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  1. #1
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    Checking Availability For Domain Names

    have you guy/gals ever come across a situation where you'll check a domain name availability then find out a few hours after that the domain name has been registered and is "for Sale"?

    Just interested if you come across this with your customer's and/or yourself.

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    The only way I can see this is if the registry was updated and resolved to an already made webpage that the new owner set up. The registry updates around 2:30 EST with all of the domain names registered from the day earlier.

    Maybe the domain name was registered, but wasn't showing as taken until the regsitry updated. This can happen.

    I don't think it's possible to register a domain name and have it resolve a few hours later. The registry only updates every 24 hours.

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    Timing is everything, but he did not say the domain had website associated with it, only that the domain was registered and for sale. Domain speculators often post for sale messages right in their contact data so it shows in a whois.

    As for losing out on a domain within hours - I suspect this happens quite often. There has been speculation that some registrars "watch" their availability queries for interesting names and then register the domains themselves. I've always found the speculation interesting, but it's never been proven as far as I know.

    As for a website becoming active just a few hours from registration, it's entire possible - but would depend on timing. There are no mandatory delays, just the time needed to move the information into the root zone files. In the case of CNO domains, updates are made twice a day. Some of the newer registries are real time, so a website could be active minutes after registration.

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    >thewitt: There has been speculation that some registrars "watch" their availability queries for interesting names and then register the domains themselves.

    That's exactly why I have been avoiding checking domain availability at "small" sites (starting from very early years).

    >thinkaholic: I don't think it's possible to register a domain name and have it resolve a few hours later. The registry only updates every 24 hours.

    The Verisign REGISTRY makes its updates twice a day; so if your timing is right and have done prep work with your host, it's possible. I personally have registered domain names and have them resolved on the web in less than 12 hours for quite a number of times.
    Co-Founder @HostHideout. Profoundly influenced by #Bauhaus, @Nameslave unrepentantly embraces #Minimalism with a bias for functionality, color theory and pixel precision: a #multimedia messenger in the McLuhan sense. His totally irrelevant M.Ed. dissertation examines Organizational Culture and Change Management. He also likes Patrik Ervell, Wong Kar-wai and IKEA.

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    The Verisign REGISTRY makes its updates twice a day; so if your timing is right and have done prep work with your host, it's possible. I personally have registered domain names and have them resolved on the web in less than 12 hours for quite a number of times.
    Nameslave- what is your secret? I'm sure this could benefit a lot of WHT members. TIA

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    Secret?

    >bok: Nameslave- what is your secret?

    There's actually no secrets, bok. As said, having a newly registered domain visible on the web requires good timing and prep work. Frankly, nearly all of those quickly activated names are not so by intention. First, you'll need to have a registrar that submits your registration instantly (most do now), then you'll need a hosting company that works beyond 9 to 5 (and not to wait till the next business day), finally you'll need an ISP that updates their nameserver records in a timely manner (so that you are able to see it yourself).
    Co-Founder @HostHideout. Profoundly influenced by #Bauhaus, @Nameslave unrepentantly embraces #Minimalism with a bias for functionality, color theory and pixel precision: a #multimedia messenger in the McLuhan sense. His totally irrelevant M.Ed. dissertation examines Organizational Culture and Change Management. He also likes Patrik Ervell, Wong Kar-wai and IKEA.

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    After having a few domains I checked registered within hours of checking availability I will only check on NSI.com now.

    Checked NerdyNews.com on Register.com (available)... went back to register it the next day and it showed that someone registered it 1 hour after my initial check.

    Checked ElectricPleasure.com and ElectricPleasures.com on OpenSRS.net's Whois (both available)...went back later that day to register them but ElectricPleasure.com was now taken so I just registered ElectricPleasures.com...you can go check the whois records on these to confirm I am telling the truth.

    Draw your own conclusions, but my advice is be careful where you check availability.
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    Sheer volume

    With the sheer volume of traffic, I would doubt even Register.com or OpenSRS (main site, not those of its resellers) are any less trustworthy than NetSol. Although there have always been some conspiracy theories around that NetSol or Register.com is holding onto "good" names, it's simply not possible for corporations to do such things. Like racial discrimination, there are always staff members (even some at higher ranks) that engage in such activities; but then do you know how many searches are there within an HOUR at the whois of either NetSol, Register.com or OpenSRS? I honestly don't think any full-time worker is able to browse through that list on a regular basis and NOT being fired.
    Co-Founder @HostHideout. Profoundly influenced by #Bauhaus, @Nameslave unrepentantly embraces #Minimalism with a bias for functionality, color theory and pixel precision: a #multimedia messenger in the McLuhan sense. His totally irrelevant M.Ed. dissertation examines Organizational Culture and Change Management. He also likes Patrik Ervell, Wong Kar-wai and IKEA.

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    Although I agree with Nameslave mostly about the difficulties of sifting thru such a huge volume of domain names - I imagine it would be pretty easy to look at the logfile of the last 3 hours' searches and search for common terms like 'sex' 'porn' etc.

    But I myself have done searches on a whim at certain small webpages with domain searches and it seems everyonce in a while I would get stung with someone registering that domain that same day.

    This personally happened to me with a domain I looked up but can't remember where. The domain was registered like 6 hours after I looked it up, and I would have bought it myself but I was at the dayjob - and couldn't buy it then.

    domain was 'redhotwebhosting.com' and date was 2002-08-22. Now, it could be just an unlucky coincidence, but who knows. Domain was registered at bulkregister.com.

    Suppose your best bet is to register a domain right away if you like it - at $9 it's just not worth the dissapointment of losing a domain you really want.

    -WC-

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    I think you're exactly right WC...


    My experience on one domain (checking availability at Net Sol) was after checking the availability 8-9 hours later it was registered at some foreign registrar and right in the WHOIS it stated Domain Name For Sale $299.00......what the f?

    I do think there are some shady things going on but we will NEVER be able to prove it.

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    Yeah, even if NetSol or register.com found an employee looking in the logs and they let him/her go - they wouldn't make it public. So, it could be happening.

    My gut tells me it is, but I can never prove it. Oh well. Like I said before, now I register right away. It's just $9.

    -WC-

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    Activation on the same day

    Just a follow-up to my "secret":

    2 of the names that I registered earlier today (18 October 2002) are already up and running, in less than 12 hours.
    Co-Founder @HostHideout. Profoundly influenced by #Bauhaus, @Nameslave unrepentantly embraces #Minimalism with a bias for functionality, color theory and pixel precision: a #multimedia messenger in the McLuhan sense. His totally irrelevant M.Ed. dissertation examines Organizational Culture and Change Management. He also likes Patrik Ervell, Wong Kar-wai and IKEA.

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    Some names that have expired will register as available, but a lot of firms like bulkregister study lists of expired names and grab the best ones.
    Just because a name is available does not mean it has never been registered.
    Mick

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    I think the problem occurs when some of the search facilities and intermediate name resolution servers cache the information. Some of these are up to 3 or more days behind. When you "buy" a name the search has to be done at the central registry, and this is updated instantly.

    I don't know if there is a trigger for interesting domains, or how they could determine this. I've just bought flymeto.com after a search and was amazed that it was available. I would have thought that that sort of domain would fall out if any was going to.

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    Why? What's so great about flymeto.com?

    I was surprised when I got gashog.com in the open pool, and then I thought, realistically, what real positive type of website could you have on that domain?

    So I ask you the same about that domain.

    -WC-

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