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08-06-2009, 10:06 AM #1Web Hosting Evangelist
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Sane and Sensible NL Dedicated providers?
I went through:
i3d
netrouting
serverboost
ecatel
rackedge
swiftway
Their websites were "under construction", or prices minimum double vs. leaseweb, or industry standard support costing 400-500euros per month (under 1hr response to server down type of emergency tickets).
i need cPanel, decent hardware and proper support services, at sensible pricing from a provider which doesn't smell fishy.
Budget is roughly 100euros per month maximum.
Currently using Leaseweb, and ticket turn around times are more like days than minutes, and at the first run they never do their job actually, not even bothering to read the ticket.
i3d came closest to offering to my needs despite being game hosting targeting company, but they asked for 400-500 euros per month for under 1hour ticket responses.
Any good recommendations?Last edited by NuCode; 08-06-2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason: i3d info
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08-06-2009, 10:10 AM #2Custom Hosting Master
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You could either colocate your own stuff somewhere(http://www.datacentermap.com/search_...etails#results) or find something outside of the country, unless your application is latency sensitive.
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08-06-2009, 10:15 AM #3Web Hosting Evangelist
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Application is location sensitive, near amsterdam is must have.
Colocation is not possible as i do not live in NL.
Ty for your suggestion however. WorldStream seems to have good offers, but their website has way too little information.Pulsed Media: Dedicated Servers and Seedboxes
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08-06-2009, 11:09 AM #4WHT Addict
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I want a bmw but i don't want to pay more than a fiat panda...
Do you really think companies have a 1 hour response for a few euro's a month? Maybe companies want to make profit on services...
I see a lot of information on the worldstream website, what do you want to know more? If you have specific questions, why don't you send an e-mail?Web10 ict services - www.web10.nl
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08-06-2009, 11:15 AM #5Web Hosting Evangelist
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Colocation is not possible as i do not live in NL.
Contact LeaseWeb regarding rack space, you can send them your own servers and rent their switches, etc., or also send your own.
You can take some SuperMicro servers with IPMI + KVM over IP and manage your servers remotely. I know one good SM supplier in EU, who can deliver servers for free inside EU, PM me for their website.
But if you decide to rent servers from DC, then go to WorldStream or ServerBoost.// AltusHost - European Web Hosting Provider
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08-06-2009, 11:15 AM #6Always there
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█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
█ Introducing our new Entry level server line ! Support response time <15 minutes 24/7. Technology Fast 50 & Fast 500 award winning for multiple years, Your Business deserves Swiftway Quality.
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08-06-2009, 11:56 AM #7Cable Director
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08-06-2009, 12:40 PM #8Web Hosting Evangelist
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Everyone is tangling on the first possibility 2 of the providers on the list had their websites "under construction", not all of them.
Swiftway does not compare to leaseweb pricewise, and i did not see cPanel offering (#1 killer, price secondary).
ServerBoost has roughly double the price than Leaseweb for comparable servers (I need the traffic 2Tb to be on the safe-side during peak months, annual average per month is only ~250gb but during peak months i go over 2Tb).
All i expect is prompt response on emergencies, i'm not expecting basic things to be solved middle of night during weekend, only the emergencies.
Instead of going into defensive, and trying to protect your business plan, why not just offer tangible solutions or stfu? The Peugeot VS Porsche, and Fiat Panda VS BMW are both ridiculous metaphores. (And any car enthusiast knows that an older cheaper model can beat down hands down a newer more expensive model)
There's plenty of providers OUTSIDE NL which offer top-notch service for low or decent price. Empty words DOES NOT make expensive offer sweet.
Neither is NL this special place in the world where basics costs 10-15 times more than elsewhere in the world.
WorldStream english website does not for example explain SLAs (or they are hidden somewhere underneath something).
Business 101 Lesson:
Increased profits and profit margins are achieved by making costs lower while maintaining the equivalent or higher quality.
That being said, there is plenty of providers who are able to do this, or actually offer a exemplary service (SoftLayer for instance on the high-end, BurstNET on the low end, while location is not best their customer service is simply brilliant. Both BurstNET & SoftLayer has EXCELLENT support, and i think Burst might even be slightly faster than SoftLayer)Pulsed Media: Dedicated Servers and Seedboxes
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08-06-2009, 12:54 PM #9Always there
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I do not want to argue with you, but the info you provide is not correct.
All our server plans offer Directadmin, Cpanel or Plesk as a option. When you click a configuration link, you can select a control panel. And we follow the Leaseweb pricing very closely.█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
█ Introducing our new Entry level server line ! Support response time <15 minutes 24/7. Technology Fast 50 & Fast 500 award winning for multiple years, Your Business deserves Swiftway Quality.
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08-06-2009, 01:23 PM #10Web Hosting Evangelist
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That's not correct. Currently paying 69€ for:
Server: Dell PE R200 / HP DL120
CPU: 1x Intel Quad Core Xeon X3210 / 8MB
RAM: 2GB DDR2
Harddisk: 2 x 250GB SATA II (But got 2x400Gb as those 250Gb were broken)
Volume Connectivity: 2000GB data traffic
Uplink Port: 1 x 100Mbps Full-Duplex
IP: 2
SwiftWay Dell R200 X3220, 2Gb Ram, 2x250Gb HDD, 4Tb Transfer is 102€ per month.
How is 102€ per month comparable to 69€ per month?
Ok, i give you that 4Tb transfer is very nice, and i do like that trend very much, but the final price simply is not the same as Leaseweb. and i did acquire that server ~5months ago.
Better yet, leaseweb is offering that same server (Tho HP not Dell) now for 59€ per month. and it comes with 4Tb aswell.
Could you show me the formula with which in mathematics, 102 equals 59? As a business owner, i would definitely like to charge that 43euros more for the same service as it's all profit margin, but as a customer hell no thanks if there's NOTHING extra (easily visible and marketed atleast).
Bottomline is, you have to atleast make the perception of higher value to justify the higher cost, but right now even the perceived value at Leaseweb is higher (web site comparison only)Pulsed Media: Dedicated Servers and Seedboxes
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08-06-2009, 02:58 PM #11Web Hosting Evangelist
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Come on Skal Tura, do not argue with swiftnoc here.
2TB with leaseweb will cost you minimum 20EUR. So, yes, price is very close.
Also x3220 is better CPU then x3210.// AltusHost - European Web Hosting Provider
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08-06-2009, 03:02 PM #12Web Hosting Evangelist
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Didn't i just point out that Leaseweb increased to 4Tb while decreasing price to 59€, no?
x3210 and x3220 difference is too marginal to account for 43euros price difference. In any case, CPU is the LEAST LIMITING FACTOR in performance.
Come on Turelio, don't try to distort facts.
PS. Even if adding 20eur for 2Tb, makes it 79€, still 23€ or ~28% higher price, that is very significant percentage.Pulsed Media: Dedicated Servers and Seedboxes
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08-06-2009, 03:09 PM #13Always there
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We will beat any offer from any established NL provider, altough. Just ask.
█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
█ Introducing our new Entry level server line ! Support response time <15 minutes 24/7. Technology Fast 50 & Fast 500 award winning for multiple years, Your Business deserves Swiftway Quality.
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08-06-2009, 03:32 PM #14WHT Addict
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Well, if other countries are much cheaper, go to them. I'm glad you know all the rules in the netherlands for running a business... Maybe we have something like taxes (high taxes) what makes hosting expensive? Maybe the power is here 5 times more expensive then in the usa. Maybe the rack price here is 2 times more expensive then the usa... Oh no, that are not maybe's, but facts.
You want a top service dutch hosting provider offering you cpanel, 2 TB traffic, a decent server AND 24x7 contact for the price of an usb stick.. Thats unreal.Web10 ict services - www.web10.nl
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08-06-2009, 03:41 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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I won't bother checking now but I do believe that 59 euro on Leaseweb is only if you order for one year in advance. For 6 months prepay is +10%, for 3 months prepay it's +20%. AND you have to add VAT if you're in EU.
1 TB at Leaseweb IS 10 euro a month if I remember correctly.
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08-06-2009, 03:47 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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I remember when I went to Amsterdam, all the ads for hosting I saw were so freaking expensive. It was kind of interesting though, because I had never seen billboard and poster style advertisements like that before...especially in the US. It is a different lifestyle over their - way more technically oriented than over here.
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08-07-2009, 02:09 AM #17Always there
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The LSW server comes with 2 IPs, to compare apples with apples i upgraded that to 5 IPs (the minimum we provide, since we give every customer his own subnet in their own VLAN).
I found that the price you quote (€59,00 per month) is €64,00 per month with 5 IPs and this price is only valid when prepaid 1 year in advance.
A similar server with Swiftway, when paid 1 year in advance (option in panel, it gives you 25% discount. Standard selected is payment per 3 months in advance, Leaseweb order system selects standard payment per year in advance) is Euro 76,50 per month. So the actual difference in the standard offering is €12,50 per month and not €23,00█ Swiftway.net Your Business deserves our Quality - Experts on Hand since 2005. Europe & US locations, we operate our own network AS35017 Support response time <15 minutes 24/7
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08-07-2009, 02:51 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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You can't compare other higher quality NL hosts to the one you're at at the moment, because you're looking for a *better* provider. Better quality usually means more money.
Serverboost has a very good network, very good uptime and very good support. You can barely expect 2/3 of those from leaseweb most of the time. You get what you pay for, you're not going to end up with a good host if you dont wan't to pay for it.
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