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    Need Input In Selecting a VPS or Cloud service...

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm shopping for a VPS solution and I'm looking for feedback, currently my contenders are Mosso, Media Temple DV (Not GS - Too many bad reviews there), Slice Host and newcomer VPS.net.

    I should preface this by saying I'm currently a reseller with Hostgator and would be happy to stay with them if they had a VPS or cloud offering.

    My criteria for making a selection:
    - GOOD SUPPORT, this is a must
    - Reliable infrastructure
    - Affordability, this might discount Mosso?
    - Easy scaling, another important point for me, I like MT and VPS.net for this
    - Unlimited domains/subdomains/databases/email addresses/ftp accounts/etc
    - Redundancy and automated data backups
    - Min 30gb storage
    - RAM 512mb min, 1gb would be better
    - Min 250 gb traffic
    - Max monthly fee of $75
    - Must support all open source techs (PHP, MySQL, Ruby, Python, Zend, etc - Not sure if it needed to be said but wanted to be clear)
    - Reasonably fast
    - Prefer to have an admin gui, anything but Plesk, I've used cPanel many times, no problem there.
    - Prefer to have some management provided, I sudo just well enough to get into trouble and prefer to have the pros handle more complex things for me, ie. SSL install, PCI compliance, Email provisioning, etc.

    My two front runners are Media Temple DV and VPS.net but I'd be lieing if I said I selected based on what's important to me (Above), the truth is I'm not experienced enough with these services to make a good decision and have not been able to find good comparison arguments online....so here I am.

    Your help is appreciated and hopefully I'm not repeating a previous question (I did look)

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Aquanode; 07-20-2009 at 12:49 AM.

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    how about ram memory?

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    As you may not know, many of the people here are actual providers and we aren't allowed to recommend our own services.

    Although, I have personal experience with http://www.spry.com and they are probably one of the top 3 oldest VPS providers around, if not the oldest as they have been in the VPS business since 2002. Definitely rock-solid, fast, and they will guarantee uptime. Highly recommended. I must also mention they have excellent support and if I remember correctly, all of their VPS' are fully managed if you want to use the service. Free of charge.

    Their lower priced sister company is: http://www.vpslink.com - built on open source technologies instead of the more expensive commercial products used at spry.com.
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    By scaling do you mean they must have the ability to provision new VPS nodes on demand or the ability to upgrade your VPS node when you need more resources? By either definition, all VPS providers have this ability so I must not understand this requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquanode View Post
    - Prefer to have an admin gui, anything but Plesk, I've used cPanel many times, no problem there.
    Wow... would be interested to hear details of your bad experiences with Plesk!

    As we specialise in this (i.e. Plesk) we obviously attract like-minded customers, but we hear very positive feedback from those migrating to it including those "die hard" cPanel or DirectAdmin fans who initially told us they were looking for a VPS using one of those.

    I would also suggest that it sounds like you're looking for a fully managed service rather than un/semi-managed, and whilst that does shorten your list a little you should also get a more suitable service for your needs as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquanode View Post
    I'm shopping for a VPS solution and I'm looking for feedback, currently my contenders are Mosso, Media Temple DV (Not GS - Too many bad reviews there), Slice Host and newcomer VPS.net.
    Mosso is more like shared hosting. MediaTemple DV is basically a semi-managed vps service and the only control panel they offer is Plesk.

    I have accounts with both SliceHost & VPS.net. They both use XEN and are very good. Both are unmanaged though. VPS.net has the edge when it comes to resources (RAM/HD/Bandwidth) and they also offer cPanel.

    I suggest that you also consider a few other quality hosts: ServInt, KnownHost, WiredTree, and LiquidWeb. Of these companies, I highly recommend ServInt.

    I think you will find everything you are looking for with ServInt. For $49 with ServInt you can get a fully managed vps w/ cPanel, 768MB Ram, 30GB HD, 1000TB of bandwidth, and daily backups. In addition, you can easily scale-up as your needs change. ServInt service & support is top-notch. You can't go wrong!

    Good luck & let us know what you decide.
    Last edited by mainpipe; 07-20-2009 at 03:40 PM.

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    Hi Everyone.

    Layershift -> My comments on Plesk were admittedly unfair and probably not clear enough, my beef with Plesk is the speed and layer after layer of navigation, I actually think Plesk is a good tool but find it more cumbersome to use than cPanel.

    Unixy -> Thanks for your comments on scaling, I am indeed looking for an easy way to add nodes as my needs increase.

    Mainpipe -> thanks for pointing me to Servint, I think I'm now down to VPS.net and Servint.

    It's clear from all your comments and from similar comments on other forums that in order to take full advantage of a VPS I'll need to learn some linux, fair enough and thanks again for the input.

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    I highly suggest VPS.net because of it's affordability on a cloud service. You can also look at rackspace's cloud service though I do not know their pricing.



    If you look at VPS, you might want to look at Wiredtree, ServInt, Knownhost, etc

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    Honestly, a VPS alone does not define a cloud. A cloud is scalable, redundant and persistent.

    VPS is one way to build a cloud, and most utilize VPS technology is cloud solutions to some degree. But, based on your comments, seems to me you are looking for a good VPS provider that has the ability to increase the size of your container when needed...

    If you are looking for an actual cloud - Mosso has one that extends shared hosting across load balanced arrays. Mediatemple utilizes VPS containers to isolate users, etc..

    honestly though, reading your post - seems to me you are just after a basic VPS.. I would stick with XEN based VPS solutions for true and real isolation - but, that is just my opinion..

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    Your requirements are a bit confusing to me, but if you are looking for "shared reseller hosting" type of cloud - Mosso would sound like an alternative. If you are looking for "dedicated server like VPS" - XEN solution would be my choice as well.

    Linode (Linode.com) is my personal favorite for XEN hosting, but looking at your requirements you possibly require more support than standard VPS solution. With standard XEN VPS server you need to "sudo" your way around.

    For managed VPS hosting I would give serious consideration to Liquidweb VPS with cPanel. It might be a bit off from your price range, but they are certainly worth it.


    That's my share of thoughts - hope you find yourself a great provider!

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    Have asked whether you will be able to use cPanel as a part of cloud hosting services of the above mentioned providers? Honestly, I would prefer to try any kind of cloud computing class software when I move to any kind of Cloud based web service, instead of using traditional software. Of course cPanel is good and it will be market leader, but cloud services are something very different at least in terms of the software platforms used..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layershift Damien View Post
    Wow... would be interested to hear details of your bad experiences with Plesk!

    As we specialise in this (i.e. Plesk) we obviously attract like-minded customers, but we hear very positive feedback from those migrating to it including those "die hard" cPanel or DirectAdmin fans who initially told us they were looking for a VPS using one of those.

    I would also suggest that it sounds like you're looking for a fully managed service rather than un/semi-managed, and whilst that does shorten your list a little you should also get a more suitable service for your needs as a result.
    I don't have any bad experiences but when I was first jumping into this hosting stuff I did a test to see which CP I wanted to use. Got 4 VPS accounts running Plesk, CPanel, DA and Kloxo (pre-name change of course) replicated all account onto each VPS and gave users access to all of them. Had them up for 3 months and users had access to all of them and I got plenty of feedback. CPanel came in first (although plenty of complaints that it was too cluttered) closely followed by DA, Almost everyone liked the way Plesk looked but most hated the way it "worked". Last was Kloxo but not by very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyan View Post
    CPanel came in first (although plenty of complaints that it was too cluttered) closely followed by DA, Almost everyone liked the way Plesk looked but most hated the way it "worked". Last was Kloxo but not by very much.
    This feedback echos my thoughts exactly! Thanks for the feedback.

    Being that I'm a novice with Linux I'm wondering how difficult it is to learn enough to admin an unmangaed ecommerce site? Specifically in regards to email and SSL certificate setup? On a scale of 1 - 10 I'd put my 'sudo' ability at a solid 2.5, really just enough to do some damage.

    I'm getting the sense that the best providers will require me to up my knowledge in order to make use of them.

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    Go with a managed VPS with cPanel and brush up on your cPanel skills, so you won't need to do any ssh work at all, and let the hosting company handle your backend stuff, like security and maintenance.
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    Don't kill yourself get a fully managed and learn as you go. This way if you screw something up you have a fast way to recover (also take your own daily backups! = ) Once you've learned enough then bump to an unmanaged.

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    I definitely agree with Nnyan. Having a manged service gives you a safety net that the support crew should [ideally] be able to rescue you if something goes wrong, or better yet, point you in the right direction before you get started which is a nice way to learn I guess Good luck.
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