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    * My Thoughts On Most WEBHOST Sites

    A lot of the webhosting sites that are advertised here seem to be.. as concise as possible.. simply too fancy. Their over-use of flash, their hundreds of images slow down the page loading, is frusturating and distracts the consumer.

    While I can appreciate the hard work gone into it, after the inital wow factor has finished, I'm preety much waiting for the page to load. The eye candy is over and the long page wait and browser slow down compells me to press ALT F4.

    My impression is that most of these webhosting flash websites are created for other webhost knowalls. While it may sound hypocritical (after all, webhosts are for the consumer) I must point out that no average consumer will understand half the things the webhost claims to provide.

    I mean really, let's get serious here folks, its all nice and all, but really.

    **Knows he will get bonked for writing this**

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    So you just wanted basic sites? Well not all of us have flash intro's etc......

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    Naah I didn't say that. I'm just saying some sites are too flashy and seem to be more directed at the more host literate portion of the net.

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    I somewhat agree with you - but sometimes it's nice to have a site to be proud of.

    I did my site the way I have simply because i didn't want a basic site - I wan't something which is challenging to make, nice for the eyes (hopefully outdoes other people's flashy sites) - but not over the top.

    My next site will be somewhat more simplistic and without flash - just like the rest of my sites

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    K.I.S.S.


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    whats kiss?

    you know that umm saying, too much of a good thing is bad? Kinda like too much aftershave makes you smell funny

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    Originally posted by huynhk
    Naah I didn't say that. I'm just saying some sites are too flashy and seem to be more directed at the more host literate portion of the net.
    Oh wow, Hostilile is a really nice site ^_^ How long did the flash take you to do?

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    Keep it simple stupid
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    ahhhhh ok lol. K.I.SS

    Kinda reminded me of Kit Ramsey on Bow Finger

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    I like easy to read, and well thought out navigation.

    If I can't find what I'm looking for, or can't find a direction, I'm off to another site.
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    Originally posted by huynhk


    Oh wow, Hostilile is a really nice site ^_^ How long did the flash take you to do?
    The actual implementation in flash took approximately 5 hours. We had it all drafted on paper before hand though.

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    huynhk,

    So for interests sake, does my site fall into the category you have suggested or not?

    If not, why?

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    there are benefits and disadvantages to both high gfxand low gfx sites.

    Some customers base there decision on who to host with purely by the site they visit.

    Out of these people, some will be impressed by a flash site with amazing graphics, while others will like simple sites which load instantly.

    Many people have different opinions and you need to think about who you want to appeal to when designing your site.

    We like to ultimately aim for business hosting, and businesses are mostly on high speed connections anyway .. so a balance of corporate looks and nice graphics works well - they wont notice the load time, and wont be disappointed with a simple site.

    Just my view
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    You are correct that sites should be for the consumer, but every consumer is different. It all depends on what type of consumer you are trying to land (the average joe who wants to make a site of his vacation photos or the fortune 500 company representing a worldwide distribution channel).

    A site that has a great flash animation built into their site could represent a respectable business that is up with technology (instead of a 12 y/o in his bedroom). To someone who is looking for just the specs and a cheap price, a site with minimal graphics and straight forward text may strike their fancy more. It's a game that designers have played from day 1. What will bring more business?

    In my opinion, it should be simple, but still needs to have some well designed graphics. No matter what W3C guidelines are, a website with a white background, black text and standard blue underlined links doesn't portray a professional business. It's simple, but it's too simple. To be successful you have to find that medium that appeals to the people you are trying to reach with your site. If you want the more advanced users, use some flash, if you want the newbie AOL user who just got his Dell, don't use flash.

    Like I said, I don't think there is a standard or best design for any category (hosting, web design, business) ... what works for one may not work for the other. Just my opinion.
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    agree

    I agree,
    With Many host sites, you can get lost in the site with all the information they provide. Simple clean presentation and easy purchasing is a good rule of thumb we use.
    springer

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    As has been sort of pointed out, site design needs to be targeted.

    If you're looking for business customers then a corporate image with maybe a modest flash image will looks wonderfully professional.

    However, if you're looking to sign up Hill Billy Joe, you need something that not only looks friendly, but is also friendly to his 22k modem.

    And [and frankly I'm astonished by this] your site must always look uniqie. Using a webtemplate that looks the same as other hosting companies makes the companies involved look amateur, even false. If a person hasn't got the time to make a unique site, they should reconsider whether they have what it takes to run a business.

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    Seemingly enough, almost all graphic-intensive hosting websites have a large customer base. And what do you think first attracted these customers to use the host?

    IMO, if I see a good site design, I know the company put effort into properly marketing and selling their product/service.

    i.e., HostRocket, GearHost, etc.

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    Not all of them. It's a bit wishy washy to say something like that.

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    Don't HostRocket get slated in the foums?

    Use of Flash may be good for broadband users - but for modem users, it's pointless time-wasting that's likely to lose customers.

    Customer base is nothing - company longevity is more important.

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    Originally posted by AboveCenter
    A site that has a great flash animation built into their site could represent a respectable business that is up with technology (instead of a 12 y/o in his bedroom).
    I'd kindly disagree with that idea. There's plenty of budding teenagers doing flash designs. With all the new easy-to-do flash kits available now, a kid can do an animation over the weekend what used to take hours/days for adults to do.

    I'll agree on the load times of sites now. Just 4 years ago the rule was to have a 20kb site as that was the longest most consumers would wait on dialups. Now people assume everyone is on broadband and jacked up the site content to where it's past 60kb. Anyone still using dialup will suffer.

    If hosts are willing to turn down customers that's their business. But for those wanting to get all potential customers, kudos for them.

    Chris

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    emm ... isn't that why they make separate FLASH n HTML only sites?

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    lol. the average business won't even know the difference.

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    huynhk,

    We have a very detailed FAQ for pre-sales and it actually has a lot of info for people who don't even know what a website is..the site itself has flash but it's included in the main page that there's a NEWBIE guide, we're always trying to add more info to it to help the visitors understand more about the hosting business
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    I'd kindly disagree with that idea. There's plenty of budding teenagers doing flash designs. With all the new easy-to-do flash kits available now, a kid can do an animation over the weekend what used to take hours/days for adults to do.
    I hope you're not indirectly saying that 'teenagers' are not capable to an 'adult's design standards.

    Also, I've seen many great teenage designers working from Actionscript scratch to the design phase-- One such is 2Advanced.com.

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    Well, it doesnt have to be a as flashy as some of them are. You can have a good looking and fast loading website too, even as "pretty" as the overflashed hosting websites.

    It's up to the designer to make a choice. Softload Creations is specialised in compact, quick loading website, that catch the eye.

    Though when customers ask more flashy things in the design, we forfill their needs.

    I wonder how other webdesigners/webdesign companies thing about that?

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    they think that you should not be promoting yourself in a non-advertising forum, or at least run a spellcheck =]
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    kiss and loading quickly.
    i i'm looking for a host and their site loads really slow i don't attempt to calculate the download size. i just assume their server is slow and move on.

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    For some web hosting companies...image is everything ...service is not important.

    *cough

    ci --- host (remove "---") is a perfect example

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    As far as HostRocket is concerned i got 1 thing to say PIXELBRICK.

    All their sites knock you off your seat, i have to say they are damn good at what they do.
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    I'd like to point out the age thing once AGAIN! Age doesn't matter, please do not judge what young people can do. Visit my site (I'm not promoting, i'm proving a point) www.truji.net I did the entire thing from scratch, modernbill is the only other tool I used that I didn't creat. It has a very sleak design, no flash eye candy stuff, very easy to navigate, very professional, and I aim for the business type consumer. For all you judgers out there please reply to this post telling everyone your age judgement on who created that site before you visit my next link. Now visit my personal web site www.matthewtrujillo.com Please give your honest judgement. I'm not accusing anyone of judging people by their website but it just irritates me.

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    Just because there are flash kits/tutorials coming out doesn't mean it is easy to make a good looking flash animation. The actual flash program is not hard to learn but you have to have an artistic talent to do these kind of things. The same thing goes for websites. It is not hard to make a website but it requires a certain artistic talent to make a good looking one.

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