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[iTom]

Ok before you read this post, I don’t want anyone to take it the wrong way, this is not flaming or been negative towards LSN and I am sorry if you feel otherwise. I like the LSN server company and have a server there that I plan to keep forever, they do a great job just that I am confused about their bandwidth. Also the prices aren’t exact!

Just wondering what everyone else here thinks about this:

So... LSN are doing a Q9300 server at the moment for $130 “ish” with 2TB of bandwidth. Now let’s say someone wants an extra 0.5TB of bandwidth they pay around $50 for it and if they want 1TB they pay about $95.

So you buy a server for $130 and get 2TB of bandwidth and also the costs of the hardware, space, power is covered for the hardware. Yet they charge nearly the same price for 1TB extra to a single server, which uses no extra space, hardware or power. Another thing is they charge $25 server to pool the bandwidth between your servers.

So what I see:

2 Servers 4TB B/W @ $260 + $50 (pooling charge) = $310
1 Server 3TB B/W @ $230
1 Server 4TB B/W @ $300

So as you can see from the above you can get twice the space, RAM, CPU and Power for only $10 more? Surely it costs them more than the $10?

Also my final point is LSN have a private network, that is not bandwidth monitored and your servers can use, I asked LSN if you could tunnel the traffic from one server to another, their answer was “yes if you have the technical knowledge to do so”... Well that would get rid of the $50 pooling costs... making it actually alot cheaper to get two servers.

What do you guys think, to me this doesn’t make scene...

[eth00]

The thing is if you get the 1TB more of BW you are actually using it. If you are purchasing a server you probably won't use anywhere close to the 2TB limit.

I have not looked closely at most places but I remember that sort of pricing used to be very common. Back in the day at ev1 we had a few clients with extra servers just because that was the cheapest way to get more BW.

Take a look at SL, they charge basically the same thing ~$100/TB of extra BW.

It boils down to overselling and playing the odds.

[iTom]

my point is I am making it clear that I will be using 3TB+ a month...
So with a d/c knowing this would they not be more interested in discounting the bandwidth instead of just using another server... and then having you pool?

[mooseweb]

Originally Posted by nuke13

my point is I am making it clear that I will be using 3TB+ a month...
So with a d/c knowing this would they not be more interested in discounting the bandwidth instead of just using another server... and then having you pool?

They don't always set the prices of bandwidth, they have control for most things if they own the D/C, but LSN runs out of the DataBank, so take the colo fees, bandwidth fees, etc...

They can't always lower a price of bandwidth, not even the datacenter can do that, only the provider can...

[Robert vd Boorn]

Keep in mind that you are talking about a special....


Q9300 with 8GB RAM 750GB HD & 2000GB bandwidth $125,99
E8400 with 2GB RAM 400GB HD & 1500GB bandwidth $144,99

The server is so cheap because it is a special... you pay the normal fees for addons.

[Shikhir A]

It does sound indeed rather weird, but if you think about it, it makes a bit of sense.

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So lets say they have 1500 of these $130 servers in their facility, total, that are unused. They offer 2TB per server, so that is 3000TB of BW.

When a customer pays the $130, it covers a slot that they have for that server. So let us say they sell those 1500 servers @ $130 each, allocated with 2TB bandwith. That means they now have covered colo bills etc for those slots and are done.

When you get extra bandwith, it is extra costs to them too. They probably have a set up plan with XXXXTB in their datacenter spread on XXXX servers..so if it goes correctly, they will profit a "Y" amount.

If you ask for extra bandwith, they owe their providers "Z" more, and it may mess up with any contracts/specials they get from the upstream providers.

Sorry for all the variables..just trying to point out something .

[dotHostel]

Originally Posted by nuke13

my point is I am making it clear that I will be using 3TB+ a month...
So with a d/c knowing this would they not be more interested in discounting the bandwidth instead of just using another server... and then having you pool?

I think it is the same crazy thing when you ask a provider to lower the price you are paying for a server because the provider is offering the same server specs for a lot less and the sales people says they can't reduce the price but you may cancel the current server and then sign up for the (same) server at the lower price.