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    Is this normal?

    I have servers for more than 8 years in VO/Data393/Latinsys, Since 2003 I have assigned about 300 IPs under my name, recently, we have to upgrade a couple of servers and I was requested by VO/Data393/Latinsys to justify the usage of all the IPs!. I would like to clarify that I did not requested additional IPs, nor to have those that I have changed, or anything, just wanted to keep those that I have before assigned to the new hardware.
    To justify all them is very time consuming, because not only have to check those using SSL (which are easy to identify) but also have to check custom DNS of nameservers and customers who are not but wanted to have private DNSs, this mean, 1 by 1 a lot of DNSs zone.
    Is this something normal required by dedicated service providers?
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    As per ARIN policy:
    4.2.3.1. Efficient utilization
    ISPs are required to apply a utilization efficiency criterion in providing address space to their customers. To this end, ISPs should have documented justification available for each reassignment. ARIN may request this justification at any time. If justification is not provided, future receipt of allocations may be impacted.

    via https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html
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    It's normal for providers to get justification documentation on file when IP's are provisioned. Not to go back afterwards and re-evaluate existing provisions.

    The snippet of ARIN policy that Ron posted is dead-on for why the former happens.
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    All IPs need to be justified as (likely in your case) per ARIN guidelines; that they where not yet justified makes it only strange to say the least, but maybe because ARIN did not follow up their own rules to much and just recently started to look into the DC you are using ?

    RIPE (Europe) is a lot tighter on asking justifications, hence you can get IP's but in almost all cases you need to send in justifications. We can't even get 20 IP's without justification forms to be filled in.

    Guess these justifications will be more usual in the US as well now that IPv4 is running out fast.

    While it may be a lot of work; i think its a good thing you put it on paper; it gives you a better idea of the usage of your IP's as well.

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    Right, however, the justification is for informational purpose only, and also, this are IPs that I have assigned since 2003, are not new.
    4.2.5. Web Hosting Policy
    When an ISP submits a request for IP address space to be used for IP-based web hosting, it will supply (for informational purposes only) its technical justification for this practice. ARIN will analyze this data continuously, evaluating the need for future policy change.
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    BTW; this IPs were justified when they were requested, however, the company changed 3 times of hand, first was VO, then Data393 and now Latisys, The last time that I requested IPs was when they were VO and the IP request were done through their help desk, therefore, probably they don't have that information anymore.
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    looks like you have a rather large time consuming email to write...which sucks.

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    Do they require you to justify each IP? Most providers I deal with just require that you tell them how many IPs you are using for what. For example, you could say 150 are so SSL, 100 are for nameservers, and 50 are currently unused (in which case they may ask for the 50 back). Asking for info about each and every IP seems a little over the top IMO - then again, you should probably have that info easily accessible to take care of any abuse reports that come in.


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    This is the exact reason I have an IP management system which syncs with our client database. I can easily pull an allocation usage sheet for any given range which provides the IP, server id, and client name. It is integrated with our automated abuse processor as well to make life easy.

    When you start dealing with hundreds of IP addresses then it is too tedious to try and do by hand.
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    This happened to me recently with The Planet. I was EXTREMELY frustrated to say the least. Spending over an hour finding your IP's, finding the proper justification definition and then being "denied" because you missed a couple is rather annoying for any customer.

    We finally got the document signed off and our new IP's assigned. Luckily you only need to do it once...

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    We finally got the document signed off and our new IP's assigned. Luckily you only need to do it once
    Those IPs were already justified back on 2003, we are not requesting new IPs, just to have those that we already have assigned 6 years ago to be moved to a new hardware, nothing else.
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