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09-30-2009, 04:04 AM #1Web Hosting Master
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Unlimited/Unmetered Bandwidth
I believe this has been discussed before, thought I should bring it up again. Why are unlimited/un-metered bandwidth offers banned from the advertising forums, while we see 20,000GB offers for $1 month without any rules or restrictions against them?
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09-30-2009, 04:43 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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I believe only unlimited is banned, I see unmetered a lot in the dedicated section and sometimes the VPS section But yeah, it's still a bit silly seeing the blatant overselling.
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09-30-2009, 05:15 AM #3Big fan of RajiniKanth!!!
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09-30-2009, 05:32 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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No unlimited/unmetered space, unlimited/unmetered bandwidth, or lifetime plan offers. Posting such offers will lead to the thread being removed and may cause your account to be suspended. If you sell unlimited or unmetered space and/or bandwidth plans on your site, you cannot advertise that site on WebHostingTalk. You cannot create a metered plan to sell on WHT while you offer unmetered plans on the site you link to.
I think we had a fair amount of discussion on it.
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09-30-2009, 08:44 AM #5Retired Moderator
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I agree with your argument Ali. It seems counterproductive to me to effectively ban Yahoo, Godaddy etc, which, while not perfect, are serious companies, and allow a 16 year old with a dedicated server (at best) to offer 20TB for $5. We're not protecting anybody anymore.
However, each time the issue was raised, there wasn't a majority of members that were ready to embrace what would be a quite revolutionary change on WHT (allowing "unlimited" hosting offers). We have lots of respectable members with businesses built around service quality rather than numbers in offers (although a good number of them were well on the cheap side when they first started out, but that's another thing), and they like the WHT as it currently is.
"Unlimited" is as much a heated subject of debate as "overselling". There are arguments on both sides, but at the root of it all are people's various beliefs on what's right and what's wrong. Most people have a natural resistance to changing religion, and this is quite a similar thing really.
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09-30-2009, 05:51 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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If you read almost any overselling topic, people would rather see Unlimited compared to 20,000GB. It's still overselling with no projected numbers.
I just don't see it as a reasonable rule anymore since the industry is moving in another direction which is not based on disk space/bandwidth limits but instead on other resources.
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I too find it silly that 20-50TB disk/bandwidth offers are allowed and respectable companies who have been around for years with "Unmetered" plans can not post advertisements.
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Hello,
I believe this rule needs to be re-written to specify that any host that is offering an impossible amount of space cannot advertize here (At least until they start making 100 TB Hard Drives). Unmetered should only be allowed on dedicated servers. Unmeeted VPS Bandwidth should be banned as there is no way that can happen.
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10-01-2009, 10:09 AM #10Retired Moderator
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I believe this rule needs to be re-written to specify that any host that is offering an impossible amount of space cannot advertize here
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10-01-2009, 10:31 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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hmm.. Here we go again... Ha... Another topic on this issue, sure it would be nice to be open.
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10-01-2009, 11:22 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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I don't get it nether, We all try to help the people buying by telling them that Unlimited is not a good thing and all but yet people would go and post a ad for like 200,000GB for 1$ and that person that we told unlimited is not good or a real high amount of disk space or bandwidth isn't nether they still will go after that in-till they get the baddest service ever and come complaining on WHT.
Also for a lot of young kids or people should I say they are around 14-17 they get a dedi server and half the time they don't know what to do with it and put them selfs in high risk by offering such big plans that they can stabilize on there server and then ether they shut down or don't or pay the bill and switch to another host and bring problems.
If you were to really look into it and think of it you'll understand it like I do. Its kinda complicated.
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10-02-2009, 10:28 AM #14Junior Guru
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Unmetered != unrestricted (which is what unlimited is/implies).
However, I don't see any reason why WHT has an obligation to protect users from making bad purchasing decisions. The forum is here for people to discuss and offer feedback on the services received etc. and therefore any company offering a poor level of service and not living up to its promises should not have a lasting (positive) reputation in these parts.
Rules pertaining to product specifications are just unnecessary IMO. It should be for the user to evaluate each advert on their own merits, just like it is if they use a search engine (Google don't decide to block a hosting company from their listing just because they offer bad service/support/products?).UK, Chicago, & Singapore Fully Managed Plesk VPS
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Isn't that why I said that it was != unrestricted (i.e. not equal to... meaning that it has restrictions)?
The point is that unmetered is (ought to be) clear that it isn't unlimited per se, just that it isn't measured. Whilst with unlimited you are saying: "there are no limits" (aka unlimited), but then saying "except for these ones" which are hidden aware is TOS etc.
This is the distinction. However, with respect to bandwidth I believe that it's only appropriate to discuss 'unmetered' within the context of simultaneously (with similar/equal clarity and prominence) stating the port speed or similar (i.e. the restriction). Otherwise the ethics of the situation are potentially somewhat similar to the 'unlimited' debate.
As for the 2000000,000000TB disk space type offers, I believe these should only be considered valid offers if there are no further restrictions (or at least, the restrictions should be clearly stated and given appropriate prominence). Otherwise, as someone stated earlier in this thread, there is no genuine distinction between this and 'unlimited'.
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Well ever since cloud computing has become more involved In the hosting industry I think believe this rule should be banished no longer are there needs for such rules.
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10-03-2009, 04:32 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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You are still limited by the cloud.
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10-03-2009, 07:32 AM #23Web Hosting Master
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But are the servers unlimited?
But your right there is an end... but where is the question...Automated, Secure & Low Cost cPanel Backups (on the cloud)
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10-03-2009, 07:51 AM #24Junior Guru
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It's technically possible to add as much space as requested by any single user, but that doesn't mean that it's unlimited or that the provider will actually allow it to happen; any provider offering "unlimited" will still require some sort of clause in their TOS to get them out of difficult positions - even if they're prepared to take a loss on a small proportion of customers using higher than average resources, the size of the loss they'll accept is not unlimited
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