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    In-house HyperVM replacement - progress report

    Hi,

    I'm interested in hearing from those that have started building their own replacement for Lxlab's HyperVM after the events of early this month. Would you mind sharing some info as to where you are and how far do you still have to go? I expect that most are still working on it since it's only been about 2 weeks or so.

    Have any of you ended up partnering instead to build one faster?

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    We have nearly finished updating our old in-house control panel which supported an Xen type VDS management system, it now has support for OpenVZ so it has all the basics working start/stop/shutdown/reboot/deploy/change os/IP management/bandwidth management/backup and restore.

    Still just working out any small bugs that maybe in there, but so far so good, we even managed to do the change over without any issues caused with current VDS customers on the old hypervm slaves which was handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel_Colo-UK View Post
    We have nearly finished updating our old in-house control panel which supported an Xen type VDS management system,
    Ok you cheated ! You had some head start over those that woke up in the aftermath. Thanks for sharing.

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    Agreed, it was not like we had to start from scratch as we already had a management system in place.

    Be interesting to hear the progress of others though to see what they are opting for be it an in-house system or some other paid/free management system out there.
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    Hi,

    We too, aren't starting from scratch. Also, we are not moving away from HyperVM, we always used our own (open source) solution (that is included in Debian Lenny now). But because someone asks... We have been working on a CentOS port of our dtc-xen, so people complaining about no CentOS can work with it. And so far, we have a working RPM that builds and installs. There's currently an issue with the SSL certs that will be addressed very soon, and then I think it will be ok for a first CentOS release. Then we'll add VZ support through libvirt.

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    we not moved yet from Hypervm
    we still wait
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    Wait for what?

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    We have most of the management of the data completed which means all the actions that happen have their corresponding communications. What we're working on now is finishing the platform abstraction layer then after that we'll build the openvz platform layer. After that it's just a matter of prettying it up and doing a final round of testing. We need the basics so it's not a massive undertaking to do.
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    It's been almost two months since the incident. If you have started on your own control panel after the incident, please do keep us posted on progress.

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    Ours is going much slower than I would like. Everybody pitches in when they can, but we are so busy with other things right now, all it does is start/stop/reboot.
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    Hi,

    We were NOT using HyperVM, we always used our own solution. But after the HyperVM issue, and after hearing about other people's needs for a open source solution IN CENTOS, we started to port from Debian to CentOS.

    Now, it's READY and WORKING. The only (very little issue) we have still right now, is fixing the CentOS yum repository as some packages are still signed with the old key, and write the howtos (on our wiki).

    I've worked yesterday night on rebuilding a part of our archive, and signing the yum repo packages with our new gpg key, but this is not finished yet. I guess that at the end of the week, I'll be able to say it's fully ready.

    Now, the next work will be to add support for VZ and KVM, as we currently only support Xen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FazeWire View Post
    Ours is going much slower than I would like. Everybody pitches in when they can, but we are so busy with other things right now, all it does is start/stop/reboot.
    May I ask what framework is it that you're using?

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    What do you mean by framework?

    OpenVZ...?
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    I'd like to highlight here, that the start / stop / reboot is the most trivial part. Doing a good bootstraping with yum / debootstrap and image based (we support both), is what took us most of our time (and I'm not even talking about stats...).

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    Which is exactly why we are only that far. We just do not have enough time to push further right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FazeWire View Post
    What do you mean by framework?

    OpenVZ...?
    libvirt, ruby, or PHP, python, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gplhost View Post
    I'd like to highlight here, that the start / stop / reboot is the most trivial part. Doing a good bootstraping with yum / debootstrap
    Why bootstrap when you can use in-house already made templates/images? That would definitely complicate things. Not even hypervm had bootstrapping. But I guess it depends on your target audience.

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    HyperVM is pretty safe to stay with, especially with all the new developers. They have finished migrating everything off the old servers, and are starting to code and further the development of HyperVM. With all the activity going on in the background, not sure why everyone is leaving HyperVM when it's a great VPS CP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy059 View Post
    HyperVM is pretty safe to stay with, especially with all the new developers. They have finished migrating everything off the old servers, and are starting to code and further the development of HyperVM. With all the activity going on in the background, not sure why everyone is leaving HyperVM when it's a great VPS CP...
    based on what i read on their forum, they haven't start to code, the new developer even doesn't have the source code yet. what it is done now is just moving server and selecting the developers. the progress is very slow
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    Well from reading what ive read on these forums there really isnt at this moment in time a working safe OVZ CP, VEPortal claims ive read it has bugs and VZWave seems to have stopped developing and the forum died. We havent heard much from the SolusVM team either.

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    Our panel is in production with OpenVZ now: http://www.intovps.com/blog/2009/07/...l-screenshots/

    We had Hyper-V implementation about complete about 3-4 months ago, but gave up on it after seeing the multitude of problems for Linux on Hyper-V.

    Now working on XEN.

    And Windows is behaving very well on XEN, in some conditions even better than on Hyper-V , from our admins' tests.

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    Have you got any ETA on finishing your project? Is it going to be released public? Im looking for an OVZ panel and its looking like we may have to use HyperVM as nothing else seems complete enough yet.

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    keywolf, we'll probably release the project to public but it's not the priority right now. It won't happen earlier than the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keywolf View Post
    Well from reading what ive read on these forums there really isnt at this moment in time a working safe OVZ CP, VEPortal claims ive read it has bugs and VZWave seems to have stopped developing and the forum died. We havent heard much from the SolusVM team either.
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    We have been working hard on our control panel ever since the incident. We now have the following in use:

    - Full support for both Xen and OpenVZ on CentOS and Debian hosts

    - Fully automated provisioning of Xen VPS and OpenVZ VPS

    - Highly optimised algorithms for calculating OpenVZ parameters leading to very low overhead VPS. Templates also optimised. A 64mb VPS will boot leaving ~60MB free memory!

    - Integrated with our own billing system (instant orders/upgrades/downgrades/etc)

    - Secure communication with VPS nodes from central system using SSHd+Python. No daemon or special installation required!

    - IP Pools and IP management in general. Bind Pools/subnets to servers etc.

    - Quotas working: Memory, Swap, Burst, Disk, Bandwidth, IP adresses

    - Realtime IP management for admins and end-users. Customers can add IPs to their VPS and provide
    justification at this time - no staff intervention required

    - Reverse DNS manager: supports both direct delegation and RFC 2317.

    - OS Reloads for OpenVZ and Xen

    - Traffic accounting for OpenVZ and Xen on a per-IP basis

    - Monthly bandwidth usage prediction

    - The usual power on / reboot VPS etc

    - View VPS node stats: Quotas, Income, Accounts on node

    - Bulk VPS controls: Power on, Power off, Reboot, Force shutdown and Get Status of all VPS on a particular node

    - OS template manager

    I may have missed some things and we have much more planned to come!

    You can see a screenshot here. The UI is fairly basic just now because we are concentrating on features. Only once we are happy with everything will we design a nice looking UI.

    http://www.xenvz.co.uk/images/VPS_control_panel.png
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    we still have not seen any perfect hypervm alternative !

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    Quote Originally Posted by energetic View Post
    we still have not seen any perfect hypervm alternative !
    Why? What's missing in HyperVM that is not available? I'd really like to know, but so far, nobody replied to that easy question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gplhost View Post
    Why? What's missing in HyperVM that is not available? I'd really like to know, but so far, nobody replied to that easy question.

    Thomas
    I think a lot of people are waiting for a product that's feature for feature complete. That's probably not going to happen too soon.

    Personally, I think people should find a control panel that does what they currently need. That'll give them time to assess other options and get business running again.

    Sure it's a pain to have to switch twice if you go for a panel that doesn't work for you but surely it's worse to not be able to run your business at all?

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    This still does not reply to my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gplhost View Post
    Why? What's missing in HyperVM that is not available? I'd really like to know, but so far, nobody replied to that easy question.

    Thomas
    Quote Originally Posted by gplhost View Post
    This still does not reply to my question.

    Thomas
    Sorry, but what is missing in HyperVM? I'm sure HyperVM is missing a lot of things...
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    No, what's missing in our (open source) solution to be a good replacement for HyperVM to your eyes (appart from VZ support that we are working on). I'm having a hard time to gather opinions.

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    SolusVM Release Date: 14th August 2009

    I know a few people were disappointed when we missed our first release date, hopefully this will make them happy again :-)

    The licensing server and repository have now been setup, we have done some extensive testing and feel our product is ready to be released into the wild. This is release 1.0.0 which is based around OpenVZ with support for Xen and KVM coming in later releases.

    Pricing has been kept very simple: $10 per node per month

    A trial license lasting 15 days is available.

    Support will be via our website at www.solusvm.com (website to follow in the next few days, forum is active now). A bug tracker and feature request list have been setup for you to use.

    A full list of features will be posted in the next few days.
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    Since everyone else is posting screenshots of theirs, heres ours:

    http://www.vpsspeed.com/scp01.jpg

    Still in the process of adding a few features, however the major functionality is live.

    Primary features include:

    - Live communication with each server
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    - OS template's stored on remote server, synced to each slave server as required
    - Modular server communication, allowing us to 'plug' additional VM systems into the control panel. For example, we currently just have the OpenVZ controller, but can add a Xen, or KVM controller with ease.
    - Automated IP delegation via an advanced pooling system.

    Like I said, these are just the basics for now. We've got a whole heap of extra features planned for the future.
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