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    Is there still a market...?

    Hey,

    I've seen a BIG boom in the whole "$100~ Core2Quad market" over the last couple of months, is there actually still a demand for the low end stuff like P4's, Celeron and Athlon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzServers-J View Post
    Hey,

    I've seen a BIG boom in the whole "$100~ Core2Quad market" over the last couple of months, is there actually still a demand for the low end stuff like P4's, Celeron and Athlon?

    JS

    Demand older P4's, Celeron and Athlon servers is shrinking daily, but they still have a market...as long as the price is significantly low enough. Pentium-D CPUs & older Dual Xeons are creeping down to the same price range, so I would expect before you know it there will be no need for P4's, Celeron and Athlon much---as you can only go so low on the price until it is just not worth operating them any longer.

    Rackspace, power, cooling, and bandwidth are all fixed expenses, and once the hardware is not bringing in enough revenue to cover those expenses and justify taking up a spot on the rack, it no longer makes sense to offer it. This is primary reason we do not offer the Atoms, as for the revenue they bring in, we do not feel the shelf-life will be long enough in the long-run, regardless of lower initial hardware cost and minimal power consumption. There is not much room to decrease when revenue on a brand new servers starts at $50 to begin with...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurstNET View Post
    Demand older P4's, Celeron and Athlon servers is shrinking daily, but they still have a market...as long as the price is significantly low enough. Pentium-D CPUs & older Dual Xeons are creeping down to the same price range, so I would expect before you know it there will be no need for P4's, Celeron and Athlon much---as you can only go so low on the price until it is just not worth operating them any longer.

    Rackspace, power, cooling, and bandwidth are all fixed expenses, and once the hardware is not bringing in enough revenue to cover those expenses and justify taking up a spot on the rack, it no longer makes sense to offer it. This is primary reason we do not offer the Atoms, as for the revenue they bring in, we do not feel the shelf-life will be long enough in the long-run, regardless of lower initial hardware cost and minimal power consumption. There is not much room to decrease when revenue on a brand new servers starts at $50 to begin with...
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    agreed..... i know a datacenter that just started scrapping the old machines and recycling them.
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    But, is there still a market for the P4's, Athlon + Celerons around that $50 mark do you think?

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    Haven't really seen a BIG boom in lower end market lately, although I think there will always be a niche demand.
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    Would be nice if someone could show/comparer their sales figures for a low end server in 1 month, 12 months ago to one month in the last few months

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    The demand on this low end stuff is definitely not their anymore.

    I can't even get rid of Dual Xeons - 4GB Ram - 4x 73GB SCSI for $70 a month - power alone will kill me, but it was just worth getting rid of most of these. Newer servers will save you half in power and are well, newer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney-E2 View Post
    The demand on this low end stuff is definitely not their anymore.

    I can't even get rid of Dual Xeons - 4GB Ram - 4x 73GB SCSI for $70 a month - power alone will kill me, but it was just worth getting rid of most of these. Newer servers will save you half in power and are well, newer.
    Pretty sure a VPS hoster on these boards is using similar spec boxes for host nodes - guess it's a case of getting 'something' out of them rather than nothing!


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    There is a small demand for low cost low end servers, these tend to be small site owners or people who like to tweak scripts, not everyone is looking to expand, I would rather have a server connected and making money rather than sitting on the floor collecting dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaber View Post
    There is a small demand for low cost low end servers, these tend to be small site owners or people who like to tweak scripts, not everyone is looking to expand, I would rather have a server connected and making money rather than sitting on the floor collecting dust.
    Exactly. Personally, I don't see the point in getting more than I ACTUALLY need, I quite like the smaller CELERON boxes

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    The problem is at $50 your basically just covering space/costs for the facility. Providers at the $50 server mark are using cogent (or other low end providers, even single drops) with free hardware as incentive to just fill up their space. A place where all those older machines makes sense though is a cluster for cloud hosting. If you tied these all together to sell an end product it wouldn't much matter what the individual box specs are. Like someone said above, even those older dual xeons could be useful if they're only holding a few vps or shared hosting, cloud offerings, saas or something along those lines.
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    I dunno about you guys, but I find low-end servers really good as sandboxes. I usually put my new apps or try out updates on my low end server before I move it to my main server. In addition, they also serve as good FTP servers for hosting some of my projects.

    So there you have it, one practical use of a low-end server from a consumer

    But I do get your point on it not being profitable for DCs in the long run, and yes, it still is very much a niche market.

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    And I am out of that market entirely now with the arrival of the <$50 Dual-Core Atoms. I have one and really love it. It's a great play place to do things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoCortland View Post
    And I am out of that market entirely now with the arrival of the <$50 Dual-Core Atoms. I have one and really love it. It's a great play place to do things.
    I'm no fan of the Atom's. I don't believe a whole generation of strong processors like the Celerons and P4's should be killed to one like the ATOM. I personally dislike the ATOM's and the ATOM-boom.

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    Judging by the screaming on the OVH forums over the increase in setup fee's/monthly fee's i'd say there is still a market for low end boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzServers-J View Post
    I'm no fan of the Atom's. I don't believe a whole generation of strong processors like the Celerons and P4's should be killed to one like the ATOM. I personally dislike the ATOM's and the ATOM-boom.
    ATOM's are nice... I've never been an Intel fan but I think they did well with the Atom's..

    Most legacy hardware is in low demand but there is still a market. If you can market it at a low price <$50 and provide some cheap unmetered 10Mbps bandwidth. You'll sell out in no time

    What was that company that tanked from Pittsburgh (I think) couple years back? All they sold were budget machines and they had ridiculous amounts of business. They just kept being shut off by their only provider (Cogent) due to spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serverorigin View Post
    ATOM's are nice... I've never been an Intel fan but I think they did well with the Atom's..

    Most legacy hardware is in low demand but there is still a market. If you can market it at a low price <$50 and provide some cheap unmetered 10Mbps bandwidth. You'll sell out in no time

    What was that company that tanked from Pittsburgh (I think) couple years back? All they sold were budget machines and they had ridiculous amounts of business. They just kept being shut off by their only provider (Cogent) due to spam.
    Yeah, cheap CAN attract the wrong type of people. But I'm not going anywhere near Cogent

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    I would consider legacy hardware as well, IF I could get the same memory/disk space I get with my Atom. That's really been the problem for me to justify spending more to get a machine with 512MB RAM and a 40 GB H/D.

    My last project with my Atom was testing/proof of concept with a large Domino installation (100 GB). I was actually surprised to see how well that went with the Atom, 1 GB RAM. It ran wonderfully, very little swap usage, and memory load was very low. I couldn't have done that on a legacy machine at the price I did it with my Atom.

    It's now deployed running backups, web/mail server for a dozen personal sites, a VNC server for work stuff. The performance for all of that is just fine, and the price is right.

    The other people I see using Atoms are like a client of mine who find that the Atom machines are quite sufficient processor wise but they really like the fact that the power draw is lower, or so they say.

    Bandwidth is not a problem for me or any of my clients. None of us has ever hit 1000GB in a month. We would buy cheap legacy machines if the perceived value was there - ie 1 GB Memory and a Decent sized H/D, say 200 GB +

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzServers-J View Post
    But, is there still a market for the P4's, Athlon + Celerons around that $50 mark do you think?
    Nope. Not when I can go get a box at places for $30 or $40.. like Serveraday or Interserver.
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    I love having a cheap box to play around with and test new things without the worry of bringing down an expensive server.

    I also screen IRSSI on one so I am always in IRC and all I need is to SSH to the box and read up on what I have missed.
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    We use alot of Small "Legacy" hardware systems for the development of vePortal, Celeron, P4 & AMD's anything <2.8MHz really, our aquisitions guys pickup the hardware from a local recycling firm for around the 25/server mark, and there great, but in a facility as said before me, The cost doesnt outweigh the income, it's a Developers machine now, On a personal note id put them on ebay as quickly as clients cancell/expire them. Get something for them before there totally phased out.

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