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    Apple forced to sell goode iphone apps

    http://www.slate.com/id/2224340/

    I thought it was an interesting story and one I have heard over and over again about apple. One reason why I refuse to support apple. So many people view steve jobs as the next comming of christ, but in the end he is selfish and protective as all hell. They pretty much had to be forced into allowing the iphone to have 3ed party apps.

    I really liked the example of comparing it to an OS not allowing firefox to be installed because it is a competing application.
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    Apple have built their own ecosystem with iTunes and the App store. Who they let in there should be up to them and them alone. To have the government step in there with their "for the good of humanity . . .", well, that's a socialist past we shouldn't go down.

    The iTunes platform is a commercial ecosystem. It's a testament to how powerful the iTunes platform really is when you have competitors bashing on the door demanding they be let in there.

    BTW, what the heck is a "3rd party app"? Nearly all the apps there are made by developers who don't work for Apple, so not sure what this "3rd party app" is.
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    It brings up interesting anti-trust issues, and what should and should not be allowed.

    What complicates things more is that the iPhone is a closed ecosystem essentially -- if a vendor is banned from the App Store, they're out of luck. It is kind of like if Microsoft had found a way to stop Windows from running Netscape, in essence...? (sort of)

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    I like Apple for most things, but their super anti-competitive ways are sooo annoying i.e selling to only one phone network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH-Scott View Post
    I like Apple for most things, but their super anti-competitive ways are sooo annoying i.e selling to only one phone network.
    True, but surely AT&T also supported that provision, eh?

    On the plus side, Verizon is supposed to also have the iPhone next year, right...?

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    Of course they did, why would AT&T want to get rid of it when they can keep it to themselves. It's a win win situation for both Apple and the providers, for the consumer is another kick in the nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    True, but surely AT&T also supported that provision, eh?

    On the plus side, Verizon is supposed to also have the iPhone next year, right...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    . . . What complicates things more is that the iPhone is a closed ecosystem essentially -- if a vendor is banned from the App Store, they're out of luck.
    But what's wrong with a closed commercial ecosystem? Apple built it, and it's theirs to profit from.

    Maybe I'm missing something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
    But what's wrong with a closed commercial ecosystem? Apple built it, and it's theirs to profit from.

    Maybe I'm missing something here.
    While that is a good point, the article said that since it is over public waves, they cant. Thats a bad summary. But again compare that to if MS did not allow you to install any other application.

    Again I do agree with you for the most part. But we do not live in a pure capitalist society. There are rules that must be followed that have been setup. Its just really complicated. What if Google banned search results for similar products that they offered, such as email, payment processors, or web hosting(IF they did this in a future, just a hypothetical)
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    David, yeah, I see your point with the Google thing. I hadn't thought of it like that. Nothing is simple these days, when there's socialistic ideologies rubbing up against capitalistic ideologies. Somehow we find a middle ground, somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
    But what's wrong with a closed commercial ecosystem? Apple built it, and it's theirs to profit from.

    Maybe I'm missing something here.
    I suppose the analogy would be if Windows only allowed "Microsoft certified" applications to be installed. What if Microsoft then declined to certify many competing software products (e.g. Open Office)?

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    Has Spotify as an app been approved yet? It's touted as an iTunes killer. Would be interesting to see Apple sell it's own poison.

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    didnt apple used to bang the drum on the evil microsoft for being greedy and trying to keep things closed?

    I get irritated that the 3 g supports video just fine if you jailbreak it - so its clearly capable - but they will only release the video application to the 3gs so if you want video you have to buy new hardware - how irritating and greedy imo. see cycorder
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    Another device to remember is the iPod Touch, which doesn't use the ATT network. I bought the GV Mobile app for my iTouch months ago and recently that App was pulled from the App store, and thus I no longer receive updates for that app. If Apple wants to tell me how that or the (would be) official Google Voice app duplicates the functionality of the non-existent phone on my iTouch, I'm all ears.

    In all seriousness, if Microsoft pulled this on the Zune HD (assuming it supports apps), I think there would be some pretty big uproar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor View Post
    didnt apple used to bang the drum on the evil microsoft for being greedy and trying to keep things closed?

    I get irritated that the 3 g supports video just fine if you jailbreak it - so its clearly capable - but they will only release the video application to the 3gs so if you want video you have to buy new hardware - how irritating and greedy imo. see cycorder
    Cycorder is wicked. You can surreptitiously record video with it..

    But yeah Apple's a prime example of protectionism and capitalism at it's (subjective) finest.

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    Not just apple, but a ton of mac users always bashed Microsoft for this. But now people are hypnotized that they cant see they are getting screwed. And I dont know why this is, but I know a decent amount of people who think Apple came up with the portable MP3 player, which is just crazy(I still remember my Archos Jukebox 6000. 6gig hard drive, heavy and ran on 4 AA batteries)
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