they are like but once they get a taste they will be hooked. Thats the key .

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    I think the pricing for Mac is too high, especially with ubuntu and other versions of linux that are very user-friendly. I dont see them being anything but a niche player.

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    if you were to survery people out there and asked them if they knew what linux most wouldn't know so thats the unfortunate thing about linux.
    But apple or Windows that would be a different story.
    I like linux too but i cant see that taking off.

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    I think people have heard of Windows and Macs because of advertising. Linux is going to be a grass roots effort by word of mouth, one person at a time.
    It will take time, but it will grow. It is already a major presence in the server area. It is starting to make it way onto desktops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinc View Post
    MAC is just a more user friendly version of linux (based of the same kernal) and linux is free. I think it will catch on when they stop robbing people.
    You mean UNIX
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilAgg View Post
    I think the pricing for Mac is too high, especially with ubuntu and other versions of linux that are very user-friendly. I dont see them being anything but a niche player.
    On some things the price is a high, But on others its not at all. You can't just look at the specs of the computer, you have to look at it as a hole.

    I use to always think the Mac Pro was way over priced, till I got one. There is a reason why these cost more. The engineering that goes into a Mac Pro is insane. When its on, and at its default fan settings, you can't hear it. It moves more air with fans spinning at 500 RPM's then your standard ATX case does with 120MM fans spinning at 3000 RPM's. A lot of the cost goes towards a machine that is built extremely well.

    Apple does not cut corners in terms of quality of the parts. Take the new 27" iMac. You can't even buy the display that is there, I haven't been able to find it.

    Dell sells a 27" display, for $879 right now, and the display in the iMac is still a hell of a lot better, its a S-IPS display, LED backlight, and 2560x1440 res. vs dells 1920x1200.

    If you were to go out and buy it, it would easily cost north of a $1000 for the display alone. So the new iMac is not over priced, but some of there other stuff is.
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    I made the switch to Mac last year when I purchased my iMac. I still have my Dell Laptop, which was running the Windows 7 Beta. Despite the amount of improvements Microsoft made with Windows 7, it still doesn't even come close to being as easy to use, as refined, and as stable as Snow Leopard. It's actually quite insulting; the amount of praise it's getting is only deserved because Windows Vista was just so bad.

    I think Macs will continue to grow. They have over 50% of the market share for college students. That's a market that is going to be driving what is in every household (and business) in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan B View Post
    Sure windows may be cheaper, but it doesn't with all the essentials. The trust cost of a windows is actually a bit higher than what you see on the price tag.

    Good Antivirus, Music Editor (garageband) and more. If you want to get your Windows fixed chances are you will call geeksquad that charges +$100 for the diagnosis! Apple has free a free "genius" team that will look into your problem and fix it.

    I disagree with windows being that expensive...ive seen it for 70-90 in some places just need to know where to look. even the latest version of the windows...windows 7 ive seen for 85. to a student yes its pricey. to somone with a full time job and willing ness to actually pay for somthing its not actually that expensive.

    Considering the office tools that are like 300+

    what is it with a mac, look at the actual hardware its the same as a PC!

    the only benifit a mac has is its an all in one unit aka screen and system together. if the pc crack that then well the mac dont stand a chance.

    I'd love to know what can't be done on a pc that everyone thinks they need a mac for.

    no im not a pc fan boy, I just get stressed when people think they need a mac. lmao. I can see why the market % is so low. unlucky apple.

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    You can always go with psystar box.... they emulate EFI nicely and they even have a product now that will allow you to install Snow Leopard on your home / office Windows Machine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flumps View Post
    I disagree with windows being that expensive...ive seen it for 70-90 in some places just need to know where to look. even the latest version of the windows...windows 7 ive seen for 85. to a student yes its pricey. to somone with a full time job and willing ness to actually pay for somthing its not actually that expensive.

    Considering the office tools that are like 300+

    what is it with a mac, look at the actual hardware its the same as a PC!

    the only benifit a mac has is its an all in one unit aka screen and system together. if the pc crack that then well the mac dont stand a chance.

    I'd love to know what can't be done on a pc that everyone thinks they need a mac for.

    no im not a pc fan boy, I just get stressed when people think they need a mac. lmao. I can see why the market % is so low. unlucky apple.
    I don't think at this point anyone feels they "need" a Mac. Instead, most people simply enjoy using a Mac over a PC. That's the case for me at least. I could easily do everything I do on my Mac with a PC, but it comes down to what I enjoy using. I don't enjoy using Windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inogenius View Post
    I don't think at this point anyone feels they "need" a Mac. Instead, most people simply enjoy using a Mac over a PC. That's the case for me at least. I could easily do everything I do on my Mac with a PC, but it comes down to what I enjoy using. I don't enjoy using Windows.
    Yes I can see your point.

    Theres also that option of being different and in that 2% market which is what people like too

    proberly why macs are so expensive lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inogenius View Post
    I don't think at this point anyone feels they "need" a Mac. Instead, most people simply enjoy using a Mac over a PC. That's the case for me at least. I could easily do everything I do on my Mac with a PC, but it comes down to what I enjoy using. I don't enjoy using Windows.
    Are you forgetting developers? Any OS X/iPhone developer "needs" a mac.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flumps View Post
    what is it with a mac, look at the actual hardware its the same as a PC!

    I'd love to know what can't be done on a pc that everyone thinks they need a mac for.
    First off the hardware is not exactly the same. Check my message here for that http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...4&postcount=12

    There are very few things outside of very high end pro mac specific tools that can't be done on a PC, but then there are also high end pro tools that are PC specific.

    Its not so much what a mac can do over a PC, its more the user experience on a mac is far greater then on a PC.

    The biggest advantage the mac has is its software, in how it looks and how it works together seamlessly with other programs.

    Programs have all the power they should have, but they have a minimal interface that just makes them really easy to use.

    The "it just works" factor really applies in many areas. Printers and digital camera, some things most people use, on a PC most of the time your fooling with drivers, on a mac, just plug it in and it works, If its a camera iPhoto opens and starts to import your pictures, you plug your printer in and 90% of the time nothing happens because it just figures out what you plugged in and its ready to go. The other 10% of the time it goes out on its own and finds a driver for the printer you plugged in.
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    In some ways I think of the Windows vs Apple operating system debate as similar to Ford vs Infiniti cars.

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    Technically its PC vs PC as PC = Personal Computer

    Apple Mac vs Microsoft Windows is more proper here. Stupid marketing propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    In some ways I think of the Windows vs Apple operating system debate as similar to Ford vs Infiniti cars.

    -mike
    Good point, some people want a snazzy G35 Coupe. Others just need a Ford Focus to get to work.

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    If people are willing to pay $1,500 for a Mac, why make it cheaper? Just to be able to sell two at $750 each?

    The car comparison brings it to the point. You can't compare a well designed and engineered luxury product to a mainstream box - although if they are both used for the same.

    I have never heard of someone who returned from the Mac back to the PC. I wouldn't either.

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    I went from a Sports Sedan to my Hyundai half the money, does not handle as well. But it gets the job done and saves me money.

    At the end of the day it's personal preference and what you choose to do. Or are convinced to do by marketing. I always thought I needed a nice car. Then I realized I can get the same job done for half the money. WTF was I thinking

    Same thing applies to all the computers I've owned. I always thought I needed the best, but every computer I've owned has accomplished the same tasks. All in a similar fashion, if you have the extra money go for it. But there are better things you could do. Buy a $500 Winboxen and donate that other $1,000 to charity. Again, personal preference...
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    I find this amusing

    Then:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cf3m_YUzCM

    Now:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFr3Kdok_qo


    It's all clever marketing, and Apple is damn good at it. It's always been about the hardware. The real people they are up against are IBM, HP, Dell, and similar. Remembering, IBM was Apple enemy numero uno.

    Also Pirates of Silicon Valley is a great movie. No matter the accuracies, lack there of, etc. It's still a great watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinc View Post
    MAC is just a more user friendly version of linux (based of the same kernal) and linux is free. I think it will catch on when they stop robbing people.
    OS X is actually based on BSD, not linux; the differences run much deeper than OS X being more user friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTrike View Post
    At the end of the day it's personal preference and what you choose to do. Or are convinced to do by marketing. I always thought I needed a nice car. Then I realized I can get the same job done for half the money. WTF was I thinking
    I completely agree, Mike. Your own example fits me perfectly on automobiles, and it is beginning to fit me well on computers, too!

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