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    Man murders his sister and his sister's husband for being too liberal

    Wow, this guy is nuts.

    Edward Wycoff stabbed and bludgeoned his sister and her husband to death in El Cerrito in 2006 because he thought the couple were too liberal.

    Although Wycoff was also armed with a gun, he didn't use it because he didn't want to boost the cause of gun-control supporters, the prosecutor said.


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    From that article, it seems the guy was quite the wacko. He said they were out to destroy him because he wasn't invited to a few family functions. Used his late mother's hair as a disguise.... ugh.... definitely a mental case.

    I'm not sure why you bring up the issue of gun-control, though, as this seems to not be related to what happened. Anyhow, imagine if the family had a shotgun and the 17 year old, or even the younger sister, knew how to use it... their parents might be alive today...

    Very horrible crime by a deranged person.
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    There are both liberal and conservative and moderate nutjobs, they come in all shapes and sizes and political persuasions.

  4. Wow that is really messed up ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    Although Wycoff was also armed with a gun, he didn't use it because he didn't want to boost the cause of gun-control supporters, the prosecutor said.
    Hahaha, well he proved the point against anti-gunners, if someone doesnt have a gun (or chooses not to use one) they will just find another way to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    he didn't want to boost the cause of gun-control supporters, the prosecutor said.


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    how considerate of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webdude View Post
    Hahaha, well he proved the point against anti-gunners, if someone doesnt have a gun (or chooses not to use one) they will just find another way to kill.
    He had no intentions on using the gun to commit the murders, but felt that he needed to armed himself with a gun anyways.


    It actually backs up my argument I made about conservative pro-gun folks in America.

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...8&postcount=35

    My argument:

    These pro-gun conservatives have Paranoid Schizophrenia, who thinks everyone is out to get them, so they feel they need guns to make them safe. The worser the Paranoid Schizophrenia they have, the more guns and more powerful guns they feel they need.



    Add 2 more things to what these conservative pro-gun owners are afraid of to my list:

    They fear liberals.
    They fears gays.
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    That's crazy, I was living in Sacramento in '06, but for some reason I can not remember this event. Maybe it didn't get big publicity back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    These pro-gun conservatives have Paranoid Schizophrenia.
    Yeah I have Paranoid Schizophrenia, so what's the problem? Come on down and visit. We'll take a trip down to the Mexican border where just walking on our side you can be shot at from the other side by the drug gangs who are trying to come here. We'll see how paranoid YOU get knowing you are potentially in danger like that. The border patrol is under-manned and outgunned.... THAT isnt what worries the gangs. What worries them is that on the other side of their border that they want to cross is the most armed civilization in history that isnt afraid to shoot back.

    Then you have some wimps in America who call gun activists paranoid as if its a bad thing. You know what else describes me as paranoid? Having a LOCK on my front door to keep the baddies out, and having car door locks too... how dare I have those locks! They mean I'm fearful and paranoid!

    Oh wait.... I'll bet that includes you too doesnt it? No? It's only what fits YOUR views huh? So it makes me a Paranoid Schizophrenia to have a gun to stop the bad guys, but not a lock on the door? You have some real double standard issues buddy. Oh wait... I must be a Total Lunatic on top of Paranoid Schizophrenia because I have DOGS that protect my home too... hmmm

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    Wow, I knew politics can be heated. But, this is an extreme... This guy is nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john2k View Post
    From that article, it seems the guy was quite the wacko. He said they were out to destroy him because he wasn't invited to a few family functions. Used his late mother's hair as a disguise.... ugh.... definitely a mental case.
    Sure sounds like it. Tragic, regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    He had no intentions on using the gun to commit the murders, but felt that he needed to armed himself with a gun anyways.
    How could you possibly know this for sure? I thought it was the prosecutor who made that statement. Did the murderer say that he was making some sort of political statement by not using the gun? It kind of seemed to me that the prosecutor was just making an assumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    My argument:

    These pro-gun conservatives have Paranoid Schizophrenia, who thinks everyone is out to get them, so they feel they need guns to make them safe. The worser the Paranoid Schizophrenia they have, the more guns and more powerful guns they feel they need.
    The problem I see with your argument is that the same exact reasoning can be made for the anti-gun crowd. That they have "paranoid schizoprenia" and for some crazy reason believe that every law abiding gun owner is out to get them.

    America is supposed to be the land of the free. Freedom & liberty is why this nation was founded. Those who are anti-gun have the freedom to choose not to own guns. However, the idea of taking away the rights of one group of people simply because another group of people are afraid of something is contrary to everything that this nation was founded upon. This is how freedom works, with free people having the right to choose for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Webdude View Post
    You know what else describes me as paranoid? Having a LOCK on my front door to keep the baddies out, and having car door locks too... how dare I have those locks! They mean I'm fearful and paranoid!
    Good example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john2k View Post
    America is supposed to be the land of the free. Freedom & liberty is why this nation was founded.
    So why not carry around an RPG? There has to be limits, freedom doesn't mean you can do what you want.

    I agree weapons should be available to members of the public who will use them for the correct purposes, the problem is trying to prevent those who shouldn't get a gun getting a gun.

    I know you can all say those who want to kill will kill, but you can't kill a man while driving past him with a knife (unless you throw it, even then pretty hard to kill someone). You can defend yourself much easier if someone came at you with a knife than you can with a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    So why not carry around an RPG?
    I tried that once. It was heavy, bulky, and just wouldnt stop falling out of my back pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webdude View Post
    I tried that once. It was heavy, bulky, and just wouldnt stop falling out of my back pocket.
    Those RPGs just never attract the girls quite as well as we hope they would, too.



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    Nutters everywhere nowadays

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    More crazy gun-toting conservatives. He's probably half joke and half serious.

    Congressman Gregg Harper (R-Miss) says he wants to hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats.

    http://www.politico.com/click/storie...gressman4.html
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    That guy is complete nuts!

    One should be taking care from a mentally sick person because a person like him can cause threat to other and his own life as well.
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    This is why I hate US politics - it's so polarized. You can't support gun ownership without being branded a conservative - it's like it's unthinkable for someone to be pro-guns, pro-abortion, pro-death-penalty and pro-healthcare reform.

    hycloud: Your irrational fear of the firearm is every bit as dangerous as you claim that they are. Prohibition doesn't work, for a good example search news.google.com for entries regarding "shooting" from Australia, and see how many wonderful results in the last decade or so since Australia seriously ramped up it's gun control laws.

    Yes, I'm sure you can find other countries in the world that have strict gun control and almost no violent crime. There's this neat little rule about statistics: correlation != causation. That low violent crime rate is caused by something other than the strict gun control laws you would so love to have, but which will be wholly ineffective and might even make things worse.

    The fact is that Americans and most "very western" people just have this innate desire to hurt each other, and banning guns will take away a tiny portion of the tools with which we can do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwaggle View Post
    This is why I hate US politics - it's so polarized. You can't support gun ownership without being branded a conservative - it's like it's unthinkable for someone to be pro-guns, pro-abortion, pro-death-penalty and pro-healthcare reform.

    hycloud: Your irrational fear of the firearm is every bit as dangerous as you claim that they are. Prohibition doesn't work, for a good example search news.google.com for entries regarding "shooting" from Australia, and see how many wonderful results in the last decade or so since Australia seriously ramped up it's gun control laws.

    Yes, I'm sure you can find other countries in the world that have strict gun control and almost no violent crime. There's this neat little rule about statistics: correlation != causation. That low violent crime rate is caused by something other than the strict gun control laws you would so love to have, but which will be wholly ineffective and might even make things worse.

    The fact is that Americans and most "very western" people just have this innate desire to hurt each other, and banning guns will take away a tiny portion of the tools with which we can do it.
    I'm not afraid of guns.

    I have no problems with cops having guns.

    I'm afraid of nuts and murders with guns.

    If I fear my life is threaten and feel that I need a gun to protect myself, I would get a gun.

    But right now, I don't have any irrational fear that a criminal is going to break into my house and kill me.
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    John Brek Arrested: Newark Security Guard Accused Of Making Terrorist Threats Against Obama

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...wark_airp.html


    The police found 43 guns, said Paul Kelly, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and Jersey.
    While authorities have not finished processing the weapons, so far none of them appear to have been illegally acquired. Kelly said.
    Wow, what a gun nut. 43 guns!!

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