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Old 11-30-2008, 07:02 PM
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Ecatel = Colinks = Iqarus | Links with Russian Business Network (RBN)

Please do NOT reply without reading the whole post.
Yes, this is probably my first and last thread about reviews about any service provider. I personally hate bashing people and always tend to resolve matters on my own with providers/customers without involving 3rd party (current/past customers and providers can acknowledge this) but this time its gone way out of the line and this thread is purely meant as a negative review of Ecatel or Colinks or Iqarus or whatever you call this slimy set of people. I am done speaking soft and trying to act nicely to them.
What made me go this far? If a provider accepts the fact that he is wrong after proving countless number of times, I would not make this thread. Heck, I would not make this thread if they did NOT agree that its their fault. This case is gone so far that these people blame me (personally) for all the crap that they have dug. Now its time to bury them in the same pit.
They have ripped me of for around 5000 EUR worth of business every month. I won't go into details but the reason for cancellation is described later in this thread. They have ignored all later attempts of contact after terminating services with us. So I have no clue as to what their problem was.
Coming to the thread title now... does anyone know about the fact the Ecatel was formerly known as Iqarus and before that as Colinks. If there are any senior/old members on this forum who can comment on it, I am sure they can provide quite a number of incidents where this Company has scammed 100+ number of clients.
Here are few links right here on WHT that shows Iqarus's scams:http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...9 100s of threads claiming their history to be fraudulent
For proof here is one:http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL68266
Quote:


213.202.214.0/32
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:19:58
SBL44871 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks = as29073.net
89.248.160.0/20
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:20:11
SBL44870 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks hosting spammers


At this point it is very easy to tell what kind of a shaddy organization this is. Sending SPAM emails consecutively and become known for it... hmmm.
Okay, lets all assume that now Ecatel is a clean organization. May be the bad habits have been left to die with the two old fraudulent Companies. But NO! They are the same set of people and have turned even worse... Now they are in direct relationship with the a Russian cyber-gang known as the Russian Business Network (RBN). I make a big claim here because the RBN is probably wanted by most law-enforcement authories around the world. You can read more about RBN here, here and here (please read this in particular).Now here are my findings depicting RBN and Ecatel's affiliation:http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks...7/1649032.aspxhttp://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/10...sesthosts.htmlhttp://maipiugromozon.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.htmlhttp://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/421Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
You can just Google "rbn ecatel" and find thousands of results deeming this organizations links with the RBN. I am now not the sole person having these facts. Most people involved with networking security know about this and now its time for the layman to know too.
At this point I proved that it is safer to keep away from Ecatel so that:
- you can stay away from all RBN related prosectutions
- prevent yourself from being scammed (colinks/iqarus quote)
I know pretty well how Ecatel is going to react/reply to this thread. Obviously for starters put up a pile of garbage info they will generate on me with no factual evidence whatsoever (they have gone far enough as to mention I have links with RBN and thus my rant here). AND completely ignoring to defend themselves of the claims I have made above (its their specality on escaping such blames).
I urge everyone of you to first ask Ecatel for a response for the above claims and then (if they last that long; they can open a new thread, WHT loves good content) they can hammer me with all the garbage they will pile up. Notice here that, all my proof of evidence is directly quote from 3rd party reliable websites and not from my email inbox that only I can verify. Ofcourse Ecatel will ignore this statement and continue to hammer me with falsified information, but I have another reliable 3rd party website that I can use as protection (as atleast he says the situation the same way as I do).http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/422
I hope you all make proper and informed decisions. Oh btw, according to Dutch law (or perhaps every country's law) an Internet Service Provider needs to have an agreement with their client about what they are allowed to run on their network (known as Terms of Service/Acceptable Usage Policy) and Ecatel has none. These people can be shutdown easily because of just this, forget all the RBN and crap!
Its 4:30 AM here. Will go and get a cup of coffee and wait for replies. Will definite get my lawyer working on these guys. I am hell determined to close this case for good. And extremely sorry for the long thread...
Regards,
Ganesh





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Old 11-30-2008, 07:02 PM
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Ecatel = Colinks = Iqarus | Links with Russian Business Network (RBN)

Please do NOT reply without reading the whole post.
Yes, this is probably my first and last thread about reviews about any service provider. I personally hate bashing people and always tend to resolve matters on my own with providers/customers without involving 3rd party (current/past customers and providers can acknowledge this) but this time its gone way out of the line and this thread is purely meant as a negative review of Ecatel or Colinks or Iqarus or whatever you call this slimy set of people. I am done speaking soft and trying to act nicely to them.
What made me go this far? If a provider accepts the fact that he is wrong after proving countless number of times, I would not make this thread. Heck, I would not make this thread if they did NOT agree that its their fault. This case is gone so far that these people blame me (personally) for all the crap that they have dug. Now its time to bury them in the same pit.
They have ripped me of for around 5000 EUR worth of business every month. I won't go into details but the reason for cancellation is described later in this thread. They have ignored all later attempts of contact after terminating services with us. So I have no clue as to what their problem was.
Coming to the thread title now... does anyone know about the fact the Ecatel was formerly known as Iqarus and before that as Colinks. If there are any senior/old members on this forum who can comment on it, I am sure they can provide quite a number of incidents where this Company has scammed 100+ number of clients.
Here are few links right here on WHT that shows Iqarus's scams:http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...9 100s of threads claiming their history to be fraudulent
For proof here is one:http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL68266
Quote:


213.202.214.0/32
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:19:58
SBL44871 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks = as29073.net
89.248.160.0/20
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:20:11
SBL44870 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks hosting spammers


At this point it is very easy to tell what kind of a shaddy organization this is. Sending SPAM emails consecutively and become known for it... hmmm.
Okay, lets all assume that now Ecatel is a clean organization. May be the bad habits have been left to die with the two old fraudulent Companies. But NO! They are the same set of people and have turned even worse... Now they are in direct relationship with the a Russian cyber-gang known as the Russian Business Network (RBN). I make a big claim here because the RBN is probably wanted by most law-enforcement authories around the world. You can read more about RBN here, here and here (please read this in particular).Now here are my findings depicting RBN and Ecatel's affiliation:http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks...7/1649032.aspxhttp://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/10...sesthosts.htmlhttp://maipiugromozon.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.htmlhttp://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/421Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
You can just Google "rbn ecatel" and find thousands of results deeming this organizations links with the RBN. I am now not the sole person having these facts. Most people involved with networking security know about this and now its time for the layman to know too.
At this point I proved that it is safer to keep away from Ecatel so that:
- you can stay away from all RBN related prosectutions
- prevent yourself from being scammed (colinks/iqarus quote)
I know pretty well how Ecatel is going to react/reply to this thread. Obviously for starters put up a pile of garbage info they will generate on me with no factual evidence whatsoever (they have gone far enough as to mention I have links with RBN and thus my rant here). AND completely ignoring to defend themselves of the claims I have made above (its their specality on escaping such blames).
I urge everyone of you to first ask Ecatel for a response for the above claims and then (if they last that long; they can open a new thread, WHT loves good content) they can hammer me with all the garbage they will pile up. Notice here that, all my proof of evidence is directly quote from 3rd party reliable websites and not from my email inbox that only I can verify. Ofcourse Ecatel will ignore this statement and continue to hammer me with falsified information, but I have another reliable 3rd party website that I can use as protection (as atleast he says the situation the same way as I do).http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/422
I hope you all make proper and informed decisions. Oh btw, according to Dutch law (or perhaps every country's law) an Internet Service Provider needs to have an agreement with their client about what they are allowed to run on their network (known as Terms of Service/Acceptable Usage Policy) and Ecatel has none. These people can be shutdown easily because of just this, forget all the RBN and crap!
Its 4:30 AM here. Will go and get a cup of coffee and wait for replies. Will definite get my lawyer working on these guys. I am hell determined to close this case for good. And extremely sorry for the long thread...
Regards,
Ganesh





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Old 11-30-2008, 08:02 PM
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Please do NOT reply without reading the whole post.
Yes, this is probably my first and last thread about reviews about any service provider. I personally hate bashing people and always tend to resolve matters on my own with providers/customers without involving 3rd party (current/past customers and providers can acknowledge this) but this time its gone way out of the line and this thread is purely meant as a negative review of Ecatel or Colinks or Iqarus or whatever you call this slimy set of people. I am done speaking soft and trying to act nicely to them.
What made me go this far? If a provider accepts the fact that he is wrong after proving countless number of times, I would not make this thread. Heck, I would not make this thread if they did NOT agree that its their fault. This case is gone so far that these people blame me (personally) for all the crap that they have dug. Now its time to bury them in the same pit.
They have ripped me of for around 5000 EUR worth of business every month. I won't go into details but the reason for cancellation is described later in this thread. They have ignored all later attempts of contact after terminating services with us. So I have no clue as to what their problem was.
Coming to the thread title now... does anyone know about the fact the Ecatel was formerly known as Iqarus and before that as Colinks. If there are any senior/old members on this forum who can comment on it, I am sure they can provide quite a number of incidents where this Company has scammed 100+ number of clients.
Here are few links right here on WHT that shows Iqarus's scams:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=5054479&postcount=11
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=5028016&postcount=4
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4504920&postcount=4
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4408192&postcount=15
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4513640&postcount=13
www.webhostingtalk.nl (http://www.webhostingtalk.nl) -> you'll love it when you do a search on these fellas; 100s of threads claiming their history to be fraudulent
For proof here is one:
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL68266
213.202.214.0/32
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:19:58
SBL44871 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks = as29073.net
89.248.160.0/20
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:20:11
SBL44870 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks hosting spammersAt this point it is very easy to tell what kind of a shaddy organization this is. Sending SPAM emails consecutively and become known for it... hmmm.
Okay, lets all assume that now Ecatel is a clean organization. May be the bad habits have been left to die with the two old fraudulent Companies. But NO! They are the same set of people and have turned even worse... Now they are in direct relationship with the a Russian cyber-gang known as the Russian Business Network (RBN). I make a big claim here because the RBN is probably wanted by most law-enforcement authories around the world. You can read more about RBN here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Business_Network), here (http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/2008/02/rbn-extortion-and-denial-of-service.html) and here (http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/2008/08/rbn-atrivo-cyber-crime-usa.html) (please read this in particular).
Now here are my findings depicting RBN and Ecatel's affiliation:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2008/09/27/1649032.aspx
http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/10/movement-by-estdomainsesthosts.html
http://maipiugromozon.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html
http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/421
Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=739238&page=12) which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):
http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
You can just Google "rbn ecatel" and find thousands of results deeming this organizations links with the RBN. I am now not the sole person having these facts. Most people involved with networking security know about this and now its time for the layman to know too.
At this point I proved that it is safer to keep away from Ecatel so that:
- you can stay away from all RBN related prosectutions
- prevent yourself from being scammed (colinks/iqarus quote)
I know pretty well how Ecatel is going to react/reply to this thread. Obviously for starters put up a pile of garbage info they will generate on me with no factual evidence whatsoever (they have gone far enough as to mention I have links with RBN and thus my rant here). AND completely ignoring to defend themselves of the claims I have made above (its their specality on escaping such blames).
I urge everyone of you to first ask Ecatel for a response for the above claims and then (if they last that long; they can open a new thread, WHT loves good content) they can hammer me with all the garbage they will pile up. Notice here that, all my proof of evidence is directly quote from 3rd party reliable websites and not from my email inbox that only I can verify. Ofcourse Ecatel will ignore this statement and continue to hammer me with falsified information, but I have another reliable 3rd party website that I can use as protection (as atleast he says the situation the same way as I do).
http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/422
I hope you all make proper and informed decisions. Oh btw, according to Dutch law (or perhaps every country's law) an Internet Service Provider needs to have an agreement with their client about what they are allowed to run on their network (known as Terms of Service/Acceptable Usage Policy) and Ecatel has none. These people can be shutdown easily because of just this, forget all the RBN and crap!
Its 4:30 AM here. Will go and get a cup of coffee and wait for replies. Will definite get my lawyer working on these guys. I am hell determined to close this case for good. And extremely sorry for the long thread...
Regards,
Ganesh

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Old 11-30-2008, 08:02 PM
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Please do NOT reply without reading the whole post.
Yes, this is probably my first and last thread about reviews about any service provider. I personally hate bashing people and always tend to resolve matters on my own with providers/customers without involving 3rd party (current/past customers and providers can acknowledge this) but this time its gone way out of the line and this thread is purely meant as a negative review of Ecatel or Colinks or Iqarus or whatever you call this slimy set of people. I am done speaking soft and trying to act nicely to them.
What made me go this far? If a provider accepts the fact that he is wrong after proving countless number of times, I would not make this thread. Heck, I would not make this thread if they did NOT agree that its their fault. This case is gone so far that these people blame me (personally) for all the crap that they have dug. Now its time to bury them in the same pit.
They have ripped me of for around 5000 EUR worth of business every month. I won't go into details but the reason for cancellation is described later in this thread. They have ignored all later attempts of contact after terminating services with us. So I have no clue as to what their problem was.
Coming to the thread title now... does anyone know about the fact the Ecatel was formerly known as Iqarus and before that as Colinks. If there are any senior/old members on this forum who can comment on it, I am sure they can provide quite a number of incidents where this Company has scammed 100+ number of clients.
Here are few links right here on WHT that shows Iqarus's scams:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=5054479&postcount=11
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=5028016&postcount=4
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4504920&postcount=4
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4408192&postcount=15
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=4513640&postcount=13
www.webhostingtalk.nl (http://www.webhostingtalk.nl) -> you'll love it when you do a search on these fellas; 100s of threads claiming their history to be fraudulent
For proof here is one:
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL68266
213.202.214.0/32
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:19:58
SBL44871 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks = as29073.net
89.248.160.0/20
Removed ecatel.net SR04
2008-09-28 21:20:11
SBL44870 ECATEL-AS AS29073 = iqarus.com = Colinks hosting spammersAt this point it is very easy to tell what kind of a shaddy organization this is. Sending SPAM emails consecutively and become known for it... hmmm.
Okay, lets all assume that now Ecatel is a clean organization. May be the bad habits have been left to die with the two old fraudulent Companies. But NO! They are the same set of people and have turned even worse... Now they are in direct relationship with the a Russian cyber-gang known as the Russian Business Network (RBN). I make a big claim here because the RBN is probably wanted by most law-enforcement authories around the world. You can read more about RBN here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Business_Network), here (http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/2008/02/rbn-extortion-and-denial-of-service.html) and here (http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/2008/08/rbn-atrivo-cyber-crime-usa.html) (please read this in particular).
Now here are my findings depicting RBN and Ecatel's affiliation:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2008/09/27/1649032.aspx
http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/10/movement-by-estdomainsesthosts.html
http://maipiugromozon.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html
http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/421
Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=739238&page=12) which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):
http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
You can just Google "rbn ecatel" and find thousands of results deeming this organizations links with the RBN. I am now not the sole person having these facts. Most people involved with networking security know about this and now its time for the layman to know too.
At this point I proved that it is safer to keep away from Ecatel so that:
- you can stay away from all RBN related prosectutions
- prevent yourself from being scammed (colinks/iqarus quote)
I know pretty well how Ecatel is going to react/reply to this thread. Obviously for starters put up a pile of garbage info they will generate on me with no factual evidence whatsoever (they have gone far enough as to mention I have links with RBN and thus my rant here). AND completely ignoring to defend themselves of the claims I have made above (its their specality on escaping such blames).
I urge everyone of you to first ask Ecatel for a response for the above claims and then (if they last that long; they can open a new thread, WHT loves good content) they can hammer me with all the garbage they will pile up. Notice here that, all my proof of evidence is directly quote from 3rd party reliable websites and not from my email inbox that only I can verify. Ofcourse Ecatel will ignore this statement and continue to hammer me with falsified information, but I have another reliable 3rd party website that I can use as protection (as atleast he says the situation the same way as I do).
http://www.matchent.com/wpress/?q=node/422
I hope you all make proper and informed decisions. Oh btw, according to Dutch law (or perhaps every country's law) an Internet Service Provider needs to have an agreement with their client about what they are allowed to run on their network (known as Terms of Service/Acceptable Usage Policy) and Ecatel has none. These people can be shutdown easily because of just this, forget all the RBN and crap!
Its 4:30 AM here. Will go and get a cup of coffee and wait for replies. Will definite get my lawyer working on these guys. I am hell determined to close this case for good. And extremely sorry for the long thread...
Regards,
Ganesh

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Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333



These IPs host SpamBots too:
89.248.172.26
93.174.93.209
93.174.93.208
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Originally Posted by ganesh-rao



Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333



These IPs host SpamBots too:
89.248.172.26
93.174.93.209
93.174.93.208
94.102.49.85





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Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=739238&page=12) which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):
http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
These IPs host SpamBots too:
89.248.172.26
93.174.93.209
93.174.93.208
94.102.49.85

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Here is a detailed explaination of their recent outage (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=739238&page=12) which also shows their relationship with the RBN AND their slimy activies (I love this link):
http://www.sudosecure.net/archives/333
These IPs host SpamBots too:
89.248.172.26
93.174.93.209
93.174.93.208
94.102.49.85

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The thing is, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck.
There are very few legitimate reasons I can think off to use ecatel other than to avoid certain terms or cheap pricing, their history is checkable before paying ( as you have shown) so why use them as a supplier in the first place.





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The thing is, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck.
There are very few legitimate reasons I can think off to use ecatel other than to avoid certain terms or cheap pricing, their history is checkable before paying ( as you have shown) so why use them as a supplier in the first place.





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The thing is, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck.
There are very few legitimate reasons I can think off to use ecatel other than to avoid certain terms or cheap pricing, their history is checkable before paying ( as you have shown) so why use them as a supplier in the first place.

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