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  1. #1
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    Unethical?

    If you caught a client with warez would you report him or just cancel account ('yes' for report, 'no' for cancel account)

    If you caught a client with illegal mp3's would you report him or just cancel account ('yes' for report, 'no' for cancel account)

    If you caught a client with child pornography would you report him or just cancel account ('yes' for report, 'no' for cancel account)


    Here are my answers.

    1: No
    2: No
    3: Yes

    Does this mean im unethical?

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    Actually the question was in reference to a request in the requests forum, and the actual question I asked was "would you report it"

    my version of the poll can be found in the biz forum http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...threadid=75567

    thanks

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    On the child pornography issue, I'd contact the FBI before doing anything. It's possible they'd want the site to remain open and available in order to collect evidence.

    -Bob

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    Originally posted by TMX
    On the child pornography issue, I'd contact the FBI before doing anything. It's possible they'd want the site to remain open and available in order to collect evidence.

    -Bob
    exactly, closing the site right away just leads the client to believe that hosts in general don't care - they'll just pack up and switch to another host..

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    1. Yes
    2. No
    3. I'd make a backup of the site somewhere on the server, then I'd close the account and report the it the authorities.

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    1. Probably just close it.

    2. Probably just close it.

    3. Notify any authorities I could get to listen. However I wouldn't allow it on my servers a minute longer than it had to be. I just couldn't sleep at night knowing it was there. Taking a mirror of it for the authorities would also be something I would do.
    Last edited by Andrew; 09-19-2002 at 06:09 PM.

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    Originally posted by lightnin
    1. Probably just close it.

    2. Probably just close it.

    3. Notify any authorities I could get to listen. However I wouldn't allow it on my servers a minute longer than it had to be. I just couldn't sleep at night knowing it was there. Taking a mirror of it for the authorities would also be something I would do.
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    Hmm, MP3s and warez aren't worth reporting, but child porn is.

    BTW: What about those sites with hacker tools on em? Would you report them as well?
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    Theres no real point in reporting mp3/warez as it is way to prevalent now for authories to worry about some wannabe 'warez king' that links to or stores a few illegal programs. Of course, if it is a huge warez site with millions of hits then that might be different.

    Child P. is definately something to report, but its good to get it off the public web to another storage place.

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    1.No
    2.No
    3.Yes. The FBI needs to be contacted as soon as possible.
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    Originally posted by akash


    exactly, closing the site right away just leads the client to believe that hosts in general don't care - they'll just pack up and switch to another host..
    Yes. MP's i might think about it. But Porn, I will contact the FBI.

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    Even for warez and MP3's - depending on how MUCH - I would consider just letting them off with a warning.

    Who here DOSENT download an occasional mp3 on kazaa or gnutella?

    But for CP - its SICK and DICUSTING

    Definitely report it.

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    Warez/MP3's shut em down for good (atleast on my servers)

    Kiddie Porn notify FBI.. Local Police and everyone else I can think of.. Sad but true I have done this in the past and gotten a brief thanks and a pat on the back and nothing else..

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    Originally posted by OKIHost
    Warez/MP3's shut em down for good (atleast on my servers)

    Kiddie Porn notify FBI.. Local Police and everyone else I can think of.. Sad but true I have done this in the past and gotten a brief thanks and a pat on the back and nothing else..
    thank you

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    1) contact the software vendors and get the reward

    2) terminate account.

    3) contact the FBI and get the enjoyment of having someone put way for hurting children

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  16. #16
    1. Depends on what software was being pirated. I would require a court order before I would shut a customer's website down if they were paying for thier account and it's bandwidth usage on time. Otherwise, kill for non-payment.

    2. Depends on what MP3s were being traded. I would require a court order before I would shut a customer's website down if they were paying for thier account and it's bandwidth usage on time. Otherwise, kill for non-payment.

    Personally, I see nothing wrong with MP3 trading as I myself have over 10GB on my LAN here and I dont think a CD is worth $10.00, espically when I know how much of that actually goes to the artists. Most of you will differ with me on this, but thats your right.

    3. Kill site, Ban User.


    Note:

    I never police my servers. I offer free hosting on one of my servers to a couple of sites in exchange for free advertising on thier sites. What my customers do is thier business and I am not going to go poking around thier sites, mail, etc. and see what moral sins they have been up to lately.

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    If I had a hosting company...

    1. Just shut the site down. I wouldn't report it.
    2. Just shut the site down. I wouldn't report it.
    2. Contact the FBI/police immediately.

    Warez/mp3 is forgivable, but childporn is unforgivable and really disgusting.
    By occasionally downloading an mp3 or expensive programs like Photoshop only the big companies "suffer" (I say "suffer" because CD's and programs are way overpriced so I really think that it doesn't matter to them if they loose some money).
    But with child pornagraphy there's a HUGE difference. The children really suffer and get scars for life. It's tragic.

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    programs are way overpriced so I really think that it doesn't matter to them if they loose some money).
    I agree that cds are over priced (i dont buy them, i just subscribe to mx for $10/mo), but why do you think software is overpriced?

    and for the one who said its forgiveable, what if they earned money off of it?

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    Originally posted by kkimmel
    1. Depends on what software was being pirated.
    Why would that matter?

    <edit>

    nevermind - I just googled through a couple of your domains


    </edit>

    -Bob
    Last edited by TMX; 09-20-2002 at 09:41 AM.

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    Pirate shareware or software from a private author who is just trying to feed his kids, that ticks me off. These people work damn hard on thier software products and they deserve to be paid the measly $5 to $50.00 they ask. They earned it.

    Pirate the latest copy of Windows or some other POS M$ software product, and thats fine with me. Come on, you all dont actually think Windows is WORTHY of your hard-earned cash, do you? I mean lord, all the time and money you spend patching and patching the OS like a leaky dam is hardly forgiveable.

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    Which is why if you are really really nice to M$, you can get most of their software for free, or at the very least, dirtcheap (I've got XP Pro, FULL for $85, compared to $300), haven't yet paid for MS Money (3 years straight)....

    but thanks for your comments

  22. #22
    1, Contact Client and Software Vendor
    2, Contact Client and MP3 Owner(if found)
    3,Contact ISI(Our Version of FBI)


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  23. #23
    1. Backup Files, Remove. Notify client. It may not all be illegal, and I'll let the client voice his word before I realize I screwed up and make them upload 2000 megs again.

    2. Same. Not all MP3's are illegal. I have a lot of friends who make their own MP3's for their bands and they search in Kazaa and the other file trading software for their own songs to see how well they are doing. Backup, Notify User, Let user fight for it.

    3. Backup. Remove Content. Notify Client. Forward on to local police department- they handle it from there and make sure it goes upstream correctly. (Canada.)
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    Originally posted by ADEhost
    1) contact the software vendors and get the reward

    2) terminate account.

    3) contact the FBI and get the enjoyment of having someone put way for hurting children

    Mike
    Well said, well said...

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    I don't consider myself a legal authority or the moral police. In all 3 cases (and any others you care to bring up) my answer is:
    - backup the site to CD-ROM
    - suspend the account
    - wait for the customer's dialog, saving all communications, also to CD-ROM
    - terminate the account and remove all the files.

    However, I should point out that I do watch out for anyone I don't know, getting into a crop-duster that I don't own. In that case, I call the FBI every time.

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    I don't know for sure whether one or two are criminal matters. I don't even know ABSOLUTELY whether three is.

    But I consider those who do one and two to be thieves, so I would report all three events to law enforcement.

    Seeing what I believe may be a crime and not reporting it is like sticking my head in the sand. Is it OK for a crime to be committed as long as it was not in my neighborhood, against my family or against me?
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