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10-17-2009, 05:03 PM #1Disabled
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Vista = Windows ME
Do you think that Windows Vista was a Microsoft failure like Windows ME?
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10-17-2009, 06:33 PM #2Junior Guru
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10-17-2009, 06:40 PM #3Rebooting is a hack, not a fix
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Vista is fine aslong as you're not updated an antique piece of ****
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10-17-2009, 06:54 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Second that. Vista works great, and was vastly more stable at release than XP was at release, and still is. Vista gets faster over time, where XP gets slower. Vista has much better memory management. Vista usually keeps at least 2.5GiB of my 4GiB memory in use for cache. On a home/office workstation, and especially on a laptop, where HDs are usually slower (unless you've got a newer expensive model with a SSD), unused RAM is wasted RAM. Vista looks nicer than XP.
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10-17-2009, 06:56 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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There is nothing wrong with Vista at all, been using it since Beta1 and have already pre-ordered my copy of Windows 7 as the Release Candidate has been excellent of that as well.
Windows ME was a failure but Windows Vista was not. There were some issues initially with hardware vendors behind with driver support, but I havn't had any major issues with the OS.
If you have a capable system and can accept change, and not think "ohhh no it's not Windows XP", then it's a good OS.
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10-17-2009, 07:49 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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No, I think the failure Windows ME is still better than the failure of Vista.
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10-17-2009, 08:19 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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I still stand by my assertion that most people who hate Vista either forgot how much of a train-wreck XP was on it's first release, or just plain weren't around for it's first release.
It was the most hideous, idiotic operating system, it ran like garbage on 90% of the PCs people were trying to put it on, hardware support was awful, it had stupid "features" that got in the way, and the majority of people were clinging desperately to previous versions (whether Win98 or Win2k) until the average PC caught up with the system requirements.
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10-17-2009, 08:37 PM #8Temporarily Suspended
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Nothing beats Windows ME in failure
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10-17-2009, 09:29 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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10-17-2009, 09:33 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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FHDave, I'm sure that was completely Vista and not any other software you were running... </sarcasm>
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sure thing ...
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10-17-2009, 11:08 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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10-17-2009, 11:25 PM #13WHT Addict
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Wish they gave beta testers a small discount, lol I dont want to switch off my RC .
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10-18-2009, 12:04 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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From the business applications, I have dealt with which were using Vista (Quicken, Autocad, etc) were relatively problem free. Once everything was set up I didn't have to go back to the client for any major problems.
But personally I would rather run Linux.
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10-18-2009, 12:27 AM #16Disabled
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Quite a few people are under the impression that Vista is really bad.
I guess you could say the first release was unstable, used too many resources to run, and had a few errors.
However, keep this in mind; Microsoft sets a date for the Beta to be released, then during Beta testing they fix everything they can to make it nice and stable. After that they RTM (release to manufacturer) and they stick to the date. And finally, the final release to users, even if the software isn't perfect, or completed for that matter. Then they release service packs and/or updates to rectify problems.
That's why the first release is always a bit shabby, it was like this for XP, and for Vista. However, Windows 7 is just a revamped version of Vista. Which is a great idea because as most people know, it has been proven to be the best Windows OS ever created.
I myself noticed that it actually uses less ram than XP! Pretty amazing.
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I hope you're comparing a freshly installed 7 to a non-freshly installed XP. Vista/7 has a much better caching mechanism, and should use quite a lot more of your memory for cache than XP ever did, if you've been running it for a while and it has had time to figure out what you're using most that should be cached.
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10-18-2009, 01:54 AM #18Temporarily Suspended
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Vista's pretty great, I don't think anyone who actually USES Vista (Not for MSN, Facebook or Minesweeping) would say it sucks.
Like someone said in this thread, Vista gets faster with time where older Windows versions just get slower and with time, they just give up and end up giving you the blue screen of death.
I can't say there aren't annoying things about Vista and I just don't think of it as too "user friendly"... There are things that are quite difficult to do if you come from XP. Networking wise, if you setup a network with XP workstations and one with Vista...It's just a pain in the ass if you ask me.
So bottom line is... Microsoft made some really good improvements in Vista. I don't know if its just me but the only way I can use vista is after installing Service pack 1.
And Windows 7 just got even better, I've been using the release candidate and so far, it's beyond fantastic...I wonder how great the official release would be.
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10-18-2009, 02:08 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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And that is one of the worst misunderstandings that really annoys those of us who know better.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
It is really that simple. If the RAM is not full of useful bytes, it is useless. Caching in RAM (USING, rather than WASTING, RAM) makes things load much faster. You average 7200RPM drive can transfer at about 60MB per second, regardless of whether it is on ATA100, ATA133, SATA, or SATA II. Your average DDR2-667 RAM can theoretically transfer at 5.3GB per second - nearly 89 times faster. Vista / 7 will load your most frequently used data into RAM soon after startup, so that they will start as quickly as possible when you run them, rather than taking the time to load from disk. If you load some other app, it will free RAM if it needs to. Claiming that it is "hogging" resources is sheer stupidity.[GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit]
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10-18-2009, 02:13 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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10-18-2009, 03:39 AM #22Web Hosting Master
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Like i've said in other threads and people have said on here - Vista is good as long as you running it on decent hardware with a big CPU and lots of RAM. Vista is just resource hungry, thats all. But on decent hardware its absolutely fine.
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10-19-2009, 01:11 PM #23Junior Guru
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WinME was from the outset a stop-gap product only aimed at the home market, so its not really comparable to Vista. Vista failed in the sense that many corporate users (ie those with 1000+ site licences) stuck with XP, even though "home" sales seemed to be OK.
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10-21-2009, 08:50 AM #25Junior Guru
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I dont think that windows vista was a failure. I am using it on my pc and satisfied with that.
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