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07-29-2009, 12:15 AM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Performance comparison
Hi,
I need some info on how much can shared hosting and managed VPS scale up.
I am building a site which will be in php and would have google/yahoo maps. The framework would be zend/joomla/elgg with lots of ajax.
Given these requirements, how many concurrent users can a good shared host handle.
Thanks,
Jitendra
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07-29-2009, 01:14 AM #2Newbie
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it depends on how many visitors you got
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07-29-2009, 01:16 AM #3Junior Guru Wannabe
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07-29-2009, 01:16 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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How much traffic are you expecting?
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07-29-2009, 01:54 AM #5Junior Guru Wannabe
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I could be wrong, but I think the OP is asking your opinion, based on what was stated in the original posts for specs and intent:
How many hits at once could a shared hosting package handle with that setup, before s/he would need to upgrade?
How many hits at once could a managed VPS handle with that setup, before s/he would need to upgrade?
I can't answer the question, but that's the question I think is actually being asked.
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07-29-2009, 03:00 AM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks Lady for putting more clarity on my quesion
I would like to know the number of hits with the shared setup that would require upgrade.
As far as data based upgrade is concerned, I think that could be inaccurate as my site will have some bit of images which are purely data delivery, hardly any load on server as compared to php delivery.
Thanks,
Jitendra
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07-29-2009, 03:10 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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It would be hard to determine how many hits, connections it would take for you to upgrade. This may vary dependently.
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07-29-2009, 03:12 AM #8Disabled
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As you know each shared account is different to another shared account and that is the main idea here because different account form the diffrent providers can do diffrent tasks.
If you have hosting I suppose that would be better get in touch with the provider you are with and specify all detaild you doubt
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07-29-2009, 03:12 AM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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I thought someone who has hosted a joomla site would know pretty accurately.
I am seeking this info to decide on my host. If I would need an upgrade quickly I would go for more integrated host who has shared as well as VPS/dedicated. Else I can more easily choose someone like stablehost who have mostly shared.
Thats a good idea. I will add to my wish list here:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=878832
Thanks.
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07-29-2009, 03:15 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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a VPS is not necessarily an upgrade when you are more limited in RAM, CPU than in a shared account, having a VPS with 256 MB and Cpanel (or any other control panel) for sure is a downgrade unless you were already hosted in a server crawling.
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07-29-2009, 03:18 AM #11Junior Guru Wannabe
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07-29-2009, 03:21 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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I thought someone who has hosted a joomla site would know pretty accurately.
I am seeking this info to decide on my host. If I would need an upgrade quickly I would go for more integrated host who has shared as well as VPS/dedicated. Else I can more easily choose someone like stablehost who have mostly shared.
Shared Hosting can handle quite a bit of hits per day/month, It would be best to talk with a Host about this and they can help you out with your questions about this.
You need to be aware not all Joomla sites are the same and some might be more active than others on different services, You might find an upgrade required quicker on an oversold host to a host with minimal amount of clients.
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07-29-2009, 03:24 AM #13Disabled
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1) Initial low cost under 2$ preferably, or if it comes with free domain and privacy I won't mind paying higher.
2) Shell access is must.
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07-29-2009, 04:07 AM #14Retired Moderator
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I thought someone who has hosted a joomla site would know pretty accurately.
Ajax isn't a worry. If anything, it probably helps keep the load lower as only parts of the page get updated.
If the maps are being served from a remote location (google), they won't be of any real consequence for your site/server.
Make sure you use any cache feature that is available (Joomla has one, I know). It'll help prolong your stay in a shared hosting environment.
Get your own domain. I always say that $10 per year is a small amount to pay for peace of mind.
I've sometimes seen hosts referring to 100 concurrent users as a sort of "you might want to look for something more than shared hosting" limit. It's definitely not cut and dry, and a $50 shared hosting account will quite likely allow several times more activity than a $5 shared hosting account.
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07-29-2009, 04:15 AM #15Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks Dan for the pointers. I sent out email to stablehost who are my top choice right now to see if they can give me some numbers.
Problem with me is that I have no clue as to what will be cpu cost and I don't want to end up needing an upgrade in a week or month.
My plan is to keep it extremely low 2$ or so for first 3 months of development, then upgrade to something like 5$ per month once the site is live and as the traffic picks up to Managed and above.
Definitely going to get my domain, its a serious business that I am going to build :-).
Cheers!
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07-29-2009, 12:58 PM #16Junior Guru Wannabe
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I have just been jumping through all those hoops as well, but I can tell you that most of the $2-$3 hosts require you sign up for a year or more upfront, are closer to $7 a month without the 1-3 year signup (if they allow a month to month at all), and they probably won't be good enough for when you go live. Those hosts tend to have VERY tight rules for cpu and ram use, and allow almost none at all.
Avoid the unlimited bandwidth/disk space hosts, there is no such thing as truly unlimited and most have a catch buried in their TOS that's against "excessive use of disk space or bandwidth", be sure to read the Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy carefully of host you are considering. It's amazing what sorts of things are in there.
Don't hesitate to ask some pre-sales questions. It not only gives you a chance to ask some questions, but to test whether the support and sales staff are around when they claim to be and whether they answer phones, live chat, tickets or emails when they claim to be around.
Example, I used mostly email, but I mailed several hosts on a Saturday evening. All of them claimed 24x7 support. One host took 2 days to answer, and had an excuse for the tardiness when they did, which might have been acceptable, however I mailed back another question, 9 days later, still haven't heard a thing. (No surprise they got crossed off my list pretty fast, especially when I had some of them responding within an hour of my ticket.)
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07-29-2009, 02:41 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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Hi Lady,
I think I did find some hosts who were not charging too much upfront, like stablehost with the offer they are running come under 3$ for their mid package.
Avoid the unlimited bandwidth/disk space hosts,
test whether the support and sales staff are around when they claim to be and whether they answer phones, live chat, tickets or emails when they claim to be around.
Mind sharing which ones have you hoped over so that I can avoid :-).
Cheers!
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07-29-2009, 02:46 PM #18Newbie
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it really depends on the amoutn of visitors ect...
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07-29-2009, 05:27 PM #19Junior Guru Wannabe
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I just know at lot of the packages state they are $3, but that's only for a 3 year in advance purchase. That fine print is a killer, so I thought I'd mention it.
As for the hosts that I discarded, most were in a higher price bracket than what you were looking at, and even their bottom plans were a little more than what you are looking at, in most cases.
As I'm not a customer of those sites, I'm not quite sure what WHT's policy (too may TOS lately, I can't remember) is on saying what my experience was with them base solely on my pre-sales questions.
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