Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 48

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    972

    * Hosting childporn

    Before I ask about this, I want to make the following clear: I have absolutely no intention of hosting or being involved with anything illegal, I am merely curious.

    I know of a website, in fact quite a few websites that have been mentioned to me that host "questionable" material, this material is legally child porn, I would expect that if someone were caught with it they would be charged with possession of child pornography and probably incur jailtime. These sites are very popular, in the top 10k alexa sites (20k uniques/day?) and they don't ever seem to get taken down. Their servers are hosted by ecatel.

    Is there some sort of legal loophole that allows this, because I was always under the impression that if you hosted with and were caught with child porn you'd end up with serious jail time, how do these sites get away with it? I know that these sites have been reported for breaking the law, many many times and yet they still stay online. Do ecatel allow this material because it's legal in their country, or do they just not care?

    I'm confused as to how this is allowed, because I always thought that if you were caught it'd be instant arrest and servers taken offline.
      0 Not allowed!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    858
    I'm willing to bet there's no actual child porn, it's probably nudist or naturist pictures and movies, or young children modeling, or even pictures of children under 18 children naked.

    As long as there's no actual sexual activity in the content or strongly suggestive poses, it's not child porn.
      0 Not allowed!

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    972
    Quote Originally Posted by mariushm View Post
    I'm willing to bet there's no actual child porn, it's probably nudist or naturist pictures and movies, or young children modeling, or even pictures of children under 18 children naked.

    As long as there's no actual sexual activity in the content or strongly suggestive poses, it's not child porn.
    I can't go into details because I'll get raided and beaten up for being a nonce, but it is child pornography, sexual images of children that is not modelling and is of a sexual nature. The material is irrelevant though, all that needs to be known is that it's not legal under US law and I want to know how they don't get arrested and it taken down. If I report it, surely they have a legal obligation to take it down?
      0 Not allowed!

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Lancashire, UK
    Posts
    113
    Quote Originally Posted by citricsquid View Post
    I can't go into details because I'll get raided and beaten up for being a nonce, but it is child pornography, sexual images of children that is not modelling and is of a sexual nature. The material is irrelevant though, all that needs to be known is that it's not legal under US law and I want to know how they don't get arrested and it taken down. If I report it, surely they have a legal obligation to take it down?
    Are their servers located in a different country than the USA?
      0 Not allowed!

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    972
    Quote Originally Posted by eG-Dan View Post
    Are their servers located in a different country than the USA?
    Ecatel, I think they're Netherlands based, not sure though. Surely if the content is being served to the US it falls under US law also?
      0 Not allowed!

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    5,105
    Quote Originally Posted by citricsquid View Post
    Ecatel, I think they're Netherlands based, not sure though. Surely if the content is being served to the US it falls under US law also?
    The internet is global. If you think that if a US person can get to a site it should fall under US law then why wouldn't the opposite be true.

    Why wouldn't a site in the US fall under every other single countries laws?

    Because that is stupid. Obviously if it doesn't reside in the US it has to fall under someone else's laws. The US does not equal the world.

    I am also not sure how the other poster made the leap from marijuana to child porn but that seems to me to be a huge leap.
    CloudNexus Technology Services
    Managed Services
      0 Not allowed!

  7. #7
    Ecatel is in Amsterdam right? Prostitution and Marijuana is legal. I would not be surprised if child porn is legal. They may consider being 16 as an adult. As far as I know, I don't think that copyright laws apply either from what I heard. Most web hosting companies ignore DMCA complaints in that country. I would report it for sure just in case that its illegal.

    Ecatel does have servers in other countries. What country or countries are you talking about? All of them?
      0 Not allowed!

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by rlshosting View Post
    Ecatel is in Amsterdam right? Prostitution and Marijuana is legal. I would not be surprised if child porn is legal. They may consider being 16 as an adult. As far as I know, I don't think that copyright laws apply either from what I heard.
    What an utter nonsense.

    Prostitution legal in Netherlands -> Yes
    Marijuana legal in Netherlands -> Yes, but only for users that possess less than 5 grams.
    Do copyright laws apply? -> Yes (*)
    Is Child porno graphy legal? -> NO! Models have to be 18 years (used to be 16) or older.

    If there really is Childpornography on servers in the Netherlands, than report that to the DC or provider and they will act. But remember: it could be possible that they do no immediately remove the content on the request of the police, pending an investigation.

    *=It is allowed to download a copy of music for your own use, but uploading is strictly forbidden. As is copying software.
      0 Not allowed!

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    61
    Quote Originally Posted by mariushm View Post
    I'm willing to bet there's no actual child porn, it's probably nudist or naturist pictures and movies, or young children modeling, or even pictures of children under 18 children naked.

    As long as there's no actual sexual activity in the content or strongly suggestive poses, it's not child porn.
    Your probably right Ecatel & Leaseweb host the Chan Picture boards, teen models from Russia & the USA mostly. nothing to worry about.
      0 Not allowed!

  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Lancashire, UK
    Posts
    113
    Well if the websites are located in other countries, you will need to look into their laws against "Child Pornography".

    I know for sure that the USA and UK disallow child pornography; I'm unsure about other countries.
      0 Not allowed!

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    4,988
    Quote Originally Posted by citricsquid View Post
    Before I ask about this, I want to make the following clear: I have absolutely no intention of hosting or being involved with anything illegal, I am merely curious.

    I know of a website, in fact quite a few websites that have been mentioned to me that host "questionable" material, this material is legally child porn, I would expect that if someone were caught with it they would be charged with possession of child pornography and probably incur jailtime. These sites are very popular, in the top 10k alexa sites (20k uniques/day?) and they don't ever seem to get taken down. Their servers are hosted by ecatel.

    Is there some sort of legal loophole that allows this, because I was always under the impression that if you hosted with and were caught with child porn you'd end up with serious jail time, how do these sites get away with it? I know that these sites have been reported for breaking the law, many many times and yet they still stay online. Do ecatel allow this material because it's legal in their country, or do they just not care?

    I'm confused as to how this is allowed, because I always thought that if you were caught it'd be instant arrest and servers taken offline.
    I'm not entirely sure about this. If the servers were hosted in the United States, the company would be obligated to remove the websites according to law. But when it comes to foreign countries, the laws are a bit different. But just to point this out, the fact that it is hosted in Amsterdam won't keep you out of trouble if you're downloading it to your PC in the United States.
      0 Not allowed!

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    1,114
    Doesn't matter where it's hosted. It should be reported to the FBI immediately.

    There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. Even in countries that have legal prostitution.
    SiteSouth
    Atlanta, GA and Las Vegas, NV. Colocation
      0 Not allowed!

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    556
    Geocities have loads of sites of that kind which they spam people with the links,

    But when you email thier support they never do nothin about it!
      0 Not allowed!

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Loma Linda, CA
    Posts
    42
    Quote Originally Posted by mgphoto View Post
    Doesn't matter where it's hosted. It should be reported to the FBI immediately.

    There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. Even in countries that have legal prostitution.
    I agree as an industry we should not allow such content on our servers and remove accounts that have such content.
      0 Not allowed!

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    1,114
    Technically, you are legally required to report it. The way the FBI wants it handled is to leave the website up, report it to them, then follow their directions.

    If you don't report it you may have some liability.
    SiteSouth
    Atlanta, GA and Las Vegas, NV. Colocation
      0 Not allowed!

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    3,883
    Quote Originally Posted by mgphoto View Post
    Technically, you are legally required to report it.

    If you don't report it you may have some liability.
    Correct.

    If you've viewed images that can be defined as child porn and you don't report it.......well isn't that was paedo's do too, look at child porn and not report it.

    If only to cover your back...it's best you report it, because if it's a snare site or any are snare sites, then your IP's been logged and the last thing you want is a knock on your door and your neighbours reading of how indecent images were found on your pc.

    owm
    ‹(¿)›
    Life's what you make it.
      0 Not allowed!

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Loma Linda, CA
    Posts
    42
    Yes contacting the FBI would also be a good course of action. I agree limiting the liability is always a good option.
      0 Not allowed!

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    3,816
    This is Ecatel we're talking about.. just try and get something taken down.
      0 Not allowed!

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    1,114
    Let me say this again: There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. It's all illegal!
    SiteSouth
    Atlanta, GA and Las Vegas, NV. Colocation
      0 Not allowed!

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    /root
    Posts
    23,990
    Quote Originally Posted by mgphoto View Post
    Let me say this again: There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. It's all illegal!
    I agree.

    It is a matter of coordination with the country and they will cooperate especially when we are talking about children :-(

    Specially 4 U
    Reseller Hosting: Boost Your Websites | Fully Managed KVM VPS: 3.20 - 5.00 Ghz, Pure Dedicated Power
    JoneSolutions.Com is on the net 24/7 providing stable and reliable web hosting solutions, server management and services since 2001
    Debian|Ubuntu|cPanel|DirectAdmin|Enhance|Webuzo|Acronis|Estela|BitNinja|Nginx
      0 Not allowed!

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    UK, Major Cities
    Posts
    501
    Quote Originally Posted by mgphoto View Post
    Let me say this again: There is no such thing as legal child pornography any where in the world. It's all illegal!
    Not exactly, afaik in Russia there are no (or little) laws on child porn.

    But Ecatel is infamously well known for not taking action against anything. Piracy is one thing, but CP is another. Im sure it'll get taken down eventually.
    - Colin Dunn | Systems Administrator
    I think CentOS is a pretty cool guy. eh runs mah server and doesnt afraid of anything...
    ^ That sig/meme is so old, I just don't have the heart to change it. I hope the cool kids around still get it... 2008 was a good year!
      0 Not allowed!

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    972
    So: The law in the country that ecatel runs specifies no child porn, okay. All I wanted to know was how it was got away with, I was always under the impression that you'd get arrested as soon as someone even mentioned you being involved with it and this site is hugely popular. I have nothing against ecatel, I just mentioned the company name so people had the chance to explain specific laws in the country that they run.

    Quote Originally Posted by coduk View Post
    But Ecatel is infamously well known for not taking action against anything. Piracy is one thing, but CP is another. Im sure it'll get taken down eventually.
    Thank you, now I know
      0 Not allowed!

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    5,525
    +1 on never take down an "illegal site." Notify the authorities to ask how they want it handled.
      0 Not allowed!

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    London
    Posts
    4,931
    Talk about some uneducated nonsense in this thread. Child porn legal in NL? Utter BS.

    Report it to the FBI and the Dutch police. http://www.politie.nl/English/ - took me 2 seconds to find on Google.
    Matthew Russell | Namecheap
    Twitter: @mattdrussell

    www.easywp.com - True Managed WordPress, made easy
      0 Not allowed!

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    313
    citricsquid, if you really believe that there is child pornography then report it here: http://www.meldpunt-kinderporno.nl/en/

    It is supported by the dutch Ministry of Justice and especially dedicated for this purpose.
      0 Not allowed!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 04-30-2010, 04:22 PM
  2. need help to report a host posting childporn
    By cyruski in forum Web Hosting
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 03-08-2007, 01:19 AM
  3. Childporn Need Help
    By AfficialNast in forum Web Hosting
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 05-06-2004, 09:42 PM
  4. Childporn Alert Part 2
    By antilamer in forum Shared Hosting Offers
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-24-2001, 05:47 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •