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    Resolution on Iraq

    It looks like they introduced a resolution regarding Iraq in Congress. (H. J. Res. 110). It basically gives President Bush full authorization to launch a full-scale war against Iraq. Although it states some requirements that must be followed before an actual attack can take place, it still smells of bad karma.

    The full text of the resolution can be found on THOMAS (thomas.loc.gov). For all those who don't want a war, I'd recommend writing Congress right now.
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    My people have been telling me that most members of Congress have recieved thousands of calls, with 100 to 1 being opposed to the resolution/war.
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    Ya a resolution like that in congress give's Bush, powers that are somewhat dictoral. Scary thought.
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    Originally posted by Dogma
    My people have been telling me that most members of Congress have recieved thousands of calls, with 100 to 1 being opposed to the resolution/war.
    I thought I was the only one who objected, from what the media stuffs down our throats.

    Are those calls going to Republicans or Democrats BTW?
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    The President does not need the approval to send troops into Iraqi, despite the 1973 War Powers Act. All of these battles listed below were with out approval of Congress…

    Reagan dispatched U.S. Marines to Lebanon in 1982, U.S. invasion of Grenada on October 25, 1983, and in 1986 bombing terrorist-related targets in Tripoli and Benghazi.

    President Bush, on December 20, 1989, dispatched U.S. military forces to Panama in order to depose Noriega, August, 1990 President Bush, without seeking and obtaining prior congressional authorization, initially dispatched 230,000 U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia.

    President Clinton in the Summer of 1993, sent troops into Somalia.

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    Originally posted by sitekeeper
    The President does not need the approval to send troops into Iraqi, despite the 1973 War Powers Act. All of these battles listed below were with out approval of Congress…

    Reagan dispatched U.S. Marines to Lebanon in 1982, U.S. invasion of Grenada on October 25, 1983, and in 1986 bombing terrorist-related targets in Tripoli and Benghazi.

    President Bush, on December 20, 1989, dispatched U.S. military forces to Panama in order to depose Noriega, August, 1990 President Bush, without seeking and obtaining prior congressional authorization, initially dispatched 230,000 U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia.

    President Clinton in the Summer of 1993, sent troops into Somalia.
    That seems like a lot of battles. Hopefully we got something other than the wrath of other nations as a result.
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    No, all you'll get is wrath..

    Look at the protests in the middle east, expect more terrorists coming your way, thanks to your stupid pres.

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    Originally posted by edude
    No, all you'll get is wrath..

    Look at the protests in the middle east, expect more terrorists coming your way, thanks to your stupid pres.
    Do you know something we don't?
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    Bush does not deserve any authority. LOL You couldn't even say an old quote right LOL.

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    how is those powers dictator like? he could just declare marshall law easy...why are oyu all so opposed to the usa' showing iraq reality?
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    Originally posted by edude
    No, all you'll get is wrath..

    Look at the protests in the middle east, expect more terrorists coming your way, thanks to your stupid pres.
    reality check edude why is our pres stupid? just cause you dont agree with him makes him stupid right? you cant please everyone...quick question if you say he's stupid then he would be stupid correct? if you use that logic i can think your stupid and you're stupid
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    Stupid!

    I expected something a little more intelligent coming from you edude. Guess I expect too much eh?
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    haha, its true, people in the mid east already hate the west (especially U.S), now you will make them hate you even more, but i guess thats your aim, kill more innocent iraqis, what do you want a kid dieing of cancer to beg for his life from you?

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    Actually stupids are (here-Europe) some rich guys that like to play the country presidents and play with our heads, supporting decisions made by the USA. If USA wants to 'play' war, although I think this is a huge error, they should do it on their own, without expecting other guys to risk their heads. There are many European countries that have great relationships with the Arabic world and they don't really risk to live facts like the NY attacks (not for any special reason but just because they have a more intelligent diplomatic strategy).

    I'm sure that the middle-east people (normal everyday people, presidents, governments, and terrorists) are more than able to see the difference between USA(+ UK) and other European countries. So those who feel under attack or war , if they want to attack Iraq, should not ask from the others to support or understand them and some European Presidents should learn to listen more their people (citizens) and not Mr. Bush.

    As for Bush...he is innocent...I consider him innocent...if I think his cultural background and the family in which he lived his years as kid and adult...I mean check his father's decisions on war issues to understand why the son likes to 'play' war.

    I wouldn't expect it but sometimes I miss that red-white face of Clinton. Oh yes now I remember ...make sex not war.

    My post has no intention to insult someone or to create hard feelings, but hey guys WAR is WAR...let's all of us try to be a bit more inteligent and skeptical against this word and its effects.

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    I really hope it doesn't come to yet another war in the middle east. The US hasn't really ever stopped bombing Iraq you know:

    http://www.ccmep.org/us_bombing_watch.html

    for some recent examples (past two years).

    I don't have much of an opinion of this - at least not that I should mention on a public message board, suffice to say I hope these sort of things go away one day (not much chance of that I suppose). I'd hate to see my little girl grow up in a world that seems constantly trying to kill itself and others.

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    reality check edude why is our pres stupid? just cause you don’t [sic] agree with him makes him stupid right?
    Wrong, I'm not going to say that Bush is stupid but he sure isn’t smart. We can get beyond his plentiful verbal mistakes by looking at his past. He ran 3 oil companies that then failed. That kind of does sound stupid. Interactive, just because you're a Bush whore doesn't mean that the rest of us can't have reasoned opinions.
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    As for Bush...he is innocent...I consider him innocent...
    Whatever. Bush is far from innocent. He has had dealings with bin Laden, called off the FBI/CIA investigation into the bin Laden family as soon as he was sworn in, and is just playing everyone for oil and big business. Don't try to pass that off on his upbringing.
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    Hmm. Even for those who want Saddam out, do you really want your son/daughter to potentially die over there? If Iraq is what Bush says it is, it could be just like another Vietnam, especially if they use their fancy chemical weapons.

    I didn't really want to start another "Who do you blame?" thread. All I wanted to do was bring people to contact their Congressmen.
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    I suppose it hasn't occured to some of you guys that the president or other high up officials making the decisions around washington might know a tiny bit more than you pick up watching cnn for 20 minutes at night, and they might have a very good reason for doing what they are doing.

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    Edude-

    Regarding that child that is dying of cancer, lying in a hospital - you asked if he should beg to live.

    What would you say about it if underneath that hospital is a bunker of chemical weapons? Or maybe nuclear materials?

    Saddam is only fooling the uneducated people of the world when he pulls that sh*t. Are the people against this movement so willing to forget that this is the guy that's used those chemical weapons against the kurds in his own country, that he without provocation took over Kuwait, that he's gone against the wishes of the WORLD (un resolutions) by denying access to verify they haven't been stockpiling weapons.

    He's an immediate threat to Israel (given proximity and hatred), and everyone around him.

    America doesn't make movements like this because they want to colonialize these areas. America helped Kuwait be free, Afghanistan only had peacekeepers there until they are stable.

    Anti-American attitudes just seem like petty jealousy. Sad to see.

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    Originally posted by interactive


    reality check edude why is our pres stupid? just cause you dont agree with him makes him stupid right? you cant please everyone...quick question if you say he's stupid then he would be stupid correct? if you use that logic i can think your stupid and you're stupid
    Actually facts do speak for themselves. I am a staunch republican who wished I had voted for Gore this time around. Truth of the matter is our president is pretty stupid.

    There is an old saying, believe non of what you hear and only half of what you say. Well that saying rings true every time you turn on the news. Don't believe a word of it as it is all fiction.


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    Originally posted by edude
    haha, its true, people in the mid east already hate the west (especially U.S), now you will make them hate you even more, but i guess thats your aim, kill more innocent iraqis, what do you want a kid dieing of cancer to beg for his life from you?

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    Originally posted by michaeln


    Actually facts do speak for themselves. I am a staunch republican who wished I had voted for Gore this time around. Truth of the matter is our president is pretty stupid.

    There is an old saying, believe non of what you hear and only half of what you say. Well that saying rings true every time you turn on the news. Don't believe a word of it as it is all fiction.


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    maybe im missing something here but would you please tell me why he's stupid? see everyone says hes stupid but they cant back their trash up...just cause you and edude dont agree with him has nothing to do with him being stupid...shouldn't let your opinions get in the way of your judgement...as for gore...look what he did when he lost the election? he went crying he knew he lost he had rigged it (IMHO) but the rig failed...see he just pulled that little stunt..what do you think would happen if he was in office and wtc fell down? we would be sitting on our thumbs right now saying that we forgive the taliban the pansys that were trying to attack us...im an independant btw i make my calls off of actions not off what political party he or she is in.
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    Originally posted by mind21_98
    Hmm. Even for those who want Saddam out, do you really want your son/daughter to potentially die over there? If Iraq is what Bush says it is, it could be just like another Vietnam, especially if they use their fancy chemical weapons.

    I didn't really want to start another "Who do you blame?" thread. All I wanted to do was bring people to contact their Congressmen.
    ok ill contact him...ill let him know i support him all the way even if i dont agree with soemthing...and if we just nuked iraq and start over it would be a better place...as the israeli's moto goes kill em' all and let God sort them out...
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    Originally posted by interactive
    course [removed] will probly go stick women and children out at the fence so we dont attack them...its really sad they have to use their own people like that to protect themselves...kinda reminds me of russia you know?
    Do you have any proof of that? (not saying you're wrong or right)
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    Originally posted by interactive
    ok ill contact him...ill let him know i support him all the way even if i dont agree with soemthing...and if we just nuked iraq and start over it would be a better place...as the israeli's moto goes kill em' all and let God sort them out...
    Except there'd be radiation for at least 10,000 years, and any oil that we could have gained (if this is what the war's about) would be inaccessible.

    Your call though.
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    ya hold on...it wasn't during the golf war it was one of the many times they wouldn't let the inspectors in so they were gunna get thir butt kicked...
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    interactive,

    Do you really think this enourmous super power of ours as you like to call it is really worried about some little tiny country in the middle of the desert? Do you really think that is what this is about?

    No dude, oil. Money. We want the oil and as long as we have troops in the middle east we can control it a little. Iraq could have cared less about the US if we hadn't bullied them around before.

    We, the US, sticks our nose where it does not belong. We take actions that causes innocent people to suffer. While doing so we say it is for the innocent people but that is really who we end up hurting. Why in the world do you think the terrorist hate the US so. Just because we are the strongest nation on the earth?

    Secondly do you honestly think we need to send 250,000 troops in to out Sadam? NOT... It is all political. We could have gotten that man any of 1000 times with a headshot if we really wanted to out him. Don't you understand that while he is in power we have a reason to be there and have sanctions over that country which in turn helps us control the price of our oil.

    And now Bush wants to secure a second election and really war is generally the best way...


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    Don't get me wrong, I understand Gor is a pasny rear end of a donkey.

    We really didn't have a good pick this time around for president. Probably will not next go round either.

    Point is Bush is willing to make the lives of people in this country worse for political gain. As I said before we could have ousted Sadam in number of times but chose not to because it didn't help our oil situation any to out him.

    Terrorist are already pissed off at this country for these idiotic things we do just to keep our oil prices down etc. Do you really think attacking Iraq is going to slow down terrorist attacks. NOT.... They will only get worse and worse. It will be like living in TelAviv..

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    Originally posted by michaeln
    interactive,

    Do you really think this enourmous super power of ours as you like to call it is really worried about some little tiny country in the middle of the desert? Do you really think that is what this is about?

    No dude, oil. Money. We want the oil and as long as we have troops in the middle east we can control it a little. Iraq could have cared less about the US if we hadn't bullied them around before.

    We, the US, sticks our nose where it does not belong. We take actions that causes innocent people to suffer. While doing so we say it is for the innocent people but that is really who we end up hurting. Why in the world do you think the terrorist hate the US so. Just because we are the strongest nation on the earth?

    Secondly do you honestly think we need to send 250,000 troops in to out Sadam? NOT... It is all political. We could have gotten that man any of 1000 times with a headshot if we really wanted to out him. Don't you understand that while he is in power we have a reason to be there and have sanctions over that country which in turn helps us control the price of our oil.

    And now Bush wants to secure a second election and really war is generally the best way...


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    rofl maybe its me but your wrong to sya the least...first of all if this was over oil we wouldn't be fighting with them....smart one 90% of our oil comes from off shore drilling (which your gore was pledging to stop) and the artic...the other 10% comes from OPEC...yet some how opec is able to control our prices..if we were worried about oil we could just go get it from russia they have massive oil fields..another thing say your son (iuf you have one errevalant though) has a gun you know hes telling all his friends hes gunna kill you cause you didn't buy him a new toy or something....so you just wait till the time he tries to kill you to take the gun or do you take it away from him now? iraq's bringing this on themselves all they have to do is open the gates to weapon inspectors. if youlook at the stats (look at what happend to his father) we kicked some royal ass in the golf war...yet his father didn't get re-elected.half the reaosn we stck our nose in crap is cause of the un (we wont go into the un though) them and their "peace keeping" forces...
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    Originally posted by interactive
    rofl maybe its me but your wrong to sya the least...first of all if this was over oil we wouldn't be fighting with them....smart one 90% of our oil comes from off shore drilling (which your gore was pledging to stop) and the artic...the other 10% comes from OPEC...
    I heard that increasing the average mpg rating of every car in America by even 1mpg will save more oil that all of ANWR (Artic National Wildlife Refuge) will be able to provide. Doesn't seem like much now that you think about it.
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    Originally posted by michaeln
    Don't get me wrong, I understand Gor is a pasny rear end of a donkey.

    We really didn't have a good pick this time around for president. Probably will not next go round either.

    Point is Bush is willing to make the lives of people in this country worse for political gain. As I said before we could have ousted Sadam in number of times but chose not to because it didn't help our oil situation any to out him.

    Terrorist are already pissed off at this country for these idiotic things we do just to keep our oil prices down etc. Do you really think attacking Iraq is going to slow down terrorist attacks. NOT.... They will only get worse and worse. It will be like living in TelAviv..

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    I give up and suggest you study your history better.

    I don't know if you you messed up in your profile but it shows you are now 15.. Congrats on your birthday a few months ago..

    This country is not the Saint you are taught that it is. Nor does it take rocket science to figure this out.

    Regardless of your age I suggest you do a few things to learn something about this wonderful country of ours.

    First study your history.

    You need to keep something in mind. What you see on CNN each night is grossly fabricated, twisted, etc...

    My point is that we normal people are not given the facts. I think your devotion and loyalty to your country is admirable. Patriotisim is a good thing. However, you will be let down one day when things don't work out the way you think...

    Good luck.....
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    And now I am off to take a nap as I went back to read a few of my posts and even I can't understand them. I suppose sleep is important..
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    BTW: if anyone wants to email their Congressmen:

    http://www.house.gov/writerep/

    It's only in the House of Representatives right now (the resolution), but if you want to contact your Senators too: http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm.

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    Originally posted by michaeln
    I give up and suggest you study your history better.

    I don't know if you you messed up in your profile but it shows you are now 15.. Congrats on your birthday a few months ago..

    This country is not the Saint you are taught that it is. Nor does it take rocket science to figure this out.

    Regardless of your age I suggest you do a few things to learn something about this wonderful country of ours.

    First study your history.

    You need to keep something in mind. What you see on CNN each night is grossly fabricated, twisted, etc...

    My point is that we normal people are not given the facts. I think your devotion and loyalty to your country is admirable. Patriotisim is a good thing. However, you will be let down one day when things don't work out the way you think...

    Good luck.....
    fYI ya im 15 and im graduated from high school. im currently enrolled in college...ive studied history for a decent ammount of time....I dont watch tv much at all (i go to the movies once a week with friends) thats it...not to mention cnn is owned by ted turner another reason not to watch it
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    Originally posted by michaeln
    interactive,

    Do you really think this enourmous super power of ours as you like to call it is really worried about some little tiny country in the middle of the desert? Do you really think that is what this is about?

    No dude, oil. Money. We want the oil and as long as we have troops in the middle east we can control it a little. Iraq could have cared less about the US if we hadn't bullied them around before.

    We, the US, sticks our nose where it does not belong. We take actions that causes innocent people to suffer. While doing so we say it is for the innocent people but that is really who we end up hurting. Why in the world do you think the terrorist hate the US so. Just because we are the strongest nation on the earth?

    Secondly do you honestly think we need to send 250,000 troops in to out Sadam? NOT... It is all political. We could have gotten that man any of 1000 times with a headshot if we really wanted to out him. Don't you understand that while he is in power we have a reason to be there and have sanctions over that country which in turn helps us control the price of our oil.

    And now Bush wants to secure a second election and really war is generally the best way...


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    I somewhat disagree, Yes the US sticks their nose in everything. They took that job over from the Brits and the French.

    I believe the US is more afraid of a Middle East nuclear war or chemical war between israel and Iraq. An ousting of Israel in the Middle East would make Saddam a God. He's attacked them before - he may do it again but this time it will be nuclear. This may just be my opinion though.

    If the US goes into Iraq it is not because of the oil. The US doesn't need oil, they've got their own. Wanna bet they don't stay around Iraq very long when they invade. Sure they'll bring peace and stability to the country, but after that they have no reason to be there.

    And no the US could not have gotten rid of Saddam - they have a law in the US against assassination. As well Saddam is a hard man to find - he doesn't sleep in the same bed every night. If they've had these airstrikes constantly couldn't they have accidently dropped one on him. The CIA does not know where Saddam is. Plus the US went the way of the UN. They decided to follow the rules, put sanctions on Iraq and hope there was an ousting of power or heaven forbid Saddam complied with the resolutions. Well the UN failed - Saddam has successfully made himself out to be the victim in the Arab world. I say no matter what the US does, Saddam will be seen as a martyr in the eyes of all Arab muslims in the middle East - just as Abul Nasser was in Egypt.

    If Bush wants to win a second election he should be looking at the domestic issues that are palguing the country. RECESSION!! If Bush doesn't look back home at whats going on hes gonna lose war or no war. The American voters have a legacy of voting in those that take care of the problems back home.
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    Hostkookster,

    There is actually a good bit of info in what you are said though oil does have more to do with it than you give it credit for.

    Unfortunately it gets a little more complex than just worrying about our own oil prices etc... It gets really complex. One reason I for one would not want to be president.

    Just thinking about it all is mind bending..

    Anyway I have to get some work done now that I have had a nap.. Ahh sleep is great...

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    Strategic bombings? please read jedito's thread your worser than the arabs thats right, look you put pinochet in power, you put saddam in power, how many people have they killed? Its all your fault and your killing more everyday...

    Cut out the racism, i never called you a [removed]..

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    Originally posted by interactive


    the reason they hate us like a lot of people is cause we are the world super power and you know it...we're doing strategic bombing like bombing bunkers and craps not pre schools....course your fag arabs will probly go stick women and children out at the fence so we dont attack them...its really sad they have to use their own people like that to protect themselves...kinda reminds me of russia you know? they dont have any thought of a human being valuable...look what happend to russia (they fell cause they were commies) they have a whole lot bigger populus to...your pansy arabs wont do it for long...

    btw where you from edude?
    Last edited by Chicken; 09-29-2002 at 02:52 PM.

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    Jealousy? NO!

    We just want you to leave us alone and live our lives..

    we dont need you..

    also attack israel hahah hes only done it with a few useless skuds, please..


    iraq has nothing, our anti aircraft batteries are from world war 2, you've hurt us enough..

    You used depleted uranium against us, its proven, look what happened to your own troops...

    we have no clean water thanks to your sanctions, we can't purchase machines to clean water, sewerage etc..

    our country is a hole thanks to you people, go away, get out of the middle east your not wanted!

    Kuwait gave alot of free/cheap oil in return for protection, same goes for saudi.


    Originally posted by WildCard
    Edude-

    Regarding that child that is dying of cancer, lying in a hospital - you asked if he should beg to live.

    What would you say about it if underneath that hospital is a bunker of chemical weapons? Or maybe nuclear materials?

    Saddam is only fooling the uneducated people of the world when he pulls that sh*t. Are the people against this movement so willing to forget that this is the guy that's used those chemical weapons against the kurds in his own country, that he without provocation took over Kuwait, that he's gone against the wishes of the WORLD (un resolutions) by denying access to verify they haven't been stockpiling weapons.

    He's an immediate threat to Israel (given proximity and hatred), and everyone around him.

    America doesn't make movements like this because they want to colonialize these areas. America helped Kuwait be free, Afghanistan only had peacekeepers there until they are stable.

    Anti-American attitudes just seem like petty jealousy. Sad to see.

    -WC-

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