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    Gun debate

    Ok i know this will be a mile long thread.

    But do you support guns or you don't


    I say guns should not be banned, criminals get there guns off the black market, I do agree with a background check though

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    there's a lot of ifs ands and buts around this issue....i'm not going to vote..

    I don't support guns that are used in the wrong way,
    however, I do support guns that are used in accordance to the law...

    i dont support all guns on the market and i dont support some of the laws and regulations that are out there right now...


    i could go on, but im tired

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    Like akash said; you need to re-write your poll.
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    sorry bout the poll, but just they generally, some laws and regulations are just stupid, it takes about 9 years to get a concealed weapons license, do you think a criminal will bother to apply? i don't think so

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    no i dont support the right to bear arms. bears should be left alone in the woods the uk doesnt allow guns in the general populus except under very controlled circumstances and there isnt the high incidence of gun crime in the uk compared to countries where weapons are commonplace.
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    guns don't kill peoplple, people kill people


    Now if everyone had a gun, only murderers will use it

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    Guns are almost as frequent in Canada as they are in the US. There are, however, only hundreds of deaths each year in Canada compared to tens of thousands of gun deaths in the US.

    I think the biggest problem is our gun culture. And I also think laws should be tightened.

    See the new documentary Bowling for Columbine. It's an excellent film (I haven't seen it, but movie critics and my friends have said so). It's currently in 10 major cities and will be expanded. See www.bowlingforcolumbine.com for more info.
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    the problem is the media puts lots of homocides on, it makes attention craving people murder to get attetion,its our culture too, Canada has a gun culture, a hunting culture

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    HELL yes I support Guns. The problem is not about the guns the problems is the people that use them.

    I guess we should outlaw and shut down the airliners too they are weapons of mass destruction.
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    I dont knwo about where you live but it took my brother about 3 months (thanks to ashcroft )....I do support guns...i dont believe in gun laws at all....look at certain countries that ban guns totally they have high crime raits (dont knwo if i can spell)....i also dont think people with felonies on their record deserve the right to own a gun....
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    maybe if your populus cant be trusted with them as they clearly cant they shouldnt have them. your controls clearly do not work as the current sad situ shows. People may be the problem and not the tools but who needs a gun? i dont. nor do i want one or the responsibility of carrying one. its one thing using one at work on a farm for critter control, that i didnt mind. theres only me a critter and a wide open field. if ihad one in my house and there was an intruder i would use it. i'd have just killed someone. not a great situation.
    mass carrying of guns raises the stakes. if you have too many nutters and cant regulate their control you have only yourselves to blame for ignoring the incredibly obvious solution.
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    Took me about two weeks to get a ccwl.
    Like it matters.
    I don't ever leave the house.
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    just out of interest, why do you carry or own such a weapon? if its for self defence \ property defense how about a snarly dog like i have. wonderful golden retriever, would rip your still beating heart from your chest as soon as look at you if you broke in, not to mention shes a damn sight more alert 24 7 then i am. a cat came in thru the cat flap, the last owners had installed, the other nite and dared to drink from her bowl. she heard it fromupstairs and was next seen trying to force herself thru the catflap. guard dogs are a lot better then guns no burglar can take the guard dog off you and useit against you.
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    ok i was exagerating abotut the 9 years

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    richy - what if the intruder has a gun he'd just shoot the dog...then shoot you..
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    Yep. I got the dog thing goin' on. And you better believe, there is no way anyone could get anywhere near me if he didn't allow it.
    But then, if that person had a gun, well he'd be outa the equation then.
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    lol the dog would have woken me long before he got over thegarden wall, but thats the point, 99.99999% of burglars in the uk dont have guns which was my point. idrather no guns in the population anda snarly wolf thenhave to carry myself.
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    still...i live out in like timmy bucky too 10 miles north of the mexican border...we have like illegal aliens walk across our property daily (like atleast 4 times a week,40 acres)....they dont care about anything (im not racist against mexi's)...theyll just cut down your fence cause they are too lazy to jump it...and for any of you people who know what cyoties are (not the animal kind) they 99% of the time carry a gun....i'd rather shot them and have the sheriff come pick them up then like die myself (they dont care they'd just run back to mexico and not get caught)...see guns do serve a purpose..
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    For self defense, and as a last resort against tryants, i prefer to keep one for self defense a cheapie raven made by valor

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    Maybe they should only give out guns that have rubber bullets. That way they can do damage, but the risk of being killed is much less.

    Anyway, I support guns, but then I don't. Like I don't support guns when "the sniper" goes off and kills people. But then on the flipside, I support guns when say a burgular attempts to break into a house and that guns saves a innocent person's life.

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    ouch sounds like the poor sods who live too close to the border with scotland yeah i guess you have a reason for a gun, but if that were the case in the uk then the govt via police or armed forces would be obliged to protect you, there would be major outcry at any deaths in that manner.
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    anyone got a url for kevlar doggy armour and collar mounted shotguns methinks thedogs deserve the right to defend themselves and theyd probably be safer and more responsible then half the headcases with guns. then again it could make life more danagerous for pet store owners.
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    People should have the right to have a gun, but no one should tell a person either to buy a gun or not. It's their personal choice, as long as they don't go off and kill someone.
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    Mind is right.

    Owning a gun is a personal choice. A lot of the gun related deaths tie in with the large drug problem with US has. Outlawing them is not going to help that.

    I own a gun ( http://www.effectonline.com/gun/ ) mainly for self defense. It stays in an electronic safe right under my bed, I've already had to deal with a string of robberies around here in my neighborhood and I take no chances. (Great neighborhood where I live but a few rental houses in the area that got filled up with not so nice people but the police have yet to do much since Iím on the outskirts of the city). I look at it this way; my having a gun does not effect how you live your life one bit as long as youíre following the law.

    Also, about the person who mentioned rubber bullets. Well thatís a nice thought but let me tell you this, the way the legal system is now, I guarantee you if you don't kill the intruder their going to come back against you with a civil lawsuit. I can see it now.
    "Criminal breaks in, man shoots him in the eye with rubber bullet and is sued for half a million and criminal wins lawsuit victim ruined for life"

    If anyone ever puts me in a situation to where I have no other choice I will kill them, its plain and simple, if you can't commit to that fact then owning a gun is definitely not for you. I also own hunting rifles and other older pistols, mainly because I like to collect them. Its my right as a law abiding American citizen, and if I feel I should use that right, I will, but yet it doesn't hurt you one bit .
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    LoL

    Probabbly not very... considering most kevlar vests are made up of 20+ layers

    Might stop a bb and maybe a pellet
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    Guns are almost as frequent in Canada as they are in the US.
    What?? Ya Canada has hunting rifles but not near the magnitude the US has with concealed weapons. A study was done on gun control in the US and it was approximated that it would take the US 50 years to bring gun control to the level that Canada has right now. In Canada you can be charged for not properly securing or locking your firearms up.


    look at certain countries that ban guns totally they have high crime rates
    Crime can be any criminal act - not just with a gun. Gun control is more about safety than it is about criminals. How many people are killed by guns because of accidents?? How many children are killed because of accidents?? These are the issues that concern people. There will always be guns, you can't get rid of them for good they've been invented and people will use them and sell them. However you can restrict the use of them. Just because the "Constitution" states and has stated since the declaration of independence that American's have the right to bear arms doesn't mean it needs to apply today. It can be changed, its not written in stone.
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    Originally posted by richy
    anyone got a url for kevlar doggy armour and collar mounted shotguns methinks thedogs deserve the right to defend themselves and theyd probably be safer and more responsible then half the headcases with guns. then again it could make life more danagerous for pet store owners.

    This ought to do it...


    http://www.secondchance.com/prod.asp...prod&prodID=26

    http://www.bulletproofme.com/Canine_Vests.shtml


    Protect your pets...

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    thanks now all i need is collar mouted lasers and shes all ready to be a guard dog in the states.
    i still havent heard a convincing argument for guns tho. they all seem to be that criminals have them so why shouldnt we, well if you didnt the ****ing criminals wouldnt would they? if guns are tightly controlled gun crime is far rarer.
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    Well, depending on where (if I) I move to in the USA, I would probally apply for a sidearm for protection and I also have plans to join the police (but anyhow) ... The main reason I would have a sidearm as I said would be for self-protection and for reasurance... having a sidearm in some situations isn't always good but you cannot control those situations... at the end of the day in the worst case situation you either live or you die.... now if someone is shooting at you... your chances you living are alot better if you shoot them first or just after they shoot at you(hoping their a crap aimer )

    Now anything above a sidearm (pistol) .... isn't really needed... (ie: rocket launcher, AK-47 .. you get the idea)
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    would they be shooting at you if guns werent circulating in the general population?
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    Originally posted by richy
    . . . . . . . they all seem to be that criminals have them so why shouldnt we, well if you didnt the ****ing criminals wouldnt would they? if guns are tightly controlled gun crime is far rarer.
    suuuuuure . . . . . And if we didn't have crack, they wouldn't have crack. And if we didn't have / well, I'll just stop now. Because you get the idea.
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    Nice way to kill his argument software

    But he's right, law abiding citizens don't have crack, heroine, marajuana etc but that still doesn't stop the criminals from getting it now does it?

    Someone needs a new argument
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    Heres the problems with taking guns away from us law biding citizens. Basically the criminals can still get the guns. Heck minors cant drink beer but they still do. I mean if someone comes after your household you have no protection because thye still manage to have guns and we manage to not have any anymore. Plus what about hunting guns. I have alot of them. I use them to kill...just not people.

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    lol little bit of a weak argument there.
    citizens dont have guns normally in the uk - there is very little gun related crime. go figure its not that complicated an equation to figure out. your bonfire well and truly pissed on methinks
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    I can *somewhat* understand banning assault rifels or uzi's or things of that nature, because thats overkill as is, but I still want to own them anyways. Collecting guns is a hobby, the bigger the better. Same argument can be applied to big gas guzzling suv's... ask anyone why they waste a ton more $ on those than regular cars that save on gas and they'll almost always say bigger is better.
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    Originally posted by DanielP
    I can *somewhat* understand banning assault rifels or uzi's or things of that nature, because thats overkill as is, but I still want to own them anyways. Collecting guns is a hobby, the bigger the better. Same argument can be applied to big gas guzzling suv's... ask anyone why they waste a ton more $ on those than regular cars that save on gas and they'll almost always say bigger is better.
    LOL i got a SUV. Its just to pull the popup and stuff. Chevy Suburbn lol. But yeah your right. Collecting guns is cool. I mean most ppl that have these guns didnt buy them at the local store. The Good Ppl buy the guns at the stores but hte bad ones buy them off the black market anyways so then again...were just banning guns from the good guys again.

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    okies, so why cant you keep said guns in a gun club safely locked up and go there to blow the **** out of everything. i understand its great fun. i know its great fun. powertrips always are. but if you only need a pistol for home protection, then limit it at that, keep the howitzer in the gun club.
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    Originally posted by richy
    thanks now all i need is collar mouted lasers and shes all ready to be a guard dog in the states.

    Probably not quite what you meant but here's a laser collar...


    http://www.hitecpet.com/glowingcollars.html

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