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  1. #1

    Liquidweb VPS performance/experience...

    Hello,

    A few days ago, I ordered a premium fully upgraded linux VPS with Liquidweb (after reading all the positive reviews here). After becoming familiar with their setup (was not all that smooth..), I noticed how the whm and cpanel were sort of slow compared to the whm/cpanel reseller setup with hostgator. After copying a site to it and letting a few people review it, all came back with the same remark: "it's slower then the current host" (a dedicated windows server).

    So I ran a little php test to try to put a number on this "slowness" (liquidweb support was trying to get away with excuses like: well, it could be your location or what might be slow for you might be fast for others... etc...). Here are the results:

    Cheap shared hosting HostGator account:
    0.64119696617126 seconds

    Current co-located windows 2003 server:
    0.83531999588013 seconds

    Liquidweb upgraded premium linux VPS:
    1.81236195564 seconds

    To be fair, I'm still waiting on then to try to tweak the php setup on that VPS (I think PHP none-TS and cgi with fastcgi would help). But I'm not sure they care...

    This is a "bummer", because I was excited by the reviews here I even paid the $150 setup (thinking I was going to be with them for years).

    I might consider a dedicated if it's truly 100% fully managed and PHP performance is at least as good as a cheap shared account.

    Feel free to also run this PHP script and post your results. Also if you are currently using a VPS or dedicated server your feedback (even negative) is welcome as I will likely be shopping again soon.

    Thanks,
    Christophe

    PS: Here is the php code:
    <?php

    $startTime = microtime(true);

    for ($i=0;$i<500;$i++) {
    $j++;

    for ($k=0;$k<10000;$k++) {
    $j++;}
    }

    $endTime = microtime(true);
    $delta = $endTime - $startTime;

    echo "total time: $delta seconds.\n";

    //phpinfo();
    ?>

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    I get 0.56s on a low-end VPS at Clustered.net.

    That's with mod_php and no tuning. I've had the VPS for quite a while so I'm sure the node has been filled with other clients, too.

    That benchmark is, of course, purely CPU-bound. I/O is another important factor in overall performance. You might want to try one of the established VPS benchmarks, like this one. There are plenty of results to compare with in that thread.

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    I got 0.616958141327 on one of my own VMs (Ubuntu Linux). Should try it on FreeBSD some time...
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    1.00 on my wiredtree vps

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    1and1.com Shared Business - 0.175555 seconds
    Virpus.com VPS - 2.15711212158 seconds
    ubiquityhosting.com VPS - 0.9802069664 seconds

    Interesting results...

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    in2net.com - total time: 0.99874186515808 seconds.

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    hostgator reseller server - total time: 0.693825960159 seconds.
    theplanet dedicated server - total time: 0.581859827042 seconds. (windows 2003)

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    NetLogistics (Australian) VPS total time: 0.655637979507 seconds.
    FutureHosting Gold VPS total time: 0.51347899437 seconds.
    (both running mod_php)

    As Jay said though, probably not the best test. And if you're expecting any VPS to outperform a full server (including the server used for a quality shared-hosting account) then you're likely to be disappointed.
    Chris

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    Liquidweb VPS (basic): total time: 1.15203404427 seconds.

    Hostgator shared hosting: total time: 0.698986053467 seconds.

    Hostmonster shared hosting: total time: 2.04549694061 seconds.

    Godaddy shared hosting: total time: 0.70564389228821 seconds.

    Fatcow shared hosting: total time: 1.9244678020477 seconds.

    1and1 shared hosting (Home): total time: 1.0162370204926 seconds.

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    Linode 360(base) VPS in Atlanta DC - total time: 0.862246990204 seconds.
    PHP 5.2.6 - Debian Lenny - Cherokee web server


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    Quote Originally Posted by ldcdc View Post
    Liquidweb VPS (basic): total time: 1.15203404427 seconds.

    Hostgator shared hosting: total time: 0.698986053467 seconds.

    Hostmonster shared hosting: total time: 2.04549694061 seconds.

    Godaddy shared hosting: total time: 0.70564389228821 seconds.

    Fatcow shared hosting: total time: 1.9244678020477 seconds.

    1and1 shared hosting (Home): total time: 1.0162370204926 seconds.
    You're almost as bad as I am, but I'm the one with the 3 VPS accounts, 3 reseller and a few shared hosting accounts

    I'll bet my hosting bills are probably a little higher since the average fully managed VPS is around $50/mo.
    What's your budget?

    Seriously, what's your budget?

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    Just for fun, here it is on a MediaLayer shared plan:
    total time: -0.07824 seconds.

    (Yes, that's a negative. It's not a typo.) So that's how layer0 gets his servers so fast - he's got a time machine!
    Chris

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    I run with Liquidweb Premium VPS total time: 0.55203505236 seconds.


    I have never had a downtime since Ive been with them and their services have been top notch, even got a huge bandwidth upgrade for no additional charge they upgraded their services and I got a upgrade too!
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    I'm the one with the 3 VPS accounts, 3 reseller and a few shared hosting accounts
    Maybe there's a need for a "Hosting Anonymous" for web hosting addicts?

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    wow very interesting everybody!
    I also had a premium VPS with all the upgrades (1GB ram; 100GB disk; 1400 GB/month). Obviously this is a game of Russian roulette with Liquidweb. Apparently some will end-up on a "ok" server and others, like me, on a "has-been" server. :-(

    My server info listed 4 "Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2212" so it's probably a dual processor "dual-core AMD 2212".
    cakvala, just out of curiosity, what does your WHM list as the server processors?
    ldcdc also listed a time for LW, if you could list the processor(s) we might detect a pattern.

    Granted this is not an "official ISO" technique to benchmark a service provider. When I hoster denies the obvious slowness of a site this is a quick way to set the record straight. The site was visibly slow, this quick number confirmed it.

    Even after rebuilding the server with CGI and FastCGI (myself, LW support did not seem to care one bit...or worst they already knew that it would not help given the server I was on...) the time was 1.7x seconds. Still totally un-acceptable for this site.

    Today, I canceled my service with them and will probably be getting a managed dedicated from one of the top managed providers. This VPS game just seems too random.

    Just on principal, I also hope LW will refund the $225 cost for this "little adventure".

    Honestly, I think it's just not right to sell a VPS with such performance without a warning. Especially from a company many here have in high regards.

    Thanks,
    Christophe

    PS: I will probably post in the "managed dedicated server" section looking for suggestions. Hey, it will be my 3rd post in 4 years ;-)
    Last edited by webpan; 10-08-2009 at 02:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobic View Post
    NetLogistics (Australian) VPS total time: 0.655637979507 seconds.
    FutureHosting Gold VPS total time: 0.51347899437 seconds.
    (both running mod_php)

    As Jay said though, probably not the best test. And if you're expecting any VPS to outperform a full server (including the server used for a quality shared-hosting account) then you're likely to be disappointed.
    Should we make a more complete benchmark test? or is there one that we can compare against each other?

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    eUKHost Windows VPS: total time: 0.61666893959 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webpan View Post
    Hello,

    A few days ago, I ordered a premium fully upgraded linux VPS with Liquidweb (after reading all the positive reviews here). After becoming familiar with their setup (was not all that smooth..), I noticed how the whm and cpanel were sort of slow compared to the whm/cpanel reseller setup with hostgator.

    This is a "bummer", because I was excited by the reviews here I even paid the $150 setup (thinking I was going to be with them for years).
    This just goes do show you the value of reviews here. It seems individuals have varied experiences regardless of subjective utterances of posters, most anonymous. Its the stuff you are doing that has real value. Nothing like real data collection to tell a story. Here is some more that relates to network uptime:

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/reports/Hosters
    http://uptime.besthostratings.com/webhosts-uptime.php

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    ldcdc also listed a time for LW, if you could list the processor(s) we might detect a pattern.
    from cpuinfo

    processor : 0 [...7]
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 7
    model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5405 @ 2.00GHz
    stepping : 10
    cpu MHz : 243.593
    cache size : 6144 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings : 4
    core id : 0
    cpu cores : 4
    fdiv_bug : no
    hlt_bug : no
    f00f_bug : no
    coma_bug : no
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 13
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm pni monitor ds_cpl tm2 xtpr
    bogomips : 3992.88

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    Ramhost.us 192MB VPS default install
    total time: 0.61889386177063 seconds

    Knownhost VS3 VPS
    total time: 1.77417898178 seconds.

    These are the only two accounts I have my account info ATM, when I get a back to the office I'll run it against some others. I was surprised at KH's results but despite this the websites/WHM/CPanel load very very quickly.

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    total time: 0.00394606590271 seconds. on a 4 year old VPS from PowerVPS. I guess that's good.

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    We are working out a solution with Liquiweb and will probably be upgrading to a dedicated server.

    I still see one of their main flaws (just like most hosters out there) is that they use the same stuff to support $10 shared hosting, $100 VPS and $800 dedicated accounts. Since I don't intend to use their support (knock on wood) it is not really a problem and they do have 24/7 staff that does respond quickly. Although, it does feel like you need to go back and forth 2 or 3 times per ticket, before they actually try to understand what you are saying....

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    ldcdc that could be the reason right there. The E5405 is quad-core server CPU. My VPS was on a AMD Opteron 2212 (nearly a PC graded CPU).....

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    0.960947036743 HostGator (shared)
    0.632030010223 VPSLink (Link-4)
    0.580991029739 WiredTree (1024 VPS)

    Tested all of them again at 2 other times to see if there was a difference due to load at different times of the day or anything - HostGator differed by ~0.010, VPSLink by ~0.005, and WiredTree by ~0.001 . So pretty consistent numbers all around.
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    This might help a newbie to the VPS offers

    Here is a link to a rough draft of what I learned the last few days:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...75#post6434375
    Last edited by webpan; 10-09-2009 at 07:57 AM.

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    Chris, at this time I do not have a VPS or Dedicated, however, I have heard from many people that thehosted.com's VPS and Dedicated servers are very good. I have shared web hosting through them right now and pay only $5.00 each month. I have used hostgator, godaddy and many others, but of all of the ones I have used, TheHosted LLC has treated me the best as far as web hosting goes and at an extremely low rate versus the competitors out there.

    The VPS servers at thehosted.com range between 25.99 to 85.99/month and the dedicated servers run between 99.00 to 164.00/month with all different amounts of space and bandwidth. I would recommend them as I have used them for approximately three to four years combined under a former domain (allhitsradio.net) and my current domain (exdevradio.net). Good Luck on your search!

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    I have two VPSs with LiquidWeb --- Both of them are the Linux Basic VPSs --- --- One of them shows 8 cores, the other 4 (at twice the slice speed)(now these VPSs are running sites and email right now)

    total time: 1.18648409843 seconds.
    total time: 1.92028403282 seconds.

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    I switch to a liquidweb dedicated quad core (Q9400) and now i get:

    total time: 0.480062961578 seconds.

    Very happy!

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    Liquideweb dedicated server

    total time: 0.585738182068 seconds.

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    These php speed tests rely on a single cpu when most of the servers in question are quad core's. It can't factor in the server may be a quad core server basically. So these times your getting is like seeing how fast a race car can go in city traffic.

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    These are my VPS results:
    0.44 HawkHost
    0.54 RapidSwitch
    0.56 Linode
    0.58 Fsck

    Quote Originally Posted by KnownHost View Post
    These php speed tests rely on a single cpu when most of the servers in question are quad core's. It can't factor in the server may be a quad core server basically. So these times your getting is like seeing how fast a race car can go in city traffic.
    As you say, most will be multi-core anyway, so taking that into account would probably just accentuate the difference between the fast and slow, eg. 4 cores will increase the difference 4-fold.

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    At elstir:

    php 5.2.10

    total time: 0.40091896057129 seconds.

    The script don't work with php 5.3.0

    Undefined variable: j in C:\__________________.php on line 4
    Last edited by festuc; 10-10-2009 at 01:12 PM.

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    I have a liquidhost VPS that I have been having tons of trouble with Hence finding this thread. All sorts of problems for several months now... they just want me to upgrade, it seems.

    total time: 1.93981003761 seconds.


    The last change they made has me receiving anywhere from 5-10 emails per second about 'Mysql has gone away' Nice. Would love to say this is for a heavy traffic site, but all sites on my VPS are not heavy traffic and combined do not equal a moderate traffic site.

    I've been with them for 2 years and loved them before, but this issue has been getting worse and worse. a HUGE bummer, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdogi View Post
    I have a liquidhost VPS that I have been having tons of trouble with Hence finding this thread. All sorts of problems for several months now... they just want me to upgrade, it seems.

    total time: 1.93981003761 seconds.


    The last change they made has me receiving anywhere from 5-10 emails per second about 'Mysql has gone away' Nice. Would love to say this is for a heavy traffic site, but all sites on my VPS are not heavy traffic and combined do not equal a moderate traffic site.

    I've been with them for 2 years and loved them before, but this issue has been getting worse and worse. a HUGE bummer, IMO.
    Sorry to hear about your troubles! Why do they state that you should just upgrade, they give any reason to use that for a solution?
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  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by cakvala View Post
    Sorry to hear about your troubles! Why do they state that you should just upgrade, they give any reason to use that for a solution?
    Memory. Although this is the same stuff that's been running for the full 2 years with little problems the first 1 1/2 years.

    they say vBulletin is notorious for memory hogging, but I can't find anything, anywhere to substantiate that... plus I have vBulletin instances on all my VPS' out there with no problems.

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