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    Canadian health care

    This morning I woke up with pain in upper back. I phoned my family doctor few minutes before 9 and by 9:25 I already had prescription for tylenol 3 and referal for X-ray. It took about 10 minutes of waiting in pharmacy to get pills and another 50 minutes of wait time in hospital for X-ray. About 2 and a half hours since my initial phone call I had already taken pill and had X-ray done (my family doctor probably already has images and she will get in touch if there is any need for it). I spent $11 for the prescription and that is about it.

    Just thought this was worth posting considering all mentions of "horrible Canadian health care system" from our Southern neighbours.

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    Some Americans don't accept Obama as the president, thats the reason why they are fighting this new health care bill. If it was Bush it would have been a different story... just my two cents.... the real America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLgjRHOBKA0

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha View Post
    Just thought this was worth posting considering all mentions of "horrible Canadian health care system" from our Southern neighbours.
    But you wouldnt be able to afford it if you actually had to defend yourselves and didnt have your Southern neighbours to defend you Seriously though, I have never said Canada had bad health care, but have said ours should be more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webdude View Post
    Seriously though, I have never said Canada had bad health care, but have said ours should be more like it.
    You say that and your from Texas? Lone star leave me alone state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert View Post
    You say that and your from Texas? Lone star leave me alone state?
    I bet he's from Austin.

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    Wonderful post Sasha.

    I too fail to see how so many Americans can be so worried of the new system.

    One thing I will say is our system does fail the rich when it comes to "I want it now". That's where I do like the American system. If I had the $ to replace my heart and wanted it ASAP, I *should* be able to pay for it.

    With that said, NOBODY should EVER EVER EVER have to live in poverty or debt due to health. Reading some of the horror stories of un-insured Americans really makes you appreciate the "free" healthcare system we have here.

    Imagine a family member needing life saving surgery and then spending the rest of your life paying that surgery off... seems wrong.

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    You guys should watch this short clip on government healthcare..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg

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    Yes from Texas, from Houston actually. The health care issue affects all states. It's my belief that it is simply wrong for the health industry to see dollar signs when they meet a kid with cancer, or other versions of people about to see their death beds. Our health industry really isnt that great. 90% of the time you get referred from one doctor to another, each charging you for your short visit. In the end, you finally get to a doctor who does the miraculous... and prescribes PILLS. For the average person, you generally walk out with a pill prescription. What exactly did the health care industry do to earn that $5000 bill they charge you with? To me that isnt health care. I believe there have been cures discovered for various ailmenst, including cancer.... but there isnt much profit in "cures". However, there is HUGE profit in "control and treatment". Our health industry isnt about health, its about money. Instead of prescribing medicine for health issues related to over eating, write a prescription that says "get off your fat butt and go to the gym 3 times a week". For the price of some of this medicine, you could go to a personal trainer instead. If insurance will pay for the medicine, it should offer the better alternative and pay for the trainer instead. That would be cheaper on insurance in the long run.

    As for what Obama is doing, he's simply attacking the middle man, the insurance. Yes insurance is a problem, but to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are stuck between the health insutry and the consumer. The real problem is in the over priced greedy health industry itself. You cant expect insurance to keep rates low if they have to pay so much to health industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphillips View Post
    You guys should watch this short clip on government healthcare..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg
    I just watched it and I am happy to say, based on my own experience almost nothing in that video is true. I am not sure where to start

    - Family doctor lottery
    This is my 3rd family doctor. Since I moved in to Canada my prior doctors moved away and I was re-assigned to new ones. I did not spend not one day without family doctor. I am sure that in some smaller community somewhere might be a situation where for some period off time there is major shortage of doctors and not all people have family doctor - but that is hardly the rule. Even when you do not have family doctor, there is number of walk-in clinics and emergency. My longest wait in emergency was 4 hours (which at that time did piss me off but I understand that minor burn on my leg was not as important as someone having hart attack)

    - Flying people to US by helicopter thing.
    In Canadian health care priority is patient's well-being. If that means that someone has to be flown to some place in order to get proper care, government will pick up tab for that flight. When my wife went into labour 2 months ahead of time, she was flown to Halifax to IWK Grace hospital (one of the world's best medical centers dealing with premature babies). It is hard for me to express how grateful I was for Canadian health care. Between us going to hospital and her being taken to Halifax was only minutes, so I had to stay behind and arrange some things. When she arrived to Halifax they delayed the labour. She had no wallet on her, so they gave her couple hundred dollars for small expenses while she way staying in hospital. I arrived next day and they moved her to private room and gave me cot, so I can stay in hospital with her. Week after baby was delivered they were flown back here (this time by plane because it was not emergency any more).

    - Sheik and bishop travelling to US for medical treatment.
    This is true. In Canada they would be just another patient. You do not need to be millionaire around here to get the best health care you need.

    - Wait time for CT scans, MRI, appointment with specialist.
    My wife had a stroke few years ago, so she needed all those. Yes there is a wait time, but it was in days not in months. BTW, when she did have stroke she spent almost two months in hospital on rehabilitation. There was no predefined limit on time she was there, as long as they thought additional rehabilitation can benefit her, she was staying there.

    - Protests about insufficient coverage.
    Sometime when there is very new drug or treatment, it is not immediately added to the list health care covers. In those times, people do protest, complain, write to their Member of Parlament - and things change. That is the way government should function.

    If I missed something, ask away. Canadian health system is definitely not perfect but I do not know the system I would trade it for. Entire family gets yearly exams, when we need appointment with doctor we get it and we are by no means special. If that is not enough, additional coverage can be purchased from Blue Cross or one of the other insurance companies (prices are still only fraction of what you would pay in US).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekhu View Post
    Imagine a family member needing life saving surgery and then spending the rest of your life paying that surgery off... seems wrong.
    Or they are flat out denied because their credit/income sucks...

    The movie John Q was on the other night, it's this exactly. I suggest everyone watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha View Post
    This morning I woke up with pain in upper back. I phoned my family doctor few minutes before 9 and by 9:25 I already had prescription for tylenol 3 and referal for X-ray. It took about 10 minutes of waiting in pharmacy to get pills and another 50 minutes of wait time in hospital for X-ray. About 2 and a half hours since my initial phone call I had already taken pill and had X-ray done (my family doctor probably already has images and she will get in touch if there is any need for it). I spent $11 for the prescription and that is about it.

    Just thought this was worth posting considering all mentions of "horrible Canadian health care system" from our Southern neighbours.
    +1 for the Canadian health care system.

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    I love my UK health care system as well, I woke up this morning with a pretty bad eye infection. Went to the doctors (within 30mins) and was given a prescription, all I had to pay for it was $8 and that was it, its looking better already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    I love my UK health care system as well, I woke up this morning with a pretty bad eye infection. Went to the doctors (within 30mins) and was given a prescription
    I had nearly the same exact scenario here in the U.S. Called my doctor's office and explained my condition (eye infection), they said to come right in, got a script for antibiotics + eye drops. Paid cash for the doctor's visit ($60) and paid $4 each for the antibiotics & eye drops from wal-mart.

    Another U.S. example, from maybe 2-3 years ago... I had some sort of sinus infection... got right in the docs office, $60 for the visit and the doctor gave me the antibiotics for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    all I had to pay for it was $8 and that was it, its looking better already.
    I'm curious, how much in additional taxes do you think you paid over the past year in order to have the government provide that level of service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mekhu View Post
    I too fail to see how so many Americans can be so worried of the new system.
    I think what it mostly comes down to is a lack of faith and mistrust in the federal government. It's common knowledge in the States that our government is full of wasteful spending, lies and corruption.

    It's also a matter of freedom, which there still remains a strong sense of in the U.S.

    Then there is the issue of legality. As per the Constitution, which is the highest / supreme law of the U.S., this is a State issue and not a federal issue. The federal government has no legal constitutional authority in this matter.

    Besides, how would we pay for it? The U.S. is nearly drowning in debt. Seems it would be both fiscally irresponsible as well as immoral to provide another new set of "free" services for this generation at the expense of the next generation.

    Before the U.S. thinks of any great new plans, maybe we ought to figure out a way to pay for everything that we're already doing?
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    john2k,

    Wonderful reply. Thank you for the insight.

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    John2k,

    The thing is though, thats fairly small problem. If I had a really serious problem... can't think of something off the top of my head but if your insurance provider refused to pay for it, what would you do? NHS can't refuse to do it and it's all included, I wouldn't pay a single penny towards any company or govt. It's all picked up by the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    The thing is though, thats fairly small problem.
    I agree. But, should insurance even be used for small problems, anyhow? Shouldn't insurance be for the really big expenses, the catastrophic expenses, with all the small stuff being better to pay for yourself?

    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    If I had a really serious problem... can't think of something off the top of my head but if your insurance provider refused to pay for it, what would you do?
    I'm not really sure. Definitely would be quite a predicament. Breach of contract comes to mind, especially if it was something that they were contractually obligated to cover, but that wouldn't be of much immediate help as lawsuits do take a lot of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    NHS can't refuse to do it and it's all included, I wouldn't pay a single penny towards any company or govt. It's all picked up by the state.
    Where do you suspect that the state gets all the money/resources for providing these services?
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    Man, we are so lucky here in Canada to have such an amazing health care system like no other in this world.

    I am so greatfull to have such a thing here. Rich or poor, you get the same royal treatment. I have countless relatives in my home country just die because of expensive and insufficent government hospitals.

    My mom's brother is on his death bed because of this. He has all the money but it can't buy him health care.

    I think that our neighbours down south should agree for the health care system. I used to work in the US under TN visa, it was a pain in the butt to get a perscription, pay $20, file papers for insurance, etc.

    For all the tax dollars we pay, I do not complain as I know the value of Health Care, my father had a heart attack 10 years ago, if he was not in Canada, he would have probably died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbgohan View Post
    Man, we are so lucky here in Canada to have such an amazing health care system like no other in this world.

    I am so greatfull to have such a thing here. Rich or poor, you get the same royal treatment.
    That does sound like a great thing for the people.

    There are issues with regards to accomplishing the same in the U.S.:

    1. Legality - the Federal Government has zero Constitutional authority to make or enforce any such laws or mandates. This is the legal territory of the States, not the central gov, and at least a few States are moving to block the Federal Government from attempting to enforce this unconstitutional law upon their people.

    2. Paying for it. How could it be possible for a bankrupt nation to pay for such an enormous expense? Become even more bankrupt? Surely there is a financial tipping point beyond which we will never be able to pay our national debts. If the U.S. ever passes the financial point of no return, then the problems we face as a nation will far exceed this issue.

    If only the U.S. would maybe follow Canada's lead regarding so many issues then our States might be able to afford this type of health care as well as funding so many other issues. Canada doesn't spend trillions maintaining a worldwide empire. Canada isn't in a near perpetual state of war. Canada doesn't, or at least not as significantly, take the wealth of their people and send it to everyone else in the world. We have people here at home in the U.S. who need help too, but our political representatives could care less about them. A truly compassionate and law abiding Congress would bring our troops home, cut off financial aid to other nations (because we are broke ourselves), mind our own business and focus on fixing our problems here in the U.S. before we continue trying to tell the rest of the world how they ought to be living.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgohan View Post
    I have countless relatives in my home country just die because of expensive and insufficent government hospitals.

    My mom's brother is on his death bed because of this. He has all the money but it can't buy him health care.
    That is a real shame. Who is preventing your brother from buying health care services? The government will not let him?

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgohan View Post
    I think that our neighbours down south should agree for the health care system. I used to work in the US under TN visa, it was a pain in the butt to get a perscription, pay $20, file papers for insurance, etc.
    Health care in the U.S. is nowhere near as complicated as you make it out to be. My guess is that the problem was not with the system as a whole but with the medical facility that you chose to do business with. Or maybe you were required to fill out the medical history docs so that they could treat you properly (and without causing further damage to your health regarding allergies, etc)?
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    You see I am not really sure about how everything in the US works however would love to see a health care system like Canada's there.

    Quote Originally Posted by john2k View Post
    That is a real shame. Who is preventing your brother from buying health care services? The government will not let him?
    Its not my brother but my mother's brother (my uncle). The thing is that the resources are limited in third world countries, even if you have money, it does not guarantee that you will get health care due to the hospital beds being full.
    Also most of the people who can afford health care go to private hospitals in which the doctors ripp you off. Even these private hospitals are full and only take patients by referral. My uncle has spent his life savings and yet still he is not taken care of. He has hepatitis b which is a very common thing there.

    The government hospitals are such a shame, they are over crowded.
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