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    what are limits of unlimited plans offered by most webhosts

    these days many good web hosts are offering "unlimited" thing
    I wonder what are limits of this unlimited thing.
    and how it is possible to offer unlimited bandwidth, disk space in couple of dollars.
    any idea?

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    You will be limited to upload the files that are used only for your website. You will not be able to store any offline files in your web hosting account space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *********** View Post
    these days many good web hosts are offering "unlimited" thing
    I wonder what are limits of this unlimited thing.
    and how it is possible to offer unlimited bandwidth, disk space in couple of dollars.
    any idea?
    "unlimited" web hosts set arbitrary limits for you. You will never know if your usage constitutes their definition of normal usage or not. In their TOS most hosts do not allow resource intensive tasks like video streaming and file storage, and essentially limit you to what you will find with non-oversold hosts (which is acceptable for the shared platform). Of course they charge you more for it since it's advertised as "unlimited". Figure out how much resources you will need, and buy a non-oversold package to meet those needs. No risks, cheaper, better.

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    You will never know if your usage constitutes their definition of normal usage or not.
    Usually in their Terms of Service they do state the usages as to or per account can consume and over a certain time. If this is not stated in their Terms of Service then it would be advised to contact their Sales Team to get more of a technical answer

    Most webhosts will have different restrictions, ItsJustHosting may be aware of this. For example ItsJustHostings allowed E-mails to be sent per hour per domain is "30" as to others it is "200", It does vary with many hosts and if you intent to run an intensive site then you would be best to talk with the webhost you take interest in...

    IJH has some great points though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH-Sean View Post
    Usually in their Terms of Service they do state the usages as to or per account can consume and over a certain time. If this is not stated in their Terms of Service then it would be advised to contact their Sales Team to get more of a technical answer

    Most webhosts will have different restrictions, ItsJustHosting may be aware of this. For example ItsJustHostings allowed E-mails to be sent per hour per domain is "30" as to others it is "200", It does vary with many hosts and if you intent to run an intensive site then you would be best to talk with the webhost you take interest in...

    IJH has some great points though.
    Yes, things do differ from host to host, which is why it's always recommended you read the TOS of the host you're interested in and to ask the host questions if you intend to do something that you're not sure about being allowed or not. Some sites place security as a higher priority, which has the downside of perhaps limiting some of what you can do. Some Unlimited hosts are more vague than others in their definition of "normal usage", I highly doubt that even if you follow the TOS exactly and manage to use massive amounts of disk space or bandwidth, the unlimited host will let you use it, they will find some excuse to suspend you, because they would be losing money. It's always best to know the limits beforehand.

    If the host doesn't limit you on disk space and bandwidth, your next limit is their profit margin, and you will never know what that limit is. If a host guarantees a certain amount of disk space and bandwidth for a reasonable price, then at least you know the limit and can do something about it when/if you approach that limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *********** View Post
    these days many good web hosts are offering "unlimited" thing
    I wonder what are limits of this unlimited thing.
    and how it is possible to offer unlimited bandwidth, disk space in couple of dollars.
    any idea?
    The concept of unlimited web hosting is a fantastic fantasy it sounds so wonderful but the reality is you can never fulfill your dream of desired shared web hosting resources if you go beyond the hidden limits that these types of hosts never specify up front.
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    need to know these limits

    need to know what could be these limits?
    for example inodes

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    The hosts Terms of Service will describe limits more in depth but you are asking the right questions. How can a good provider offer unlimited disk space for a few dollars a month when a 1tb Hard Drive much more?

    An inode is a data structure which is used primarily on Unix based operating systems (Linux/Mac). An inode is used to store basic information about a system object (such as a file or folder). The inode limit is effectively a file limit as files tend to have only one inode assigned to them.
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    That could be (depending on the web hosting provider)
    - RAM usage limits
    - CPU usage limits
    - DB usage limits

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    Some limits include but not limited to:
    amount of files (sometimes called inodes cause they want to confuse people as much as possible)
    amount of ram used for 90 seconds or more
    amount of CPU used for 90 seconds or more
    how much DB you can store
    and of course you can't run cron jobs less than 15 mins on most hosts cause it'd kill the server

    Disk Space: probably 200-300 GB if you're lucky, usually you'd have to have so many large files to file this up and the chances are it's illegal so some companies will investigate who's the space hog and suspend / terminate you.
    Bandwidth? Since your'e sharing a 100mbps duplex with about 300 people or so, divide 40TB / 300 = amount of bandwidth you get per month dedicated to you. If you're lucky you can probably get 1TB out of it if the rest of the users on the server don't use up their share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberForum View Post
    That could be (depending on the web hosting provider)
    - RAM usage limits
    - CPU usage limits
    - DB usage limits
    You missed a big one I/O problems...


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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyPenguin View Post
    You missed a big one I/O problems...
    alright agree. Thanks for adding

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    Its hard to use up a lot of disk space unless your running some sort of site that requires lot of CPU usage, by then your site most likely will be suspended/terminate (due to TOS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberForum View Post
    That could be (depending on the web hosting provider)
    - RAM usage limits
    - CPU usage limits
    - DB usage limits
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt - HostMist View Post
    Some limits include but not limited to:
    amount of files (sometimes called inodes cause they want to confuse people as much as possible)
    amount of ram used for 90 seconds or more
    amount of CPU used for 90 seconds or more
    how much DB you can store
    and of course you can't run cron jobs less than 15 mins on most hosts cause it'd kill the server

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    These resources are similarly limited in limited plans and mentioned only in the TOS and not part of either plan's bullet points

    The only thing unique about an unlimited plan is the absence of an artificial or arbitrary quota for (usually) diskspace and bandwidth. Otherwise there is no difference

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    ToS says that "unlimited" means as long as your resource consumption doesn't negatively affect other accounts hosted on the same server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric_pu View Post
    ToS says that "unlimited" means as long as your resource consumption doesn't negatively affect other accounts hosted on the same server.
    That restriction is present on limited accounts also. If you have a 1GB plan and your 250 mb website is negatively affecting performance then what difference does it make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collabora View Post
    That restriction is present on limited accounts also. If you have a 1GB plan and your 250 mb website is negatively affecting performance then what difference does it make.
    This is a good point, you could very quickly create a 2 or 3 kb script (or smaller) that could crash a server if you really wanted to do it and as such even a larger script could fully be capable of using a lot of resources and causing issues
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    It really depends host to host.
    I'd recommend against going with a host that doesn't offer unlimited service, it's better to go with a host where you actually know your limit

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    Most 'unlimited' offers are limited to 1 ~ 10 GB GB disk space and/or 10000 ~ 50000 inode limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eticaret View Post
    Most 'unlimited' offers are limited to 1 ~ 10 GB GB disk space and/or 10000 ~ 50000 inode limits.
    And how does that affect 99.9% of the sites suitable for any shared account? -- They are under 250mb.

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    It affects all of them, since unlimited disk space offers require overselling.

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    They all limit you with different methods, all are BS except from one... DreamHost.

    DreamHost spells it out and tells you what to expect; and they deserve some credit for doing that in my opinion.

    DreamHost Unlimited AUP.

    What do you mean "Unlimited"?

    What we mean is, you don't have to worry about disk storage or network transfer when your site gets popular.

    You DO still have to worry about plenty of other things though... if your site isn't well optimized and is causing issues for others on your shared server (either because it's pounding the CPU, hogging RAM, or doing tons of disk I/O), you may be asked to sign up for your own DreamHost Private Server.

    Trust us, every host out there has exactly the same limitations.. we're just trying to be up front about them!
    What about databases?

    You're certainly allowed an unlimited number of MySQL databases, but in the interest of server stability we request that you try to keep them optimized and no larger than a few GB in size.
    What's not allowed in "Unlimited"?

    Basically, sites whose essential purpose is to use disk or bandwidth.

    When making a website, you should be thinking about "How can I make an interesting site for my visitors while minimizing my server storage, bandwidth, file system, memory, and cpu impact as much as possible?"

    The result will be a better experience for your visitors, your web host, and yourself!

    Here are some specific examples of things not allowed:

    * Copyrighted content you are not the copyright holder of.
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    * A site created primarily to drive traffic to another site.
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    Hey, that doesn't sound very "Unlimited" to me!

    Actually, for you, my dear Legitimate Website Owner, it is unlimited.

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    Unlimited is limited to fair usage policies, they just don't put limits on your usage but it is still limited.

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    "unlimited" is web hosting's "all you can eat" offer. It's "all you can eat", but the location closes at a certain time. It's all you can eat, but there won't be an infinite supply of a certain dish etc.

    Some of the limitations are easy to foresee, others are not. Still, as long as the vast majority of customers get their $7 worth of service/food, there will little you can argue about, and the offer will have its definite following.

    Shared hosting (unlimited or not) is all about sharing. No matter how many clauses there would be in a TOS agreement, there will likely be situations that are not expressly stipulated, and will fall under a general "resources abuse" clause. So if there is a "limit" that we can talk about, it must be the amount of money that you pay. $100 unlimited shared hosting (if you can find such) will likely give you more than $2 unlimited hosting will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eticaret View Post
    It affects all of them, since unlimited disk space offers require overselling.
    Most hosts that offer limited plans oversell so chances are you will be with an overselling host with your limited plan. For those that claim they do not oversell, there is no way to verify.

    Moreover, there is nothing wrong with overselling. Perhaps you are confusing overselling with overloading?

    On the other hand if you offer unlimited, you cannot oversell...by definition. To oversell requires a predetermined quota. There is no such quota in an unlimited plan

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    To me this question does not make sense:

    "what are limits of unlimited plans offered by most webhosts"

    If there are limits to an unlimited plan...then that plan is NOT unlimited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry - WH View Post
    To me this question does not make sense:

    "what are limits of unlimited plans offered by most webhosts"

    If there are limits to an unlimited plan...then that plan is NOT unlimited.
    In the so-called "unlimited plan" the stuff that is limited is usually diskspace and bandwidth. There are other types of resources that can have limits in an unlimited plan.

    Reading this thread at the beginning would have made this clear.

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    Silly rabbit, unlimited means it has no limits. If someone were to offer you an unlimited plan and then place limits on it then it would border on a scam or false advertising.

    Seriously though, stay away from "unlimited" crap. It's all garbage and most of the hosts will find ways to TOS you.
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