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    Another Virohosting.com Warning

    Recently I've had the honor of speaking to the owner of ViroHosting.com. I didn't realize who it was until roughly 3/4 of the way through the conversation, but I figured something was clearly up when he offered me all of his clients for $100 and that he would work for free (this would probably have lead to the instant destruction of my company). Take a look at the conversation for yourself.


    (6:36:41 PM) Jay: Hello
    (6:39:06 PM) Chris: hey
    (6:39:39 PM) Jay: May I have a link to your website please, I cant remember which one was yours
    (6:39:58 PM) Chris: Trying to find a designer for a new one.. but Hiveon.com
    (6:40:39 PM) Jay: You dont like the current design?
    (6:40:43 PM) Jay: Its awsome.
    (6:40:49 PM) Chris: I bought that design off a friend, temporarily.. and no, not realy
    (6:40:51 PM) Chris: really*
    (6:41:11 PM) Jay: Well I like it but thats just me.
    (6:41:17 PM) Jay: Check out payton designs
    (6:41:24 PM) Jay: They are really good.
    (6:41:28 PM) Chris: its okay.. but im trying to have something like thsi done http://sattom.co.uk/
    (6:41:40 PM) Chris: cleaner looking
    (6:42:47 PM) Chris: and that design company didn't design that.. so dont hire them lol
    (6:43:06 PM) Chris: i find it odd when a web design agency hires someone else to design their site
    (6:43:16 PM) Jay: Yea same here lol
    (6:43:25 PM) Jay: So are you the owner of Hiveon?
    (6:43:34 PM) Chris: yeah, just getting it started
    (6:44:08 PM) Jay: Are you looking to hire someone?
    (6:44:14 PM) Chris: to do what?
    (6:44:32 PM) Jay: Well I can manage your servers, Do tickets, answer calls, and do live chat.
    (6:44:59 PM) Chris: I can handle it, and I have a friend that helps me out when needed.
    (6:45:10 PM) Chris: thanks for the offer though
    (6:45:57 PM) Jay: sorry about that
    (6:45:58 PM) Jay: Dced
    (6:46:05 PM) Jay: well what I meant was
    (6:46:08 PM) Jay: I will work for free
    (6:46:16 PM) Jay: Or very very cheap.
    (6:46:23 PM) Chris: Why would you do that?
    (6:46:35 PM) Jay: I have a hosting company of my own.
    (6:46:40 PM) Jay: Its about time for me to stop that.
    (6:46:53 PM) Jay: I just dont have the time to run it anymore.
    (6:46:59 PM) Chris: How many clients?
    (6:47:00 PM) Jay: So i was passing it on to my partner
    (6:47:03 PM) Chris: oh
    (6:47:16 PM) Jay: Would you want to buy it
    (6:47:17 PM) Jay: ?
    (6:47:23 PM) Chris: i was going to say, i would consider buying some, but.. depends how many you have
    (6:47:34 PM) Chris: and what you wanted for them
    (6:47:43 PM) Jay: 20 shared hosting clients
    (6:47:51 PM) Jay: and about 15 vps clients
    (6:48:29 PM) Chris: I don't plan on having a VPS server up for at least another 2 months, but I'd gladly consider the shared clients
    (6:48:54 PM) Jay: $100.00 and there yours.
    (6:49:02 PM) Jay: If I get a job there, and my partner does to.
    (6:49:13 PM) Chris: What are they paying? Monthly/yearly?
    (6:49:18 PM) Jay: Monthly
    (6:49:28 PM) Jay: All of my clients pay by month.
    (6:49:51 PM) Chris: What's your website and WHT username again?
    (6:50:09 PM) Jay: http://virohosting.com
    (6:50:15 PM) Jay: and I no longer use WHT
    (6:50:19 PM) Jay: I use WTF forums tho
    (6:50:25 PM) Jay: webtalkforums.com
    (6:50:27 PM) Jay: and
    (6:50:29 PM) Jay: v7n.com
    (6:50:50 PM) Chris: No thanks.
    (6:50:57 PM) Jay: no thanks what?
    (6:51:04 PM) Chris: To your offer, to take your clients.
    (6:51:12 PM) Jay: Why?
    (6:51:29 PM) Chris: I'm not interested.
    (6:51:43 PM) Jay: Why were you a moment ago and not now.
    (6:52:24 PM) Chris: I've read a few threads about you and you're rather unprofessional in the way you handle issues. So sorry.
    (6:52:45 PM) Jay: Lol
    (6:52:49 PM) Jay: all of those are crap threads
    (6:53:13 PM) Jay: all it is is
    (6:53:15 PM) Jay: igxhost
    (6:53:27 PM) Jay: and monkey servers screwing around on there
    (6:53:35 PM) Jay: but what ever
    (6:53:39 PM) Jay: your loss
    Moral of the story: do your research before dealing with a potential partner/client. I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else has been approached my him.
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    I would avoid doing ANY type of business with this guy. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Ok, fill me in ... what's up with Virohosting? Why are they trying to sell their clients so cheap?
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    there's been some funny threads about viro in the past week.

    i think anyone parting with the $100 would get severely rammed.

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    (6:47:43 PM) Jay: 20 shared hosting clients
    (6:47:51 PM) Jay: and about 15 vps clients
    then..
    http://twitter.com/vironetworks
    Viro Networks: VPS was a HIT! We have sold over 250 vps servers so far, due to the great outcome, the coupon code "vps" will remain Open! 1:26 PM Oct 5th from API


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    haha wow, there's a bit of a difference between 20 and 250. I strongly advise everyone to stay away from him. He is temporarily banned on WHT for now, but I'm sure he's still lurking.
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    He is only wanting $100 for the clients, b/c of the companies damaged rep.

    He has been banned 2x on DigitalPoint forums.

    His twitter
    Viro Networks | 25% Off! | Hosting since 2001!
    It's funny since domain was registered last month, '09

    I wonder what's next? Web design since 1901

    Surprised HostGator web rip is still up? His provider doesn't care about property rights.

    He even has HostGator on his twitter

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    Hmm... I've talked to Jay a few times in Skype - never picked up on this sort of vibe but it is of course hard to discern such things in a text conversation.
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    wow. just make sure you know who your doing business with, its important their business dosn't affect yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiveon View Post
    He is temporarily banned on WHT for now, but I'm sure he's still lurking.
    I made a mistake.. they account that is temporarily banned looks like it's an account he used to make fake reviews for himself. His username on here is EnvoHost.
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    I don't feel so great regarding posts and comments in the posts I made regarding the accused, however, just to let everyone know I'm a fair person, I will always aim 100% to expose as much info as I can when would be scammers or spammers come to light or mixing amongst us.

    I might be a bit of a loudmouth and react a little over the top in quite a few threads I'm involved in here on WHT, but one thing I will do is I will always be a bastion for fair commerce and try to protect the members here on wht who the not so worthy amongst us try to con and defraud.

    This business needs to be kept clean, fair and competitive. That's what makes it such a healthy industry to be involved in.

    We need to cut out the diseases...i.e (scamming and spamming)...and please believe me there will be quite a few lurking around on WHT and although the staff to a truly fantastic job, it would be totally unfair and naive to think they can cope with it all themselves because they are worked to the max already.

    We all need to pull our weight to keep this place the best it is....some may call it teamwork....whether it's staff or members...we're all on the same side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw Web Master View Post
    I don't feel great regarding posts and comments in the posts I made regarding the accused,
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    That line confused me to death. lol I think I get the gist of it though. I also don't mean to spam the heck out of these types of things, but I just think everyone should be aware of a potential scam. If I didn't read the other threads about ViroHosting.com on here I might have fallen into the trap and lost $100. I'm just trying to help out. Feel free to comment on my actions.
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    yupps Hiveon...you did the right thing alerting us all.

    i'm lucky....i don't buy hosting clients...i don't even do public hosting. my hosting's by invitation only or my private clients.

    but these type of alerts will always serve as fair warning as potential scams to companies that are involved in the hosting business/industry.


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    Funny how he trashed IGXHost. They are better then he will ever be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiveon View Post
    I made a mistake.. they account that is temporarily banned looks like it's an account he used to make fake reviews for himself. His username on here is EnvoHost.
    It's really funny when some people do that, I mean make fake exaggerated reviews of their own company.. If they give true good service, they never had to do that.

    He almost seem so desperate offering to help you out for free, on the fact that he said he has no more time to handle his own business Funny and weird at the same time. And thanks for the warning by the way..

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    Interesting story to keep in mind
    Thanks a lot

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    (6:53:27 PM) Jay: and monkey servers screwing around on there

    who is monkey servers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Muyskens View Post
    (6:53:27 PM) Jay: and monkey servers screwing around on there

    who is monkey servers?
    maybe he meant the lolcats....anyway here's what they think of his efforts.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails fail.jpg  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Muyskens View Post
    (6:53:27 PM) Jay: and monkey servers screwing around on there

    who is monkey servers?
    mooseweb on this forum I believe, aka "Host-Monkey"
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    From Sept 22.

    I bought servers from virohosting some time ago, but I had numerous problems with the company.
    Jay told me that it was servers from 1and1 and it was their issues, so i sent in an enquiry to 1and1 and they responded with the following email:


    ***************************
    Hi, we marked these servers as fraud, locked and terminated them because
    we called the number on the account and there was no ***** *****
    there.

    virohosting is a scam. The domain was registered this month, probably
    with a stolen credit card. The phone number on the site is bad. Below
    is the contact details for the registrar and host, you might want to
    contact them and let them know that this site is a scam. You may want
    to report the fraud to the local police as well. 1&1 does not have a
    reseller program. The technical contact for the domain has a verizon
    cell phone, phone number (734) 756-7675. It is in Wayne, Michigan.
    This might be a starting point for an investigation, although this
    person may be a fraud victim as well. I would be careful when buying
    things on the Internet from companies you never heard of.


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    Domain Name: VIROHOSTING.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: NS1.VIROHOSTING.COM
    Name Server: NS2.VIROHOSTING.COM
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 03-sep-2009
    Creation Date: 03-sep-2009
    Expiration Date: 03-sep-2010

    >>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:09:42 UTC <<<

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    Registrant:
    NXDGlobal
    9367 Bassett
    livonia, Michigan 48150
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: VIROHOSTING.COM
    Created on: 03-Sep-09
    Expires on: 03-Sep-10
    Last Updated on: 03-Sep-09(405) 886-9429

    Administrative Contact:
    Dubinsky, Josh josh@nxdglobal.com
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    9367 Bassett
    livonia, Michigan 48150
    United States
    (734) 756-7675 Fax --

    Technical Contact:
    Dubinsky, Josh josh@nxdglobal.com
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    9367 Bassett
    livonia, Michigan 48150
    United States
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    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.VIROHOSTING.COM
    NS2.VIROHOSTING.COM

    mlazin@key.usa:~$ host virohosting.com
    virohosting.com has address 208.43.64.54
    virohosting.com mail is handled by 0 virohosting.com.
    mlazin@key.usa:~$ whois 208.43.64.54

    OrgName: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
    OrgID: SOFTL
    Address: 1950 N Stemmons Freeway
    City: Dallas
    StateProv: TX
    PostalCode: 75207
    Country: US

    ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.softlayer.com:4321

    NetRange: 208.43.0.0 - 208.43.255.255
    CIDR: 208.43.0.0/16
    OriginAS: AS36351
    NetName: SOFTLAYER-4-6
    NetHandle: NET-208-43-0-0-1
    Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    NameServer: NS1.ARPA.GLOBAL-DATACENTER.COM
    NameServer: NS2.ARPA.GLOBAL-DATACENTER.COM
    Comment:
    RegDate: 2008-04-22
    Updated: 2009-08-27

    RAbuseHandle: ABUSE1025-ARIN
    RAbuseName: Abuse
    RAbusePhone: +1-214-442-0605
    RAbuseEmail: abuse@softlayer.com

    RNOCHandle: IPADM258-ARIN
    RNOCName: IP Admin
    RNOCPhone: +1-214-442-0600
    RNOCEmail: ipadmin@softlayer.com

    RTechHandle: IPADM258-ARIN
    RTechName: IP Admin
    RTechPhone: +1-214-442-0600
    RTechEmail: ipadmin@softlayer.com

    OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE1025-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Abuse
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-214-442-0605
    OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@softlayer.com

    OrgTechHandle: IPADM258-ARIN
    OrgTechName: IP Admin
    OrgTechPhone: +1-214-442-0600
    OrgTechEmail: ipadmin@softlayer.com

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