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11-07-2002, 09:45 AM #1Newbie
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Nigeria?
We have a new customer from Nigeria who is looking to do business, they ordered 5 hosting accounts and told us that they would wire the payment to our account. I explained our no mun no fun policy and it was agreed that there account would be activated once payment has cleared.
2 months went by and the payment had not reached our account, they rang up and told us that they were having problems with there bank and that they could not make payment by wire. At this point I had concluded that they were just trying to get free hosting and forgot about it.
Yesterday I got an email asking for directions to our office so they could drop in payment of UK£10k for future accounts. (Our office is in Ireland)
The only reason that I have been entertaining this is because a lot of our International customers are from odd ball places.
Anyway, has anyone ever seen this is the past with Nigerians or anywhere else for that matter & how did you deal with them?
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11-07-2002, 10:04 AM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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Not competely on the subject but Nigeria has been a very good source of fraud for a while. This isn't saying these people are fraudulent, but it is something to consider.
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11-07-2002, 10:29 AM #3Junior Guru
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Another thing to consider is ~60%+ of Nigeria's National Trade is Fraud.
More commonly then you meet someone from nigeria who is a businessman, you will meet someone willing to kill you for your money.
Checkout the 419 scams.
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11-07-2002, 10:35 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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SERIOUSLY - exercise extreme care, Nigeria is home to many scams, I would strongly advise against giving any details until the cash is in the bank ... and then be careful! The UK Foreign Office has tons of complaint files of scams involving Nigeria.
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11-07-2002, 10:40 AM #5Newbie
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Originally posted by ninji
Another thing to consider is ~60%+ of Nigeria's National Trade is Fraud.
More commonly then you meet someone from nigeria who is a businessman, you will meet someone willing to kill you for your money.
Checkout the 419 scams.
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11-07-2002, 10:45 AM #6Eternal Member
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Re: Nigeria?
Originally posted by daveww
Anyway, has anyone ever seen this is the past with Nigerians or anywhere else for that matter & how did you deal with them?
Gary
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11-07-2002, 11:07 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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make sure they dont show up at your physical address with a bunch of spears and bbq you for dinner (after expropriating all your liquid funds and kit) =]
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11-07-2002, 01:01 PM #8Web Hosting Guru
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Paul, now I'm afraid you would show up with a white hood.
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11-07-2002, 01:19 PM #9ex-Aussie
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We host a couple of businesses/websites that are Nigerian based. All larger accounts for the most part, all pay on time, and all are long term customers. One guy's been hosting with us for close to two years.
While I wouldn't recommend Nigeria as a great place to look for customers given the issues with scams, our experience has been very positive. No need to paint everyone with the same brush after all...
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11-07-2002, 01:20 PM #10Junior Guru Wannabe
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Re: Nigeria?
BE CAREFUL..................
This could be a variation of the old Nigerian scam (give us your account # so I can send you millions).
Originally posted by daveww
We have a new customer from Nigeria who is looking to do business, they ordered 5 hosting accounts and told us that they would wire the payment to our account. I explained our no mun no fun policy and it was agreed that there account would be activated once payment has cleared.
2 months went by and the payment had not reached our account, they rang up and told us that they were having problems with there bank and that they could not make payment by wire. At this point I had concluded that they were just trying to get free hosting and forgot about it.
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11-07-2002, 02:00 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Lurleene
Paul, now I'm afraid you would show up with a white hood.
on a personal note, my mother gave piano concerts in nigeria, money was wired to europe with no issues and she stayed in a 5-star hotel in kinshasa i think it was.
secondly, if they are able to drop money off personally, they sure as heck are in the uk already and can remit the money in other ways.
third, 10k pounds sounds a tad high to me, unless the hosting in question is really high-end =]
the bbq bit was of course a joke. everyone knows their religion forbids them to eat computer professionals (watch your secreatries though) =]
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11-07-2002, 02:40 PM #12Web Hosting Guru
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Of course the transaction has nothing to do with spears and cannibalism. Which is why I wonder why you brought it up?
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11-07-2002, 03:36 PM #13Disabled
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Originally posted by ninji
Another thing to consider is ~60%+ of Nigeria's National Trade is Fraud.
More commonly then you meet someone from nigeria who is a businessman, you will meet someone willing to kill you for your money.
Checkout the 419 scams.
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11-07-2002, 04:26 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Lurleene
Of course the transaction has nothing to do with spears and cannibalism. Which is why I wonder why you brought it up?* Rusko Enterprises LLC - Upgrade to 100% uptime today!
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11-07-2002, 04:35 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Jburnley
flawed stats like you just did. Were in the world did you get the statistics from that 60%+ of Nigerian Trade is Fraud????????? Look b4 you leap, buddy.
noone claimed there are no legit businesses in nigeria. i can testify to it that there are. however, same as with statistics on credit card fraud, we as businessmen have to take the probabilities into account. why not? the insurance companies charge me out the ... for my sportscar because im not 40 and married with 5 children. no matter how unfair i think that is towards me as an individual, they have a statistical basis for it.
in any case, this issue is moot. there are so many suspicious circumstances in this case that all statistics are totally irrelevant - the individual circumstances mandate caution no matter where the business is from.* Rusko Enterprises LLC - Upgrade to 100% uptime today!
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11-07-2002, 04:36 PM #16Web Hosting Evangelist
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Don't be so hard on him. It's not ignorant for him to comment about Nigeria's fraud. Everyone who has had an email address for more than 6 months has received atleast one of the nigerian 419 scam emails. This is huge business.
UK and US authorities take this very seriously. I am sure other countries do too, but the items I have been reading lately have focused on US and UK efforts to stop this country's scamming.
Remember, this is business. Don't take things personal. Godaddy didn't specifically paint every person in the countries they cutoff from their services - they just made the business move to not deal with that type of potentially fraudulent business behavior.
Look at it the same way. I wouldn't take a nigerian account, only because of all the press the 419 scams have received.
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11-08-2002, 01:44 PM #17Disabled
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Originally posted by WildCard
Don't be so hard on him. It's not ignorant for him to comment about Nigeria's fraud. Everyone who has had an email address for more than 6 months has received atleast one of the nigerian 419 scam emails. This is huge business. ......
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However making such stupid and crude statements like: "More commonly then you meet someone from nigeria who is a businessman, you will meet someone willing to kill you for your money. " deserves a serious spanking. Its people like this that give us a bad name around the world. Sad.Last edited by Jburnley; 11-08-2002 at 01:54 PM.
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11-08-2002, 03:40 PM #19Registered User
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While working as a banker I attended a series of classes presided over by a U.S. Secret Service agent specializing in white colar crime. He pointed out that Nigerians operate the most successful financial crime syndicates in the United States and they are very difficult to break up. The few Nigerians I've known were exceptionally bright people (physicians all). I can see how, given desperate conditions and innate intelligence, white collar crime would be tempting for them.
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11-08-2002, 03:58 PM #20Junior Guru
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Im not sure if your speaking about my comments about nigeria, but I got this as a direct quote from the FBI, when a friend and I had attempted to help them catch someone of the 419'ers who tried to get access to our accounts.
What the person said was "over 60% of nigerias National Trade is fraud" some countrys sell steel some sell coffee, but when 60% of the biz in the country is recorded to be fraud, I think its feasible that we comment and tell eachother not to become a part of that countries 60%.
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11-08-2002, 07:43 PM #21Web Hosting Guru
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There is alot of legit business in Nigeria guys! Look at this e-mail I got today!
-----------COPY/PASTE------------
Dear Sir,
It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your
co-operation and
assistance in the context stated
below:May I first introduce my self: I am DR.(MRS.)
MARIAM
ABACHA,the wife of Late General Sani Abacha (former
Military head of state and President of the Federal
Republic of Nigeria) who died suddenly on 8th June
1998. I got your contact through the help of my
sister-inlaw that works
with the Canadian Chambers of Commerce and
Tourrism,due,I did not disclose
to her my humble intention for a honest foreigner who
will help save my
life and my children. Having noted the confidence
reposed on your person by
the sponsor of the recommendation, I became convinced
of your capability
and goodwill to assist me in receiving the sum of
US$20 Million secretly
willed in my favour by the late general (my husband).
This money was kept in a Security Company in Amsterdam
Holland and I have
all documents with me as of when it was deposited in
a Security Vault for
safe keeping.This money has been defaced for Security
reasons and also to
avoid it been spent by unauthorized persons.We have
been deliberating on
how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential
manner until we came to a
conclusion to use it to buy houses and part of it will
be used for
non-speculative investments in your
country.However,the current civilian
administration of retired General Olusegun
Obasanjo(The President of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria) is
seeking vengeance on the Abacha family because of the
life prison jail
sentence confirmed on him by my late husband while in
office. In pursuit of
this vendetta,the present Government have resolved to
freeze all known
assets of General Sani Abacha including properties at
home and abroad and
are presently embarking on to seize the various bank
accounts of my husband
in Switzerland,UK and Australia. In fact, the attack
on our family (The
Abacha's) is so devastated to an extent of seizing our
travelling
passport,family accounts and even trying some members
of our family in
court for offences allegedly committed by my late
husband..My first son Mohammed Abacha who was arristed
and incacerated for the past 3years was just reliese
from prison on the agreement to refund $1.5 Billion to
the Federal Government of Nigeria allegedly stollen by
my late Husband.We are not ready to comply to this as
most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad
have been Freezen by the Obasanjo regime.
In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and
personal survival,our
family trustee have secretly protected the will,The
Security Company has
called me to do something about claiming this
consignment because of the
demurrage it is incurring and I told them we would
come and claim it very
soon but they seriously advised me to move the fund
into an overseas
amount, hence the reason why I have chosen you and
hope that you will come
to my full assistance and unlimited
co-operation.In the meantime,there is a travelling
embargo on us(the whole
family members) and our local accounts are seized. We
are currently living
on goodwill of people who believe we cannot be held
responsible for the
sins of my late husband. In view of this plight, I
expect you to be
trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this
distressed call to save me
and my children from a hopeless future. And if you
agree to help, we will
compensate you sincerely for your candid effort in
this regard with 25% of
the total amount of $20 Million US Dollars.
In that case, when the money ($20 Million) is moved
into your
discrete account, you will be allowed to withdraw 25%
in
your favour,while 10% has been set aside for any
expenses you might incur
(There are demurrage to pay before the fund is sign
and claimed by
you.)during the process of securing this fund.
The remaining 65% will be invested meaningfully for my
children's future.
My cousin (DR yemi musa) has perfected arrangements
with the Trust
Company concerned and has been assured 100% risk free
and safe
operation.What I demand from you now is to arrange to
visit the Finance
Company where this money is being deposited and claim
it as the bona-fide
owner.
And in due course, all contacts must be made through
DR yemi musa through this E-mail address:
yemi_musa1@hotvoice.com or tel:234-8033184852
I look forward to your quick response while thanking
you for your co-operation. In view of all above
details, I request you to keep this letter and
co-operation highly confidential.
Best wishes,
DR.(MRS). MARIAM ABACHA.
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I e-mailed them my bank account information two hours ago, I hope to see my share of the money in my account soon!!!!
riiiiight
Zach
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11-09-2002, 05:03 PM #22Disabled
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Originally posted by ninji
Im not sure if your speaking about my comments about nigeria, but I got this as a direct quote from the FBI, when a friend and I had attempted to help them catch someone of the 419'ers who tried to get access to our accounts.
What the person said was "over 60% of nigerias National Trade is fraud" some countrys sell steel some sell coffee, but when 60% of the biz in the country is recorded to be fraud, I think its feasible that we comment and tell eachother not to become a part of that countries 60%.
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11-09-2002, 07:11 PM #23Disabled
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Originally posted by Jburnley
Yes I was responding to your comment about 60% of Nigerian business transactions being fraudulent. If you think flawed stats given to you by someone who cannot beck them up is correct, then you are no less ignorant than the source of your stats.
You do know them, don't you?
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12-11-2002, 08:16 AM #24Newbie
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In the end I told these fellas to make payment or hit the high road, there was definetly something not right.
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12-11-2002, 08:26 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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Greetings:
Our parent company has a hosting customer in Nigeria.
All invoices going to them must be on company letterhead.
They only pay by wire.
They were informed, and know that they do not receive services in advance of payment; it is payment, then services.
The only thing we ran into the first year of hosting (they pay for one year at a time), was that they did not include the international wire transfer fees when they paid the first time.
Thank you.