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10-10-2009, 05:33 PM #1New Member
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Nesbie Question - Webhosting and Domain Registar
Guys please be nice, if I ask some really dumb questions.
I have been with 1and1 for about 4 years, with a beginner package. I use it for Gallery, my son set it all up for me and he now lives out of town.
1and1 host the website and is the domain registar. I would like more space, as Im about out.
So here is what I am thinking of doing. Move the domain to Godaddy.com for registration. I just think if i want to move things in the future, it would be easier, to have the domain and the hosting seperate.
Then for webhosting, I am thinking of Justhost, or Surpass (my son has them) or third is JustGator (its more $).
I dont really want this tread to be abot which host, i think its a crap shoot, the review sites are pretty worthless, so many sponsored by the recomend host themselves.
My main quiestion is: Do i transfer the domain to godaddy first, then, point it back to 1and1 for the time being. Assuming i can transfter just the domain name without cancelling everything at 1and1. then in the meantime, pick a hosting company and get that set up, then cancel the site hosting with 1and 1.
i would like to make this all as quick and painless as possible, as my email is on the domain, and dont want to be without email for an extended amount of time
so what comes first? the chicken or the egg. I need some guidance.
thanks in advance guys
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10-10-2009, 05:54 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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You should be able to transfer the domain to GoDaddy then simply change the nameservers to point to 1and1. I don't see how if you transfer your domain, 1and1 will cancel your hosting.
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10-10-2009, 05:58 PM #3Newbie
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Your nameservers should already be pointed to 1 and 1, so when you do the transfer they'll still remain the same. You shouldn't worry about them cancelling your hosting.
Nice to see that you realize that all those top 10 sites are affiliates of the hosting companies. Many people get tricked. You get to be #1 by having the best payout multiplied by conversion rate.
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10-10-2009, 06:03 PM #4Newbie
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Just to tie everything together, I actually have a top 10 list that's hosted with just host. Haven't had any problems with them. Site is always up.
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10-10-2009, 07:33 PM #5Junior Guru
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Nice idea.First have your site and the domain separated would be perfect.Transfer the domain to godaddy first is recommended.
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10-10-2009, 09:12 PM #6Grand Nagus
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First of all when does your domain expire? Hopefully it doesn't expire soon, as you can't transfer a domain if it expires within the next 30 days. I could be wrong about that.
Transfer the domain first from 1and1 to GoDaddy.
I believe 1and1 uses their own proprietary control panel. So after you switch web hosts, they probably will NOT transfer your web site for you. Make sure to ask your prospective web hosts first if they will transfer your web site currently hosted with 1and1?
BTW are you in Washington state? Just noticed the 509 in your user name and wondered if that's your area code.What's your budget?
Seriously, what's your budget?
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10-10-2009, 09:21 PM #7I'm good with computers.
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You are. Domains can be transferred even after they are expired as long as they have not entered the redemption period. This means that after a domain expires, you still have about 30 days to transfer it to another registrar.
Many registrars do not provide this capability up front, but it must be requested and manually set up through their support department. It is required that they let you do this, however.
Originally Posted by http://www.icann.org/en/transfers/dnholder-faq-03nov04.htm
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10-11-2009, 12:11 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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When you transfer the domain, you'll have the option of keeping the current nameservers or changing them during the "buy now" process. Thus you can always have them pointed to 1and1 without doing anything else.
When you find a new host, copy site to new host while maintaining the one at 1and1. After site is configured, tested and functioning at new site, change nameservers to new host's. Then after new nameserver info propagates the internet (after a couple of days) cancel the 1and1 account.█ Collabora Hosting - Unlimited Windows and Linux Hosting
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10-11-2009, 01:14 PM #9Brian King of LLAMEDOS
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Most of whats been said is sound, However,
I would thoroughly check out 1 and 1's terms & conditions,
they are very rigid in the way they operate and basicaly will not
be flexible if you make any errors in the process of transfering,
also they may not allow domains not reg through them to point to there nameservers, thay are after all [IMHO] domain reg.s first and hosts second.
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10-12-2009, 12:59 AM #10Retired Moderator
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also they may not allow domains not reg through them to point to there nameservers, thay are after all [IMHO] domain reg.s first and hosts second.
You're definitely right about the rigid, not always making much sense (and thus unexpected) policies though. I tried to host a subdomain with them, and their system adamantly requires that your main domain uses their nameservers. If you don't comply with that within 2 weeks (if I recall correctly) they undo your hosting setup for that particular domain and subdomain.
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10-12-2009, 02:58 AM #11Disabled
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In any case if you want to change your web hosting company you do not need to change your domain name registrar. And for the some reasons that is not recommended to have web hosting and domain name from the same company
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10-12-2009, 06:50 AM #12Junior Guru
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You could easily separate the web hosting from mail hosting by using DNS management. If you point your MX records to google apps your mail will go on working wherever you move your domain.
This is how you could do:
-get google apps account
-point your MX record to google apps in your current registrar
-move your domain to new registrar (godaddy)
-get a new host account and point DNS to their nameservers
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10-12-2009, 09:23 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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10-12-2009, 10:15 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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It's not advisable to buy your domain and host from the same company, you could have problems when you decide to move either of your product someplace else.
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10-12-2009, 10:44 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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I'd agree to move the domain and it will stay pointed to1 & 1 unless you change it during the transfer (don't fall for GoDaddy's hosting options you will have to refuse again and again)
BUT 1 & 1 is REALLY big on "package" deals. "Free domain with such & so plan" type offers and these are LOADED with fine print. You may have committed to stay with 1&1 for a certain length of time before the "free" domain really becomes yours. In this case you may be stuck upgrading hosting with 1&1 if you haven't "fulfilled" your contract when you got the "package". I had a client recently with a similar company who couldn't move hosting to us because while their entire commitment to the other company was only about $150 over the time in the contract the "early cancellation" was $300 to keep their name (which of course was already on all their cards & stationery etc. so we had to advise them to stay until they completed their "contract". However be careful when you upgrade hosting (IF you have to stay there) that you don't accidentally get into another commitment. Really read the fine print.
But if your domain is free & clear all the above are correct. Move first. Then find a host that suits your needs then cancel with 1&1 after you have everything set-up and uploaded to your account on the new host so thee will be no downtime-change name server settings and when you're sure all has propagated to the site on the new host cancel with 1 & 1 but check before trying to transfer to make 100% sure your domain is free of any "fine print" contractual obligations.
1&1 is one of those companies that runs a lot of magazine ads with great "deals"-- free domain names with... free e-commerce hosting with...free web site builder with... etc. and each has their own obligation some where in there. The deals would be too good to be true otherwise. There has to be a way they can recover the cost of the initial "freebie". There's nothing wrong with the practice at all; but too often people don't read all the pages the fine print says to read; so they don't fully understand the "contract" they are making when they take the "deal".
Four years is a long time so it's likely you are good unless you accidentally made another contract somewhere on the way (most deals are 1 to 2 year commitments)
But as long as your name is "free and clear & 100% yours then the above is good advice, move first, find new host, set-up web site on new host, change name-servers, then cancel current hosting...and go "month to month" with whoever the new host is until you are 100% sure you'll like them. I advise always staying on monthly but some people like a yearly discount offer but be sure they will deliver the same for a year before making a commitment.
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