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    Why is extra hard drive always a monthly price??

    For..every dedicated server hosting company except calpop.com ive seen, extra hard drive is always a monthly payment.. like for hostgator, 70dollars a month for 1tb.. 50dollars a month for peer1.com.. Do you guys know any other hosting companies that lets customers to acutally buy the harddrive with one time payment like calpop.com..? I was gonna go with calpop.com but i heard a lot of negative reviews about them..

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    Most providers will allow one-off payments for hardware, you won't physically own the drive but it's a great way to cut-costs if it's a long-term investment.

    But yes, most providers will allow it, all you need to do is ask!

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    Well, I won't talk about the high prices in your first post since my reason won't apply to that.

    Most of the time we also ask a monthly fee, for two reasons:

    An harddrive uses more power, more power means less servers per rack, so more costs for power and rackspace
    When the harddrive is broken it has to be replaced, asking the customer again for a fee would be weird since is was a "one time fee".

    I'm not sure if i can say this, but we also offer it for a one time fee, most of the times a little more than the actual price.
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    hard drives use power which is a recurring cost thats why most companies charge for hd's monthly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberhouse View Post
    hard drives use power which is a recurring cost thats why most companies charge for hd's monthly.
    That is far from the reason why people charge a monthly cost for hdds.

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    Some providers will even let you ship your own drive.

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    i use to get them one time fee at netdepot and Tailoredservers.com

    Don't expect same price as newegg, you are also receiving a service included in the price (hands, replacements, energy, etc)
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    Most companies that physically own their hardware will allow you to pay one-time fees for certain hardware. Generally it's a matter of contacting their sales department or a member of management (even though sales should be able to clear pricing for you).

    If you don't see pricing on their website, give them a shout. Let them know what you need and see what they're able to do for you. If they can't do it, chances are (not all times), the probably don't physically own the hardware and they're not allowed to resell such services to customers.

    Any "big name" provider, HiVelocity, ThePlanet etc should be able to do exactly what you want since they physically have access to and own their HW.
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    i guess it comes down to how much companies charge for an extra hard drive. if hostgator does indeed charge 70dollars a month for a 1tb hard drive, that is a bit expensive, because in one year you would pay more than $700 and the hard drive costs a lot less than that.

    I think hosting companies should charge watever the hard drive costs, like a one time $300 and then whatever the increased power usage etc will cost, but i don't see how an extra hard drive can use an extra $70 a month of power etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim987 View Post
    if hostgator does indeed charge 70dollars a month for a 1tb hard drive, that is a bit expensive, because in one year you would pay more than $700 and the hard drive costs a lot less than that.
    Hostgator is just reselling The Planet. Providers always try to mark up the cost of upgrades like additional RAM and hard drive space to make more money. Resellers mark that cost up even more.

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    Just contact them and they will probably let you do it, they just make a lot more money off of renting them out on a monthly payment basis

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    1) Monthly fees include replacement costs for said hard drive.
    2) There may be other costs capital costs involved that are included. Servers that can accommodate more drives usually cost significantly more (a 2 drive 1U chassis costs about 1/4 of a 4 drive 1U chassis).
    3) Additional hard drives can result in a higher utilization of other resources like bandwidth, or increased load for the server resulting in higher total power, not just the power for the drive itself. An active server can use twice as much power as an idle one.
    4) Monthly cost may include the labour for hard drive installation and/or replacement.

    This is not to say that some companies aren't making a healthy margin off their hard drives, but it's important to recognize that there are far more costs than just the physical hard drive itself.
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    like for hostgator, 70dollars a month
    Funny you say that they only just did that I guess...
    Monthly cost may include the labour for hard drive installation and/or replacement.
    Thats right If your hard drive fails are you happy to pay labor + a new hard drive atleast with a monthly plan your hard drive can be replaced fast avoiding downtime.
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    i have a question if we pay onetime fee for harddisk but we canceled the server.will the provider send physical hdd?
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    NO..........

    Quote Originally Posted by yajur View Post
    i have a question if we pay onetime fee for harddisk but we canceled the server.will the provider send physical hdd?

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    NO..........
    Haha that was a weird one...
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    FDCServers offers Hard Drives for a one-time setup fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hhw View Post
    3) Additional hard drives can result in a higher utilization of other resources like bandwidth, or increased load for the server resulting in higher total power, not just the power for the drive itself. An active server can use twice as much power as an idle one.
    This appears to be the main reason. Most providers oversell as it is. For example if they include 2000gb with every server they know that 99% of users out there will not use anywhere close to that much bandwidth. But when a user wants a hard drive or ram upgrade the likelihood that he will use his full quota increases.

    In the case of hard drives it means that, if the user is a hosting provider, he will be able to cram more customers on the same server. More customers means more bandwidth usage and that means increased costs for the server provider.

    The other reason is that base server configs don't make providers much money. Upgrades are a good way to make more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajur View Post
    i have a question if we pay onetime fee for harddisk but we canceled the server.will the provider send physical hdd?
    It depends, you can ask the provider. But do you pay a second harddrive if the first one fails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzServers-J View Post
    Most providers will allow one-off payments for hardware, you won't physically own the drive but it's a great way to cut-costs if it's a long-term investment.

    But yes, most providers will allow it, all you need to do is ask!
    Some don't even if you ask for it :-(
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    The only reason we dont offer one-time fee for HDDs is because of their failure rate compared to other parts of the server.
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    Most companies can work with you to get you a One time installation cost. But the hardware will still remain to the hoster. If you decide not to keep services, it doesn't mean that they will ship the HD to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net View Post
    Some don't even if you ask for it :-(
    Because some places are just focussed on getting as much profit as possible out of say a 250GB drive, they'll probably keep it in action for 2 years if it hasn't already failed

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    From what I have found by reading and price shopping with the costs per month for up-grades and add-ons it is cheaper just to do a full server upgrade.
    Get a quote with the additional items you need and have more than one company give you a price, this is great for comparisons.

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    It's commonly done that way to fit the same business model as the server rental itself. Ask around and many would be happy to do it with a single upfront cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzServers-J View Post
    Most providers will allow one-off payments for hardware, you won't physically own the drive but it's a great way to cut-costs if it's a long-term investment.

    But yes, most providers will allow it, all you need to do is ask!
    i agree with him you can ask for it.. you dont lose anything asking

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    The problem of doing one time pricing for components such as hard drives is how do you handle replacements when it goes bad? Part of that monthly fee is kind of like insurance. For that monthly fee the provider is responsible for replacement of the hardware with a new replacement and labor. With a 1 time purchase that responsibility falls to the client. So you as the client either gets to pay another 1 time fee (even if it has only been 1 month) if you want new hardware or the drive gets shipped to you and you can RMA the bad drive you bought and ship it back to be put back in the server. In addition you are also responsible for the tech time to replace the drive.

    I personally do not get one time purchases of hard drives for a dedicated server. You get all the drawbacks of colo while losing all the advantages of a dedicated on the one piece of equipment that is guaranteed to fail. For components such as ram or CPU I can see it, but for a hard drive it makes no sense.

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    Don't hard disks come with gurantee? So y is there a problem with one time price?

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    Since when does warranty cover the costs to replace it? People, time, spare parts, shipping old harddrive etc.
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    The extremely minimal operating/replacement costs can be worked into the one-time fees. There's no reason a provider can't offer both monthly an one-time options unless they don't value your business.

    EDIT: This applies to smaller upgrades, e.g. 1 disk to 2 disks. If a chassis swap is required then a monthly increase would be valid in addition to the one-time HDD fees.
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    When you rent a server you are not renting the sum of its parts. Whatever you say about the hard drive can be said about any of the components -- so why not just purchase the server yourself? Because, you are not renting a pile of computer parts, but a product with a certain set of features that have an added value greater than the value of each part combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collabora View Post
    When you rent a server you are not renting the sum of its parts. Whatever you say about the hard drive can be said about any of the components -- so why not just purchase the server yourself? Because, you are not renting a pile of computer parts, but a product with a certain set of features that have an added value greater than the value of each part combined.
    To replace an harddrive it takes ~ 15 minutes, that's 4 in an hour. Which will be around 10 euro.

    Still left: power usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberhouse View Post
    hard drives use power which is a recurring cost thats why most companies charge for hd's monthly.
    I have no problem with that, but I have a problem when hosting providers charge $20/month for a 320 GB drive that costs only 50 bucks on newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136098)

    With my provider I am in a 1 year "contact" so over that time I have to pay $240 for a 320GB hard drive. Since I have 2 its actually $580 for 640 GB of storage. These 2 drives are not using $480 worth of power.

    And if the drive fails when its under warrantee the hosting provider doesn't really loose anything since they can just have the manufacture to replace the drive.

    I will never pay monthly for a drive anymore, except for the one that comes with the server, because in the long run it saves a lot of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santema View Post
    Since when does warranty cover the costs to replace it? People, time, spare parts, shipping old harddrive etc.
    The drive manufacture sometimes covers the drive shipping cost both ways. Seagate has in the past for me.

    Most of the web hosts costs can be recovered when a drive fails if the failing drive is still under warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlewis23 View Post
    I have no problem with that, but I have a problem when hosting providers charge $20/month for a 320 GB drive that costs only 50 bucks on newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136098)

    With my provider I am in a 1 year "contact" so over that time I have to pay $240 for a 320GB hard drive. Since I have 2 its actually $580 for 640 GB of storage. These 2 drives are not using $480 worth of power.

    And if the drive fails when its under warrantee the hosting provider doesn't really loose anything since they can just have the manufacture to replace the drive.

    I will never pay monthly for a drive anymore, except for the one that comes with the server, because in the long run it saves a lot of money.
    I agree on you with that. We charge ~ 5-10 euro's per harddrive depending on the size of it. That's pretty reasonable I think.

    There are also some other factors.

    When a second harddrive is ordered they have to build a customer server, as soon as the server is canceled they need to remove it again etc. But, the main goal is just to make profit.

    There are also some positive things about a setup fee for extra hardware, the main thing is that the customer is serious and want the server for a longer period. That's is the reasson we offer also a one time fee, the rest is service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santema View Post
    To replace an harddrive it takes ~ 15 minutes, that's 4 in an hour. Which will be around 10 euro.

    Still left: power usage.
    There is more to dealing with a hard drive swap than plug and play. The hard drive in question has other expenses associated with it. Now I agree, $70 per month is a bit steep but you are not only paying for a 15 min swap and the price of the disk alone, there is the storage, packing , logging, tracking, power, and all of the other associated logistical items that go along with every piece of hardware in a data center.
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    When I was referring to the tech cost associated with replacing a hard drive I did not mean a drive that was for backups for example. I have seen requests for onetime payment for drives that will be used for /var for example. Replacing a failed drive in such a situation is more that a 15 minute job of opening a case and replacing a drive. A onetime cost for a drive that is used for only backup is reasonable.

    Also as far as replacement drives. A recertified drive received from a RMA is not the same as a new drive and I would personally never put such a drive in a workstation much less a server. About the only thing such drives are good for is going directly to eBay.

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    ^ Very true, most provider offer both monthly and one time fee, some only offer one time fees.

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