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06-26-2009, 05:42 AM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Charity looking for a web site host
I am looking for a website hose for a charity.
It is for a new website - yet uncreated.
We are in New Zealand.
I have a good basic knowledge of computers, but am no experienced website builder. AS we have a small budget I have offered to put a website together.
New Zealand website hosts seem to be quite expensive and do not offer many additional options, such as forums, web templates, mail addresses etc etc.
Also I read somewhere that If viewing from overseas that people can experience slow download times if on a New Zealand server? Not sure if that is true or not.
I got the Microsoft Expressions 2 software through Techsoup. But it does not look as easy as it sounded. Also have MS publisher which has website templates, but nothing that fancy, and I find you cant alter them enough.
As It may have to be updated by unexperienced people ( i,e, volunteers) I need somewhere that has easy updating tools
We have a blog on wordpress at the moment, that I would like to link in,
also would like to add a forum. Or if need be link to a Yahoo group forum.
We would like to have a donate option ( of course)
And to have forms, so that we can get feedback, and perhaps some research from people.
An events page , etc.
I looked at Hostgator, but to be honest - Am going to sound really green here, what does it mean if it says they are only Linux?
Would I not be able to use the Expressions software to update it ( if I work out how to use it properly)?
I considered Yahoo but they may be a bit big and hard to get any help from.
If I join from New Zealand, then I probably wont be able to use a support tel no, and will have to rely on email support. ( Do any have Skype??? or free overseas phone?)
I liked the look of this one called netregistry.com.au. But it seemed quite pricey.
I put my husbands website created using Iweb on Clervernet, but with them, you have to wait until they are onboard US time(so it seems).
Any advice appreciated.
So important points are
** Must be easy to update and use
** Can you use Expressions ?
** what support does an overseas person get?
** Site builder/ forum/ possible shopping cart later/ donation/forms
** Link to blog
**Need to be able to nest pages.
** Low cost.
** an email server, as we do not have an office, each person must be able to go in and check messsages from a different location. Like HORDE
Thanks for any help.
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06-26-2009, 06:29 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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Hi There,
I'm from New Zealand too!
Now, i'm not familiar with "Microsoft Expressions" but can it export to a plain HTML or anything> If so, you can use Linux.
If not, you'll need to look for a Windows host. These can be a lot pricier than Linux hosts though.
what support does an overseas person get? Most, if not all hosts will provide ticket support at least.
Site builder/ forum/ possible shopping cart later/ donation/forms Most hosts will have a one-click installer in their hosting control panel.
an email server, as we do not have an office, each person must be able to go in and check messsages from a different location. Like HORDE I think all host control panels can do this.
Take a look around the forums and try to find a host you like.
Best of luck!Shaun
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06-26-2009, 06:34 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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I'd recommend you design the site in Joomla Content Management System. It's easy to install yourself, and most providers will provide you with a one click installer such as Fantastico or Installatron. As of right now I believe everything in Fantastico is up to date.
Joomla is great, I actually use it for one of my sites just to mess around with lol.
Any LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP....the majority of them lol) will do for that.
And if you are a non profit organization you may be able to get discounted/free hosting from some providers, before ordering I'd recommend you contact them. It may take as little as an ad for them on your site.
Joomla has many extensions, such as shopping carts, you can install a forums software such as SMF or PHPBB which, I believe there are extensions to bridge them together so logins are the same and integrate them. There are Joomla templates all over the internet, you can find some nice ones for free, and I've seen paid ones for as little as $10.
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06-26-2009, 06:59 AM #4Junior Guru
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Hi Aromagician,
New Zealand website hosts seem to be quite expensive and do not offer many additional options, such as forums, web templates, mail addresses etc etc.
Also I read somewhere that If viewing from overseas that people can experience slow download times if on a New Zealand server? Not sure if that is true or not.
As for your second question: It really depends on their ISP and the lines they use to connect to NZ servers. If the ISP uses a bad line, then yes it is possible to experience slow download times. This is out of the host's control.
I got the Microsoft Expressions 2 software through Techsoup. But it does not look as easy as it sounded. Also have MS publisher which has website templates, but nothing that fancy, and I find you cant alter them enough.
As It may have to be updated by unexperienced people ( i,e, volunteers) I need somewhere that has easy updating tools
If you're having difficulties using website editors such as that in MS Expression, there are many free website templates (that look good) on the web. As long as you have basic HTML knowledge, you are able to edit them. For free templates, I would recommend Styleshout or FreeCSStemplates. But these 2 are only a small part of sites that provide free CSS templates for download. Search around till you find something you like.
As for easy updating tools, most if not all hosts nowadays have a control panel with a file manager. In the file manager you are able to edit HTML code from your files.
We have a blog on wordpress at the moment, that I would like to link in,
also would like to add a forum. Or if need be link to a Yahoo group forum.
Setting up forums is quite simple. You just need a host with PHP/MySQL, and then you follow the instructions on a particular forum software. I would recommend the following free forum solutions: phpBB3 and SMF. The instructions to set up such forums is simple and your host should be able to help you if you need assistance.
We would like to have a donate option ( of course)
And to have forms, so that we can get feedback, and perhaps some research from people.
An events page , etc.
You can code the forms yourself, or you can get survey software on the web. There are some free survey sites for the purpose of feedback.
I looked at Hostgator, but to be honest - Am going to sound really green here, what does it mean if it says they are only Linux?
If I join from New Zealand, then I probably wont be able to use a support tel no, and will have to rely on email support. ( Do any have Skype??? or free overseas phone?)
** Must be easy to update and use
** Can you use Expressions ?
** what support does an overseas person get?
** Site builder/ forum/ possible shopping cart later/ donation/forms
** Link to blog
**Need to be able to nest pages.
** Low cost.
** an email server, as we do not have an office, each person must be able to go in and check messsages from a different location. Like HORDE
The support you get really depends on the host. Most hosts offer a support ticket system which is an easy and quick way to contact them.
As for forums, PHP/MySQL is needed, and it is standard to most hosts. You can also use CMS systems such as Joomla which allow you to build a site easily.
Link to blog: Just HTML code is needed. All hosts support HTML coding.
Nesting pages can be done via code.
As for your email server, paid hosts nowadays come with email accounts as well as SMTP. You should have no problems with that. If needed you can set up POP on Outlook, Thunderbird etc.
As for what hosts: well, its a big world out there. You'll have to do your research. Go to the hosting offers forum and see what fits you, or you can go to Find a Host. You can also search on web host directories like Webhostdir.
I hope I helped you, and good luck with your search.
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06-26-2009, 07:17 AM #5Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks everyone. The software I got is called Microsoft Expression Web 2 "The professional Web Design Tool."
I could probably nut it out If I spent enough time watching the video tutorials, but the trial site builders on many of the hosts seems so much easier to use.
Except when you want more pages than they have, or need to change a few little things.
If you want to change the server after a year or so, and have built the site with their site builder, can you still transfer it boots and all? I have bought the domain name seperately so it stays with us no matter what.
Will have a better look at the replies tomorrow as is late here now.
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06-26-2009, 07:20 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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06-26-2009, 08:10 AM #7
Whatever you wind up deciding, do yourself and future maintainers a favor and don't use MS Publisher to create the site. The HTML it puts out is about the worst thing possible for compatibility and maintaining a site.
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06-26-2009, 08:12 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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Try Using a Open Source CMS like Drupal,Joomla or maybe wordpress
These are easy to use and don't require any coding. Plus there community available where you can ask your question if you get stuck somewhereLast edited by Gary4gar; 06-26-2009 at 08:15 AM.
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06-26-2009, 08:25 AM #9WHT Addict
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try using WordPress
its very userfriendly for anyone even for newbies
has great opensource support if u need any
best of luck
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06-26-2009, 12:48 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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There are many hosts who offer site builders, that will save you use MS Expressions which create a horrible code.
For what you says your site wont use a lot of space/bandwidth, do yourself a favor, and don't fall tempted in those hosts lying offering unlimited or tons of space/bandwidth for the price of a Big Mac, you wont be able to use them anyway, they will cancel your account once you reach what they think that's a reasonable limit.
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06-27-2009, 09:09 PM #11Junior Guru Wannabe
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06-27-2009, 09:17 PM #12Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks for taking the time to reply.
bY linking in I mean having a heading that says Discussion group and when they click on it t, it takes you directly to that discussion site. I know you can insert URLS on the page that do the same thing. SO is not really a biggie.
I will have a look at joomla and see what it looks like.
Thanks
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06-27-2009, 09:19 PM #13Newbie
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Wordpress.com is a free blog site. Wordpress.org is a CMS. Confusing right?
Regarding MS Expression Web 2, MS Web is an HTML editor, What You See Is What You See(WYSIWYG) web builder. It is much like Dreamweaver. Now, you can use it for Linux hosting. It will save files as HTML and then you can FTP or upload it to your web host. Now, has for hosting. How many people do you plan to have on the site? Will people download anything?
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06-27-2009, 09:26 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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I am not sure what you mean by how many people do you plan to have on the site.
We are starting support groups throughout New Zealand, and it would be great if each area could update their page themselves.
I hope to be able to have newsletters and pamphlets etc that can be downloaded as PDF files from the site.
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06-27-2009, 09:30 PM #15Newbie
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How many people do you think will be viewing your site at once?
If you want to have them update it then either you will need to use a Content Management System.
You might want to have a cheap VPS to start out with. But check out TechSoup and search for web hosting.
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06-27-2009, 09:30 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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06-27-2009, 09:50 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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I dont think that is going to a problem
It is only a small charity at this stage, and there is already an international website for the organisation.
But then again, who knows. And how can you tell how many will look at it?
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06-27-2009, 09:52 PM #18Newbie
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You really have to guess.
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06-27-2009, 09:56 PM #19Junior Guru Wannabe
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06-28-2009, 02:35 AM #20Junior Guru
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I assume to previous poster meant guess how much traffic will go to the site. You see, it affects your decision as you need to choose a hosting plan that meets your needs.
But then again, who knows. And how can you tell how many will look at it?
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07-15-2009, 08:50 PM #21New Member
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You mentioned Netregistry in your original question. i would not recommend them. I have a website in Australia and I had a very bad experience with them. They have some very complicated fineprint in their contract which makes it very difficult to change web hosts. Their customer service is very poor. I had to make a complaint to the Department of Fair Trading in order to get a partial refund as they expected me to pay for a full year event though I had changed web hosts.
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07-16-2009, 12:45 AM #22Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks. I looked at the Joomla, but the information PDF is way confusing. If the wordpress is similar to the blog site I am thinking that might be the way to go.
Or Hostgator or Godaddy, just for price and ease of site creation.
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07-27-2009, 07:37 PM #23Junior Guru Wannabe
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Re Joomla,
I thought I would have another look at this, as have already downloaded it.
1) in the quick guide it says to download a server called XAMMP or something like that.
AS we are a volunteer run charity, All the stuff is done on my own home laptop. To run a server, does that mean that my laptop has to be on the whole time? Or does it just make it easier to create the site (??)
2) Re Woredpress
All the information I read just talks about creating your blog using wordpress. My site is not a blog. DO people use it for community charities etc? Do not want it to look just like a blog?
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07-27-2009, 10:49 PM #24Web Hosting Evangelist
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Believe it or not Expression Web2 is now almost as good as Dreamweaver. You can use it to create and upload files into either a Linux or windows server. If you are going to host on a Linux or red hat server you have to make sure they have FrontPage extentions installed and activated for your account.
Many places have sitebuilders that have a large array of web templates that would make it easier for you.
Godaddy has something called Website tonight which is really a complete hosting package in itself.
Sitebuilder is one that many use but it does not have as many templates and is not as user friendly as RVsitebuilder.
With RVsitebuilder you can create forms, websites, blogs and it is user friendly.
Try to find a host that offers cPanel with Fantastico Installer and RVsitebuilder.
As far as donations, your best bet would be to see if the charity can open a donation account with Paypal. They have tutorials on creating buttons and the script.
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07-27-2009, 11:24 PM #25Junior Guru Wannabe
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Thanks, for the advice.
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