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    * Review: DreamHost has been down and down and down

    From the last week up till now, my websites at DreamHost keep going down frequently, amounting to approximately 20% downtime according to a pinging service I use.

    In fact not just the last week but 1 or 2 months back, similar problems occurred again and again. And further back, .... Seems they are constantly haunted by server reliability problems all because of overselling.

    The control panel and the support are both not bad but I'm just sick of overselling, shame I have prepaid 2 years to them. But no more.

    Switching in a few days. God I want a truly worry-free host for my sites so I can focus on my job.

    I'm currently considering servint.net and linode.com, or a bargain introductory server at theplanet.com. Good move? Liquidweb seems decent too but not sure.
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    I think every hosting company should have an anthem....

    Here's one for Dreamhost...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPJuJSVmNA

    On a serious note...have you tried looking in the offers section?

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    You paid prepay of 2yrs, Why?
    - Personally It is always best to pay on a monthly basis and that is a recommendation of my own because it would save you money in the long run if such problems as this occured...
    Have you tried contacting Dreamhost in regards to these server issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH-Sean View Post
    You paid prepay of 2yrs, Why?
    - Personally It is always best to pay on a monthly basis and that is a recommendation of my own because it would save you money in the long run if such problems as this occured...
    Have you tried contacting Dreamhost in regards to these server issues?

    Sean
    Its not like you can try Dreamhost out for a few months and see if you like it before going annually, considering they charge you $50 in setup fees if you want to go monthly. That and their control panel (perhaps to discourage people from switching) and overselling make for some questionable business practices. Regardless I hope the OP can resolve his/her issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustHosting View Post
    considering they charge you $50 in setup fees if you want to go monthly.
    That's just bad. Smells like a rip off.

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    Its not like you can try Dreamhost out for a few months and see if you like it before going annually, considering they charge you $50 in setup fees if you want to go monthly. That and their control panel (perhaps to discourage people from switching) and overselling make for some questionable business practices. Regardless I hope the OP can resolve his/her issues.
    Shows that not much research was taken, Don't you think?
    - They may be a successful service but would you signup with a service that was charging $50.00 setup fee to where many mnay others charge $0.00 for a monthly service?

    Seriously that just shows you there business practise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH-Sean View Post
    Shows that not much research was taken, Don't you think?
    - They may be a successful service but would you signup with a service that was charging $50.00 setup fee to where many mnay others charge $0.00 for a monthly service?

    Seriously that just shows you there business practise.
    Big name hosting companies are too influential, Dreamhost doesn't need to care if it charges $50 in setup fees while other hosts charge $0, they know many clueless people are coming to them for hosting (thanks in part to a large advertising budget), and will be convinced due to the $50 setup fee to instead go via the annual route, without knowing fully what they're getting into. And it's not like Dreamhost is cheap either, even if you go the annual route.

    I stick by my philosophy that you can get better service for cheaper prices with more honest practices from smaller hosts who can't rely on their size and marketing budget to attract clients and must instead do so by providing good service and support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustHosting View Post
    Big name hosting companies are too influential, Dreamhost doesn't need to care if it charges $50 in setup fees while other hosts charge $0, they know many clueless people are coming to them for hosting (thanks in part to a large advertising budget), and will be convinced due to the $50 setup fee to instead go via the annual route, without knowing fully what they're getting into. And it's not like Dreamhost is cheap either, even if you go the annual route.

    I stick by my philosophy that you can get better service for cheaper prices with more honest practices from smaller hosts who can't rely on their size and marketing budget to attract clients and must instead do so by providing good service and support.
    I'm not the praying type, but AMEN!

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    amounting to approximately 20% downtime according to a pinging service I use.
    Are you witnessing this downtime yourself? 20% downtime sounds terrible, and I would imagine that there would be more than one complaint about it around if this has been going on for months.

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    Huh,i though noone hosting on dreamhost anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustHosting View Post
    I stick by my philosophy that you can get better service for cheaper prices with more honest practices from smaller hosts who can't rely on their size and marketing budget to attract clients and must instead do so by providing good service and support.
    This is (in my personal experiences) true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustHosting View Post
    Big name hosting companies are too influential, Dreamhost doesn't need to care if it charges $50 in setup fees while other hosts charge $0, they know many clueless people are coming to them for hosting (thanks in part to a large advertising budget)...
    Too true, too true. And its a source of frustration, to say the least, as overselling hosts gobble up customers with relentless guerilla marketing, and smaller hosts with higher quality and service standards struggle.

    But that's the trap too....ever try to be a new host and get noticed without spending much money (in a reasonable timeframe)? Forums like this sometimes help, but they often sport rather tight rules about what you can say and what you can't say, and in what color or font and every so many days, etc.

    So your choices seem to be: 1. Spend several years establishing yourself and posting in the "Offers" sections of various websites hoping to get noticed among the crowd of others (a gamble, to put it mildly), 2. Spend a lot of money on marketing/SEO (not always an option), or 3. Hire some salespeople and give away chunks of what little profit you actually make early on.

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    Huh,i though noone hosting on dreamhost anymore.
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    I'm also curious if you experienced the downtime yourself. Otherwise, my advice is just to move.
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    dreamhost... Who is that? Oh yeah that's where I get half my customers from lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave - Just199 View Post
    dreamhost... Who is that? Oh yeah that's where I get half my customers from lol.
    Funny how that works; several of my customers came from GoDaddy hosting, where they said it was slow and awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldcdc View Post
    Are you witnessing this downtime yourself? 20% downtime sounds terrible, and I would imagine that there would be more than one complaint about it around if this has been going on for months.
    Yep, 20% is just for this week though, with reports from a pinging service I signed up. I'm online for like 12 hours a day and check my site frequently so pretty much sure the downtime estimate is correct.

    You can click on my sig to see that the sites are still down for now. I've given up contacting the support.
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    As of right now both of your sites are loading for me Of course downtime is usually intermittent.
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    It is normal where sometimes the hosting server are undergoing some maintenance which can due to downtime. But you mentioned that your website went down few times on 1 week? It is better you work with them to sort this problems out. Maybe they can transfer your hosting account to another server which are more stable.
    You can either work together with them or find yourself a new host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDVB View Post
    As of right now both of your sites are loading for me Of course downtime is usually intermittent.
    Indeed and that can be due to your ISP as well and your web hosting provider sometimes have nothing to do about that.

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    sorry to hear about that. If you want a truly solid host, go with 1 of the big 1's. Thats your best bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDVB View Post
    As of right now both of your sites are loading for me Of course downtime is usually intermittent.
    It is. I too saw it come back online for like 30 minutes and now it's down again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberForum View Post
    Indeed and that can be due to your ISP as well and your web hosting provider sometimes have nothing to do about that.
    I'm pretty tech oriented and I don't think it's that easy to fail to distinguish the real downtime to the fault of my ISP.

    FTP and SSH also keeps going down. Everytime I contact the support they say they are rebooting the server and everything should be all right in a few minutes but it just keeps going down again and again. Maybe they are rebooting the servers for fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH-Sean View Post
    You paid prepay of 2yrs, Why?
    - Personally It is always best to pay on a monthly basis and that is a recommendation of my own because it would save you money in the long run if such problems as this occured...
    Have you tried contacting Dreamhost in regards to these server issues?

    Sean
    I don't agree that paying monthly is better due to the lose of discounts if you pay yearly. I think you should contact DreamHost managers and ask for reimbursing your expenses when you were down.

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    You originally posted you were thinking about the Planet and a couple others.

    I moved from Bluehost to a reseller account with HostGators whose servers are housed by The Planet. Out of the choices you listed, I would personally pick the Planet. Whatever you do, get out of Dreamhost. Had a friend with similar issues a year ago. Its not a good spot to be in, with any host provider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwebhost View Post
    sorry to hear about that. If you want a truly solid host, go with 1 of the big 1's. Thats your best bet.
    Dreamhost is one of the Big 1's and that surely does not guarantee anything beyond the fact that you will be treated like a number.

    Go with a company that will get to know you personally and save yourself these headaches.

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    You can click on my sig to see that the sites are still down for now.
    I tried them at the time of my initial post. They were up then.

    I suggest you try Pingdom's free service for a while and don't monitor pings, monitor HTTP. But, that's for the future, as it looks like you have personally experienced the service interruptions.

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    i ran away from DreamHost and i m glad i did so.their uptime and mySQL was not good for me...i dont recommend it to anyone unless someone want to pay 50 for shared hosting setup fee...lol

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    I visited your sites and they loaded pretty dang quick and nice, so I'm also curious if you've experienced it yourself. I am biased to Hostgator myself, but I'd never heard DreamHost was that bad before. In the past when I tested them they were pretty reliable (except for that billing gaffe and their response which ticked me off) , but I haven't tried them recently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geekfer View Post
    I don't agree that paying monthly is better due to the lose of discounts if you pay yearly. I think you should contact DreamHost managers and ask for reimbursing your expenses when you were down.
    While you make a valid point about discounts, I disagree with what you are saying. The web hosting industry can be extremely volatile and great hosts come and go (or get sold) simply because they can't afford to pay the bills due to the massive amount of competition. If this happens, you are probably going to eat the yearly payment you have made and have no other choice but to search for a new host.

    As far as "big" hosts are concerned, they do generally offer a sizable discount if you pay for a year or two in advance but they also have a higher likelihood of downtime and unstable servers (as we have seen here) due to overcrowding or abusive users as well as slow or otherwise inadequate support. I am extremely wary of "big" hosts who give you the hard sell on paying for a year in advance and push you towards doing so by significantly raising the price if you wish to pay month-to-month, quarterly, etc. It works well for them in that it is guaranteed money and they are assuming less risk that you will leave (and eat the loss) but could be disastrous for you if it turns out to not be to your liking.

    I always recommend paying month-to-month for the first few months and then if you are satisfied, paying quarterly thereafter for the first year. This gives you a fair amount of time to gauge the quality of service and support your host offers and gives you the freedom to leave at your own will without suffering any substantial loss. If you are satisfied and comfortable with the stability of your host after one year's time, then paying semi-annually or annually can be an option but I'm still kind of sketchy about it.

    I'm not taking a shot at the OP here, who the heck wants to pay a $50 set up fee, but putting all of your eggs in one basket with a service that has not proven anything to you is a mistake. The only exception to that, for my anyway, is if you are getting a "funny money" deal (say, less than $30 for a year) and even then I still would not host an important site with them unless they have a solid and well established track record.

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    I know why they're called Dreamhost by the way.....

    Because you have to be asleep to believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave - Just199 View Post
    Dreamhost is one of the Big 1's and that surely does not guarantee anything beyond the fact that you will be treated like a number.

    Go with a company that will get to know you personally and save yourself these headaches.
    Have you hosted with DreamHost before? If, so can you please let me know which domain you hosted there?

    For the benefit of the community, you may wish to stop making claims about a company which with you likely have zero experience.

    We get that you'd like free advertising for your web hosting company, but if you're going to post in a thread at least try and provide some meaningful insight and not just an attempt to bash a company and comment on they way they operate internally and with their customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangyang2036 View Post
    From the last week up till now, my websites at DreamHost keep going down frequently, amounting to approximately 20% downtime according to a pinging service I use.

    In fact not just the last week but 1 or 2 months back, similar problems occurred again and again. And further back, .... Seems they are constantly haunted by server reliability problems all because of overselling.

    The control panel and the support are both not bad but I'm just sick of overselling, shame I have prepaid 2 years to them. But no more.

    Switching in a few days. God I want a truly worry-free host for my sites so I can focus on my job.

    I'm currently considering servint.net and linode.com, or a bargain introductory server at theplanet.com. Good move? Liquidweb seems decent too but not sure.
    I'm truly sorry to hear about the issues you've experienced. 20% downtime really is unacceptable and is not indicative of DreamHost's service as a whole. I haven't see any other customers complaining about anything as severe as this, so it may be an issue specific to your account or server.

    I see that you submitted a ticket about this issue and that it was answered by a representative about 5 days ago. Have you been experiencing issues since then? If so, please feel free to submit another ticket so that the issue can be researched again for you. Make sure to include the fact that you've been having ongoing issues and would like a server administrator to look into the issue to find out what's ultimately going on here.

    Again, sorry for your trouble. This is not considered "normal" for us, and indeed the nearly 900,000 domains we're hosting generally experience little to no downtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelS View Post
    Have you hosted with DreamHost before? If, so can you please let me know which domain you hosted there?

    For the benefit of the community, you may wish to stop making claims about a company which with you likely have zero experience.

    We get that you'd like free advertising for your web hosting company, but if you're going to post in a thread at least try and provide some meaningful insight and not just an attempt to bash a company and comment on they way they operate internally and with their customers.
    Nice to see DreamHost respond even to the typical uninformed answers we sometimes encounter here from people looking for free advertising of their sig sites. (at least try to make an effort folks!)

    The whole thing is suspect a bit, since he's never seen it himself. I wonder which pinging service he used, etc. 20% seems way too high to not have witnessed it himself (or any of us constantly visiting his sites which are running perfectly).

    Which pinging service is it? Is it Pingdom? Is it commercial or one you run yourself (in which case perhaps it's a problem on your end?) there's a lot to consider there, especially since you've never witnessed this 20% downtime (which is earth shatteringly bad).


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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelS View Post
    I'm truly sorry to hear about the issues you've experienced. 20% downtime really is unacceptable and is not indicative of DreamHost's service as a whole. I haven't see any other customers complaining about anything as severe as this, so it may be an issue specific to your account or server.

    I see that you submitted a ticket about this issue and that it was answered by a representative about 5 days ago. Have you been experiencing issues since then? If so, please feel free to submit another ticket so that the issue can be researched again for you. Make sure to include the fact that you've been having ongoing issues and would like a server administrator to look into the issue to find out what's ultimately going on here.

    Again, sorry for your trouble. This is not considered "normal" for us, and indeed the nearly 900,000 domains we're hosting generally experience little to no downtime.
    Thanks for the response in light of this, Mike.

    Sadly, I was just tweaking some wordpress widgets on kavoir.com and it suddenly went down once again after about 1 day without any noticeable downtime. It's been like 20 minutes and kavoir.com as well as other sites I have at DH are still down for now when I'm writing up this reply.

    Update:

    basicstate.com has sent me 2 alert messages and neither could I get through to any of my sites via proxy sites. I'm sure of the downtime. Also, I keep timing out with FTP and SSH too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus255 View Post
    Nice to see DreamHost respond even to the typical uninformed answers we sometimes encounter here from people looking for free advertising of their sig sites. (at least try to make an effort folks!)

    The whole thing is suspect a bit, since he's never seen it himself. I wonder which pinging service he used, etc. 20% seems way too high to not have witnessed it himself (or any of us constantly visiting his sites which are running perfectly).

    Which pinging service is it? Is it Pingdom? Is it commercial or one you run yourself (in which case perhaps it's a problem on your end?) there's a lot to consider there, especially since you've never witnessed this 20% downtime (which is earth shatteringly bad).
    20% is not earth shatteringly bad at all. 100% is. But is it possible? Of course. How? For example, in the past 60 minutes, my site downtime at DreamHost is 100%.

    So, while a 60 minutes downtime (actually longer than that now as my FTP client has just finished a seventh timing out) of 100% is possible, what makes you so sure that a 7 day 20% downtime is impossible? Well, I admit it that I was much too angry at first and exaggerated a little bit. According to my monitor service, basicstate.com, the uptime of the worst day from the past 7 days is slightly above 80%.

    Also, that's weird that things at my end suddenly and particularly prevented me from accessing my sites at DH but allowed me to freely and successfully load the rest of the sites in the world.



    Just took a look at those time stamps and this downtime is well over 1 hour now. Still keeps timing out on FTP which I was just connected to more than 1 hour ago. SSH is negative too. Tried a few more proxies and none of them can get me through to my sites.


    Seems I'm from a rather different time zone than that of US, the WHT time stamp is 6AM and I doubt many of you can be witnessing this downtime yourselves.
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    Just got a confirmation from an Australia based friend that the site (that means, of course, all of my sites) is still down at his end. Now it's been over 1.5 hours according to basicstate.com alert messages time stamps in my Gmail inbox. What I hope is maybe the folks at DH are currently fixing things up once and for all.

    I'll keep an eye on my sites and you updated when the site comes back online.
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    I cant access kavoir.com at this moment

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    It's been a consecutive 2 hours and 30 minutes downtime now.

    I couldn't:
    1. directly access my sites
    2. access my sites via web proxies
    3. get a green reading at http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/kavoir.com
    4. log into my server via FTP
    5. log into my server via SSH

    I could:
    1. freely access other sites.

    My sites are not high-profile and the estimated loss from adsense are about $40 - $50 (that's just adsense) in the past week, not much but still. I've been having a really hard time yet some of you thought I was a liar and some shameless self-promoter. Shame on you.
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    I still have a account with DreamHost, and love them. My cluster has good uptime and I have experienced only two major issues during my time at DreamHost.

    I have been a customer since 2005, and here is my proof.
    http://i32.tinypic.com/kd1z48.jpg

    I envy DreamHost, and wish I had the market-share they had. Not to mention, their control panel isn't that bad.
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