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[jbodyconnection]

Hi Guys
I just got done talking to my ISP today and I got quote for FTTH with 5 static ip address with the speed of 1mb download 1mb upload my question is that going to be enough bandwidth to handle 2 different sites that is going to offer E-commerce? because I can get 1mb d/l 1mb upload for 29.95 and 2mb d/l 2mb upload for 49.95 or 5mb d/l and 5mb upload for 99.95 a month all this packages have 5 static ip address on it for 1 line.

[The Universes]

I assume your saying 1mbps (megabit) up and down. Thats a little over 100KB/s up, which isn't a whole lot. It would be cheaper and more reliable to purchase a VPS or shared hosting than to rig your home up with the faster speeds. Do you have any specific reasons for wanting it at your home? Does your ISP allow you to host servers?

[jbodyconnection]

the reason why I am going to do this at home is because me and my friend does not really want pay something 5 to 10 dollars extra month when this economy sucks anyways so and yes my ISP said it yes I can do it on residential line but the problem with residential line is that I only have 1 ip address so that is why I am going to get a extra line for business account put into place so I can get more static ip's. and when I was looking around for VPS I am seeing anywhere from 39.95 to 99.95 for 10GB-30GB of hard drive when I can install 80 gb for one site so there is no reason to get VPS.

and anyways when you said"1mbps (megabit) up and down. Thats a little over 100KB/s up" your information is incorrect its 1mbps = 1024kbps

anyways on my residential was 5mb I was getting 9080kb download and 3551kbps upload when my ISP came out and did a speed test and when I did my own speed test it was 11327kbs download and 3569 kbps upload that was for 5mb package.


here is a email from my ISP network manager

From: "Ed Davenport"
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:09:40 -050 Miller"
Subject: FW: TReichart Speed Test

>
>
>
> I wanted to forwarded this attachment on to you. On Saturday I had one of
> the tech out to your apartment complex with his laptop and had him plug into
> the same data port you are using to get your internet connection. At the
> time he ran several test and screen captured one of those test. We were very
> surprised to see that no policers had been set on your data port so you
> where receiving well over and above what you have been paying for. We set
> the policers to 5 meg plus 30% which is what we are required to run at on
> our Ultra High Speed Package. I have been told you are computer literate so
> I am sure that you understand there is no way to achieve full duplex on your
> up and down load speeds. Most ISP providers throttle their customers upload
> speeds to less than a ¼ of their overall bandwidth speeds. We on the other
> hand do not. You will receive far better uploads speeds through us do to the
> fact we have a Fiber Optic network. If you are currently receiving 4 Meg
> Download and 2 Meg Upload that is an average baseline for all of our 5 Meg
> customers. If you would check your equipment Routers, Hubs, Switches or
> anything that maybe be hampering your internet speeds internally. If you
> feel you are still not getting improper speeds please go to
> and run several test and send
> them to us for review.

[osphere]

Well...

Those 5 to 10 dollars extra a month really can make the difference, have you considered that maybe you'll end up paying those dollars because of electricity costs?

You can pay for just 10GB of space, and yes you can have in your home a 80 GB hardrive, but... are you going to use 80 GB?!

Lets say there is a blackout on your city, your costumers wont get to your site.... meaning you wont sell.

With a basic hosting account you can eliminate those problems.. you should consider that. I mean you can find some packages for 10 dollars!

[larwilliams]

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

the reason why I am going to do this at home is because me and my friend does not really want pay something 5 to 10 dollars extra month when this economy sucks anyways so and yes my ISP said it yes I can do it on residential line but the problem with residential line is that I only have 1 ip address so that is why I am going to get a extra line for business account put into place so I can get more static ip's. and when I was looking around for VPS I am seeing anywhere from 39.95 to 99.95 for 10GB-30GB of hard drive when I can install 80 gb for one site so there is no reason to get VPS.

and anyways when you said"1mbps (megabit) up and down. Thats a little over 100KB/s up" your information is incorrect its 1mbps = 1024kbps

Your referring to Kilobits, not kilobytes. 1Mbps is roughly 100kb/sec. And that doesn't account for TCP overhead at all.

I don't know what the traffic of the sites will be, but I doubt that will be fast enough for your needs. All you'd need is 10 people browsing your sites at the same time, and your bandwidth is already well maxed out.

[jbodyconnection]

Originally Posted by osphere

Well...

Those 5 to 10 dollars extra a month really can make the difference, have you considered that maybe you'll end up paying those dollars because of electricity costs?

You can pay for just 10GB of space, and yes you can have in your home a 80 GB hardrive, but... are you going to use 80 GB?!

Lets say there is a blackout on your city, your costumers wont get to your site.... meaning you wont sell.

With a basic hosting account you can eliminate those problems.. you should consider that. I mean you can find some packages for 10 dollars!

that is why you get a backup battery to run the power to computer and my internet is coming from outside from a cat5 . and if it wasnt big line to handle this why would the ISP carry the line then? its not really a 1mb download and upload I could get 2mbps download and upload on a 1mb package

[cabron]

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

the reason why I am going to do this at home is because me and my friend does not really want pay something 5 to 10 dollars extra month when this economy sucks anyways so and yes my ISP said it yes I can do it on residential line but the problem with residential line is that I only have 1 ip address so that is why I am going to get a extra line for business account put into place so I can get more static ip's. and when I was looking around for VPS I am seeing anywhere from 39.95 to 99.95 for 10GB-30GB of hard drive when I can install 80 gb for one site so there is no reason to get VPS.

What about a shared account? And you can find VPSs for the same or lower price. And how much space do you actually need for just 2 ecommerce sites?

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

and anyways when you said"1mbps (megabit) up and down. Thats a little over 100KB/s up" your information is incorrect its 1mbps = 1024kbps

You are correct, but download speed that is displayed on your broser is in bytes not bits. So you could only download at 128kB/sec from your server. Which is very very slow.

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

anyways on my residential was 5mb I was getting 9080kb download and 3551kbps upload when my ISP came out and did a speed test and when I did my own speed test it was 11327kbs download and 3569 kbps upload that was for 5mb package.

How have you tested the connection to get those speeds?

[jbodyconnection]

my ISP came out to my outside box and tested from inside of the port and that is how they got the first test done and when I did my test I directly wired my pc to outline on the cat5 and did that test. and I got screenshoots to show for the speeds. just note this is not NO CABLE/DSL this is FTTH and I even got pictures of my ISP connection from the outside


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Originally Posted by jbodyconnection View Post
anyways on my residential was 5mb I was getting 9080kb download and 3551kbps upload when my ISP came out and did a speed test and when I did my own speed test it was 11327kbs download and 3569 kbps upload that was for 5mb package.
How have you tested the connection to get those speeds?

[xbox360]

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

the reason why I am going to do this at home is because me and my friend does not really want pay something 5 to 10 dollars extra month when this economy sucks anyways so and yes my ISP said it yes I can do it on residential line but the problem with residential line is that I only have 1 ip address so that is why I am going to get a extra line for business account put into place so I can get more static ip's. and when I was looking around for VPS I am seeing anywhere from 39.95 to 99.95 for 10GB-30GB of hard drive when I can install 80 gb for one site so there is no reason to get VPS.

and anyways when you said"1mbps (megabit) up and down. Thats a little over 100KB/s up" your information is incorrect its 1mbps = 1024kbps

anyways on my residential was 5mb I was getting 9080kb download and 3551kbps upload when my ISP came out and did a speed test and when I did my own speed test it was 11327kbs download and 3569 kbps upload that was for 5mb package.


here is a email from my ISP network manager

From: "Ed Davenport"
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:09:40 -050 Miller"
Subject: FW: TReichart Speed Test

>
>
>
> I wanted to forwarded this attachment on to you. On Saturday I had one of
> the tech out to your apartment complex with his laptop and had him plug into
> the same data port you are using to get your internet connection. At the
> time he ran several test and screen captured one of those test. We were very
> surprised to see that no policers had been set on your data port so you
> where receiving well over and above what you have been paying for. We set
> the policers to 5 meg plus 30% which is what we are required to run at on
> our Ultra High Speed Package. I have been told you are computer literate so
> I am sure that you understand there is no way to achieve full duplex on your
> up and down load speeds. Most ISP providers throttle their customers upload
> speeds to less than a ¼ of their overall bandwidth speeds. We on the other
> hand do not. You will receive far better uploads speeds through us do to the
> fact we have a Fiber Optic network. If you are currently receiving 4 Meg
> Download and 2 Meg Upload that is an average baseline for all of our 5 Meg
> customers. If you would check your equipment Routers, Hubs, Switches or
> anything that maybe be hampering your internet speeds internally. If you
> feel you are still not getting improper speeds please go to
> and run several test and send
> them to us for review.

1024 Kbp/s is about equal to 100 KB/s. You are getting your units confused. Kbp/s and KB/s are two different things. And since you say you need an 80gb hd, its not going to be pleasant for your users to download at 100KB/s. Anyway, hosting at $5-10 is cheaper than higher internet and power costs.

[cabron]

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

that is why you get a backup battery to run the power to computer and my internet is coming from outside from a cat5 .

So that battery will run on... nothing? Perpetuum mobile?

Originally Posted by jbodyconnection

and if it wasnt big line to handle this why would the ISP carry the line then? its not really a 1mb download and upload I could get 2mbps download and upload on a 1mb package

Maybe to make a sale? With that speed your sites will be slow as hell (unless you will have only text on them). I have a 50/2 Mbps line and don't even consider hosting anything at home...

[DATARTIM]

I still see it as being cheaper to get a shared hosting account or vps.

Have you thought what your going to host the sites on ?

then think about power and cooling and if you get any "significant" traffic your connection won't cope.

Seems like your trying to save money but this isn't the way to do it.

[xbox360]

Originally Posted by cabron

So that battery will run on... nothing? Perpetuum mobile?



Maybe to make a sale? With that speed your sites will be slow as hell (unless you will have only text on them). I have a 50/2 Mbps line and don't even consider hosting anything at home...

That is very true. 1mbit is nothing, especially with internet at home starting to go faster and faster. Its common for there to be users with 10, 20, 50 mbit lines here in the US.

To tell you the truth, if I went to a site with such a slow speed, I would back away immediately.