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06-27-2009, 06:25 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Hosting childporn
Before I ask about this, I want to make the following clear: I have absolutely no intention of hosting or being involved with anything illegal, I am merely curious.
I know of a website, in fact quite a few websites that have been mentioned to me that host "questionable" material, this material is legally child porn, I would expect that if someone were caught with it they would be charged with possession of child pornography and probably incur jailtime. These sites are very popular, in the top 10k alexa sites (20k uniques/day?) and they don't ever seem to get taken down. Their servers are hosted by ecatel.
Is there some sort of legal loophole that allows this, because I was always under the impression that if you hosted with and were caught with child porn you'd end up with serious jail time, how do these sites get away with it? I know that these sites have been reported for breaking the law, many many times and yet they still stay online. Do ecatel allow this material because it's legal in their country, or do they just not care?
I'm confused as to how this is allowed, because I always thought that if you were caught it'd be instant arrest and servers taken offline.0
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06-27-2009, 06:32 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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I'm willing to bet there's no actual child porn, it's probably nudist or naturist pictures and movies, or young children modeling, or even pictures of children under 18 children naked.
As long as there's no actual sexual activity in the content or strongly suggestive poses, it's not child porn.0
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06-27-2009, 06:36 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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I can't go into details because I'll get raided and beaten up for being a nonce, but it is child pornography, sexual images of children that is not modelling and is of a sexual nature. The material is irrelevant though, all that needs to be known is that it's not legal under US law and I want to know how they don't get arrested and it taken down. If I report it, surely they have a legal obligation to take it down?
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06-27-2009, 06:55 PM #6Retired Moderator
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The internet is global. If you think that if a US person can get to a site it should fall under US law then why wouldn't the opposite be true.
Why wouldn't a site in the US fall under every other single countries laws?
Because that is stupid. Obviously if it doesn't reside in the US it has to fall under someone else's laws. The US does not equal the world.
I am also not sure how the other poster made the leap from marijuana to child porn but that seems to me to be a huge leap.CloudNexus Technology Services
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06-27-2009, 06:47 PM #7Disabled
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Ecatel is in Amsterdam right? Prostitution and Marijuana is legal. I would not be surprised if child porn is legal. They may consider being 16 as an adult. As far as I know, I don't think that copyright laws apply either from what I heard. Most web hosting companies ignore DMCA complaints in that country. I would report it for sure just in case that its illegal.
Ecatel does have servers in other countries. What country or countries are you talking about? All of them?0
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06-28-2009, 06:34 AM #8Web Hosting Guru
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What an utter nonsense.
Prostitution legal in Netherlands -> Yes
Marijuana legal in Netherlands -> Yes, but only for users that possess less than 5 grams.
Do copyright laws apply? -> Yes (*)
Is Child porno graphy legal? -> NO! Models have to be 18 years (used to be 16) or older.
If there really is Childpornography on servers in the Netherlands, than report that to the DC or provider and they will act. But remember: it could be possible that they do no immediately remove the content on the request of the police, pending an investigation.
*=It is allowed to download a copy of music for your own use, but uploading is strictly forbidden. As is copying software.0
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06-28-2009, 11:03 PM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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06-27-2009, 06:51 PM #10WHT Addict
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Well if the websites are located in other countries, you will need to look into their laws against "Child Pornography".
I know for sure that the USA and UK disallow child pornography; I'm unsure about other countries.0
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06-27-2009, 06:58 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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I'm not entirely sure about this. If the servers were hosted in the United States, the company would be obligated to remove the websites according to law. But when it comes to foreign countries, the laws are a bit different. But just to point this out, the fact that it is hosted in Amsterdam won't keep you out of trouble if you're downloading it to your PC in the United States.
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Doesn't matter where it's hosted. It should be reported to the FBI immediately.
There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. Even in countries that have legal prostitution.SiteSouth
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06-27-2009, 07:19 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Geocities have loads of sites of that kind which they spam people with the links,
But when you email thier support they never do nothin about it!0
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06-27-2009, 07:19 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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06-27-2009, 07:25 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Technically, you are legally required to report it. The way the FBI wants it handled is to leave the website up, report it to them, then follow their directions.
If you don't report it you may have some liability.SiteSouth
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07-03-2009, 09:17 PM #16Devil's Advocate
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Correct.
If you've viewed images that can be defined as child porn and you don't report it.......well isn't that was paedo's do too, look at child porn and not report it.
If only to cover your back...it's best you report it, because if it's a snare site or any are snare sites, then your IP's been logged and the last thing you want is a knock on your door and your neighbours reading of how indecent images were found on your pc.
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06-27-2009, 07:27 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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Yes contacting the FBI would also be a good course of action. I agree limiting the liability is always a good option.
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06-27-2009, 07:59 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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This is Ecatel we're talking about.. just try and get something taken down.
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Let me say this again: There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. It's all illegal!
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06-28-2009, 08:36 AM #22Web Hosting Master
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So: The law in the country that ecatel runs specifies no child porn, okay. All I wanted to know was how it was got away with, I was always under the impression that you'd get arrested as soon as someone even mentioned you being involved with it and this site is hugely popular. I have nothing against ecatel, I just mentioned the company name so people had the chance to explain specific laws in the country that they run.
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06-27-2009, 08:19 PM #23CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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+1 on never take down an "illegal site." Notify the authorities to ask how they want it handled.
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06-28-2009, 06:23 AM #24Web Hosting Master
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Talk about some uneducated nonsense in this thread. Child porn legal in NL? Utter BS.
Report it to the FBI and the Dutch police. http://www.politie.nl/English/ - took me 2 seconds to find on Google.Matthew Russell | Namecheap
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06-28-2009, 06:44 AM #25Web Hosting Guru
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citricsquid, if you really believe that there is child pornography then report it here: http://www.meldpunt-kinderporno.nl/en/
It is supported by the dutch Ministry of Justice and especially dedicated for this purpose.0
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