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    Red face How many clients on your server

    How many clients are you hosting on a server and what resources do you need for that? How did you tune Apache to support this amount of clients?

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    Quite limited in what one can say, Though we limit 50 per server to allow extra resource usage. Did not tweak anything, No need to at this point

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    I assume that is really depends on your customers. But at the same time we are trying to keep less them 50% CPU load. So on the same server you might have different number of the web sites hosted
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    I assume that is really depends on your customers.
    My assumption usually is that it depends very much on the price. In most cases the host will know that it needs say 200 accounts on a server of configuration X with average package price Y in order to meet its target profit. Change the X or the Y, and you need to change the number of accounts on the server.

    The servers configuration is only a small factor in the picture though, as other major costs per customer (support, advertising etc.) will remain more or less constant.

    Any customer that doesn't fit the environment is, in a more or less pleasant manner, asked to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldcdc View Post
    My assumption usually is that it depends very much on the price. In most cases the host will know that it needs say 200 accounts on a server of configuration X with average package price Y in order to meet its target profit. Change the X or the Y, and you need to change the number of accounts on the server.

    The servers configuration is only a small factor in the picture though, as other major costs per customer (support, advertising etc.) will remain more or less constant.

    Any customer that doesn't fit the environment is, in a more or less pleasant manner, asked to upgrade.
    Fairly accurate generalizations imho.
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    If you're looking to be able to put more clients on a single server you could also give LiteSpeed a try.

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    It depends of clients and their scripts and web sites, and server configuration.

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    As mentioned earlier, this definitely depends on the server configuration and/or type of clients. However when a company promises something with their hosting packages, they are responsible for delivering it, even if that means limiting the number of people per server to make sure what is promised gets delivered in terms of speed and resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldcdc View Post
    My assumption usually is that it depends very much on the price. [...]
    Any customer that doesn't fit the environment is, in a more or less pleasant manner, asked to upgrade.
    VERY true from what I have observed. You summed it up well.

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    A medium-sized server can reliably host at least 1,000 shared sites (a typical random mix of well-behaved "off-the-street" signups)

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    I think right now we have consolidated a lot of our older servers to newer runs so we are running at something like 400 clients per machine.

    Loads are still pretty low even with 400+ users. The thing is, probably only 150 out of the 400 are actively using their websites. The others are lucky to get a page view/day.

    It still perplexes me as to why they still pay me lol.
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    They pay you because they love you! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbbrock1 View Post
    It still perplexes me as to why they still pay me lol.
    Feel free to let them know they can come over and pay me.

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    yes

    Quote Originally Posted by igxhost View Post
    If you're looking to be able to put more clients on a single server you could also give LiteSpeed a try.
    litespeed ,needed

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    define clients. do you mean users in the home directory that can server http? If that is the case, most hosts are close to 500.

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    How many users you can have per server, also depends on the power of your servers, low power servers aren't going to cope as well as the high powered ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbbrock1 View Post
    The thing is, probably only 150 out of the 400 are actively using their websites. The others are lucky to get a page view/day.

    It still perplexes me as to why they still pay me lol.
    There are many reasons pages with no little to no traffic stay online.

    The webpage for my talking budgie, who passed away earlier this year, has only gotten about 4700 hits in about 6 years. While it will likely never be updated again (despite having a bunch of material we never got online), it also won't be going offline any time soon. Also got a site for a mostly dead irc channel that stays up, simply because it gives old friends and family a place to find us again and meet up with others they have lost track of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhizhinihao View Post
    litespeed ,needed
    It's not needed - having used Apache 1.3, 2.0, 2.2, and LiteSpeed versions 4.0.6 through 4.0.10 I can tell you that you really have two options - you can double the ram in the server and optimize Apache to be nearly as efficient in serving requests as LiteSpeed at the cost of RAM or you can go with the regular amount of ram and use LiteSpeed - both will give you about the same performance it just depends on if know how to optimize Apache and if you want to pay your provider for more ram or to pay that money to LiteSpeedTech for a LiteSpeed license.

    I wrote an article that compares the two (litespeed vs apache) which can be seen at http://www.mikedvb.com/2009/07/22/li...-2-in-my-eyes/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDVB View Post
    It's not needed - having used Apache 1.3, 2.0, 2.2, and LiteSpeed versions 4.0.6 through 4.0.10 I can tell you that you really have two options - you can double the ram in the server and optimize Apache to be nearly as efficient in serving requests as LiteSpeed at the cost of RAM or you can go with the regular amount of ram and use LiteSpeed - both will give you about the same performance it just depends on if know how to optimize Apache and if you want to pay your provider for more ram or to pay that money to LiteSpeedTech for a LiteSpeed license.

    I wrote an article that compares the two (litespeed vs apache) which can be seen at http://www.mikedvb.com/2009/07/22/li...-2-in-my-eyes/
    Well done. I completely agree. I'm completely against Litespeed and their buggy mess. We tested their load balancer as well as LiteSpeed WS for reverse proxy configs. Didn't take long for us to realize this was merely a waste of space on the server. Absolutely no support help. They offer FreeBSD builds but have noone that can help. Apache all the way, I'd never pay for a webserver when we can optimize Apache to run at comparable speeds with no cost.

    As for the number of users on a server.. Giving numbers here won't help you form an opinion. It's based on user usage, OS configs, hardware, resource allocations. Too many variables to be effective.
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    Personally we go based on server resource usage. It's a very tough call, as no one single number cannot dictate to you when you should stop adding new clients to a particular node. Should one particle resource be nearing our private acceptable limit, but the rest are well within limits, it may be reasonable enough for us to simply upgrade the server hardware instead of provisioning a new node.

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