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  1. #1
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    Thumbs up Google Updated their PR information and they said "YES"

    I have been wondering if PR is a factor or not when it comes to SEO, especially becuase our site has a high PR, and so do a lot of our Website Builder Clients.

    I am not going to say alot here, and you can decide this on your own, but my opinion is YES, PR does matter, here are the links from GOOGLE that say so.

    Google ranking information (please note the date provided by GOOGLE 8/19/2009)
    http://www.google.com/support/webmas...n&answer=34432

    Google Technology information about PAGE RANK!

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    PageRank Technology: PageRank reflects our view of the importance of web pages by considering more than 500 million variables and 2 billion terms. Pages that we believe are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results.
    PageRank also considers the importance of each page that casts a vote, as votes from some pages are considered to have greater value, thus giving the linked page greater value. We have always taken a pragmatic approach to help improve search quality and create useful products, and our technology uses the collective intelligence of the web to determine a page's importance.

    and link
    http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

    (Remember to keep in mind that this shouldn't be a top priority)
    Last edited by Moxie Maxwell; 09-08-2009 at 12:58 AM.
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    Google penalises sites that try manipulating their PR. What does that tell you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainchild View Post
    Google penalises sites that try manipulating their PR. What does that tell you?
    That PR matters as a ranking factor
    Last edited by Jamie Edwards; 09-08-2009 at 06:19 AM.
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    I m waiting for google update

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Edwards View Post
    That PR matters as a ranking factor
    Wrong. To the contrary they get pissed off with people who don't nderstand thatr it's dishonest to buy and sell PR. Something newbies most certainly don't want to go near.

    Next question: Why is it most newbies do not seem to understand this?

    Finally lets look at a pracical example. Fifty links from PR0 throw away links directories will get a page to hop and skip in the serp's for a targetd search string. Whereas all it takes is one link from a PR8 page to get the other page to PR4 if not PR5. Will I see that other page in the serp's? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainchild View Post
    Finally lets look at a pracical example. Fifty links from PR0 throw away links directories will get a page to hop and skip in the serp's for a targetd search string. Whereas all it takes is one link from a PR8 page to get the other page to PR4 if not PR5. Will I see that other page in the serp's? I doubt it.
    I guarantee that your 50 links from a "PR0" page will not let you 'hop and skip' above the SERPs for high volume and high value search phrases (such as "help desk software" or "credit card"). Perhaps for your longer tail, lower value phrases - yes. But certainly not for the high value terms, especially since the Google Vince update.
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    What I don't understand is why you believe that the PR8 link will only work on search terms such as credit cards or have I misunderstood you? What is it that gives a link the oomph to drive help desk software ? The age of the domain? The age of the link? Or what? What are you trying to say? You would take a link from a PR8 six month old 'quality' directory over a spam free PR0 diretory that is eight years old?

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    Anyone know of a good reliable test for PR for individual pages? Also does the PR of a site have any bearing on individual pages?

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    Hi,
    Does the PR factor consider website's age? How the website's age PR will grow as much is it so?

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    If PR wasn't important then why would they make it public on toolbars. PR is one of the most important factors

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    If you don't understand go out and buy the filthy stuff, and return with all the answers as and when get yourself to #1. In the interim I will keep building my links and managing the resources which always have and always will work.
    Quote Originally Posted by motherknucker View Post
    If PR wasn't important then why would they make it public on toolbars. PR is one of the most important factors
    It keeps the masses chattering and this works very well, for Google that is.

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    are you still going on about this and how your 50 no PR diorectorys are worth something.

    Pr isnt the end of ther world, and is over emphasised by many in the SEO game, but its not worthless.

    50 directories in which the homepage holds no PR are worthless.

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    WOW THAT means good result for ppl like us who use google a lot. Thanks
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    You couln't be more wrong. We did a practical on this forum and have a site ranking on the first page of Google for a search on 'yellowwood furniture'. And whilst it isn't 'viagra' or 'hoodia' it's good enough for us. We did it in less than three months using using the directories as they were announced on Digital Point. Five submissions a day was all it took and yes I am still going on about PR0 sites because they work and for one reason or another you don't want anyone to know that.

    Odd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainchild View Post
    You couln't be more wrong. We did a practical on this forum and have a site ranking on the first page of Google for a search on 'yellowwood furniture'. And whilst it isn't 'viagra' or 'hoodia' it's good enough for us. We did it in less than three months using using the directories as they were announced on Digital Point. Five submissions a day was all it took and yes I am still going on about PR0 sites because they work and for one reason or another you don't want anyone to know that.

    Odd?
    OK 5 submissions a day for 3 months for a phrase like yellowwood furniture ?

    Now im not sure what yellowwood furniturte is but a search for "yellowwood furniture" on google gives me 253 results.

    I could fart and rank for that !

    Alos which market were you in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by this charming manc View Post
    OK 5 submissions a day for 3 months for a phrase like yellowwood furniture ?

    Now im not sure what yellowwood furniturte is but a search for "yellowwood furniture" on google gives me 253 results.

    I could fart and rank for that !

    Alos which market were you in ?
    In the three months we secured thirty to forty odd, different search phrases and this will allow us to start using the site and market products being produced by local craft workshops. But the point you are missing, is that the directories work and for those of us that are not neck deep in the rarefied world of cyber spam, they work very well.

    Having established that, what do you recommend? Links from well established sites? Getting your links onto sites that will allow them to mature and grow or does an eight month old PR7 directory do the trick and is that what floats your boat?

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    if you have no budget ...

    Do the following some quality forum posting on do follow blogs.

    Write 2 or 3 articles and submit them to the top 5 article submission sites.

    Find someone who has doen some decent blog commenting and revesre engineeer there blog backlinks.

    but honestly if "yellowwood furniture" is the quality of keywords, you should be able to get that on onpage alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by rainchild View Post


    In the three months we secured thirty to forty odd, different search phrases and this will allow us to start using the site and market products being produced by local craft workshops. But the point you are missing, is that the directories work and for those of us that are not neck deep in the rarefied world of cyber spam, they work very well.

    Having established that, what do you recommend? Links from well established sites? Getting your links onto sites that will allow them to mature and grow or does an eight month old PR7 directory do the trick and is that what floats your boat?

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    Yes it is true that google increase those site PR which has more traffic come.

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    Why does it seem like every thread in this forum turns into the same debate over PR? It's a known fact (Google has published it) that PR plays a role in your site's ranking for Google search results. This does not mean you should go out and buy PR as this is clearly Black Hat practice. However, it doesn't mean that you will not find a "hidden gem" on your own either. Any legit one-way link you can find that lasts long term is the goal. With that said, any link can also fall off the charts at any time as well, regardless of PR. You just have to go out and put the time in.

    All I am saying is that you should do your research and find out what works for you as long as it's within the guidelines of acceptable search engine optimization techniques. Don't look for links based on PR and don't be concerned with your own PR if the actual goal is to obtain higher rankings in the SERPs. Yes, Google looks at the PR of sites linking to you, but it's definitely not worth getting busted for trying to manipulate your own PR.

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by S2 Web Design View Post
    Don't look for links based on PR and don't be concerned with your own PR if the actual goal is to obtain higher rankings in the SERPs. Yes, Google looks at the PR of sites linking to you, but it's definitely not worth getting busted for trying to manipulate your own PR.


    Makes sense but why do we end up with posts like this?

    Quote Originally Posted by strongest11 View Post
    Yes it is true that google increase those site PR which has more traffic come.


    What is going wrong? Where are people getting these sort of ideas? Why do we still have threads asking when the next update is taking place? Why are there still people who do not understand that there is every reason not to build for PR?

    Quote Originally Posted by S2 Web Design View Post
    Why does it seem like every thread in this forum turns into the same debate over PR?


    Why can we not discuss make up of a quality link and whether a link matures with age? What should one be looking for? Where do you find quality sites offering long term value? What is relevance other than a fuzzy nice to have?

    Quote Originally Posted by this charming manc View Post
    Do the following some quality forum posting on do follow blogs.
    Was that forum posting or blog commenting? How many comments do you need to make to get ranked for viagra and hoodia or was that help desk software? How many users on this forum are going pick up that bit about quality and how long do you think it's going to take, how many 'comments' do you think its going to take before the owner switches to 'no follow'?

    You see this is where directories pull way ahead of the pack. They are set up with the express purpose of listing sites and offering back links. They are easy to submit to. Simple to use, legitimate and if run properly they will last forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by this charming manc View Post
    Write 2 or 3 articles and submit them to the top 5 article submission sites.

    Duplicate content? Traffic or serp's? Good articles are expensive to write and are used to finesse and fine tune the results you get with filler.

    Quote Originally Posted by this charming manc View Post
    if you have no budget ...
    Start with the free directories and get in fast. That is whilst they are still accepting submissions. They work. Work as well as any other link

    Quote Originally Posted by this charming manc View Post
    but honestly if "yellowwood furniture" is the quality of keywords, you should be able to get that on onpage alone.
    I think you are missing the point I made. Those directories were all we needed to get the results we needed. They got us started and as we grow the site we will build on the results we have. And I would guess that the same applies to 99% of the webmasters passing through here.

    They don't need to be stuffed around and fed a whole lot of guff they will never use let alone understand.
    Last edited by rainchild; 09-09-2009 at 10:52 AM.

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