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    Cyberwings To Leave The Webhosting Business

    Shawn is to post this later this evening on Cyberwings.com :

    As many of you know, since many of you have been customers with us for
    a very long time, Cyberwings started in June of 2001 as a web hosting
    company. We took on our first web hosting clients in August of 2001
    and in the Fall of 2001 we dabbled in Dialup Internet Services. We
    discontinued dialup internet services in order to fully concentrate on
    web hosting. From August 2001 through Feb 2001 we grew our server base
    at RackShack in Texas. Then, in March 2001 we decided to open a data
    center space in cooperation with LightShip Telecom in Portland, Maine.
    We brought on our first 2 staff members at that time. From March 2001
    through June 2001 we grew to 15+ servers in Portland, along with the
    12-14 in Texas, and we grew to 7 staff people, excluding myself. Our
    expenses ramped up severely. While trying to meet the needs of all of
    our web hosting customers we realized that continuing to build a Data
    Center in Portland, Maine was not going to help us do that. The costs
    of having the DC in Maine were astronomical as compared to the level
    of services we could have elsewhere for less cost. We began to look
    around at other providers. As we grew, as expenses went up, we tried
    to increase our revenues and draw in more customers. It worked, then,
    it all came toppling down. We had grown too fast, we had added too
    many staff members too quickly (250% increase in staff in 3 months).

    I loved running Cyberwings. I loved the customer involvement and the
    customer service aspects of it. In July, and even in August, I had
    high hopes for recovering Cyberwings. Then, as time dragged on, and I
    came the target of personal attacks and criticisms, the company
    become more and more criticised on the Internet, and I knew not what
    to say to people in the midst of the barage of attacks, it became
    clear to me that perhaps Cyberwings time was over. I have fought
    saying this, but I have finally accepted it. My lack of business
    management experience and the fact that I did not anticipate our
    expenses increasing by such high volumes in such a short period of
    time all contributed to this situation. I made the decision to switch
    to monthly hosting, away form yearly hosting, but the decision came too
    late. Hindsight is always 20/20, and in our case, things could have
    been done differently.

    While I would love to recover Cyberwings, and continue along a path of
    building a web hosting community with customer nvolvement with each
    other, we do not have the backing financially or management wise to
    facilitate this. We are in the process right now of talking with a few
    different web hosting providers who are willing to honor all of the CW
    hosting plans and customers should they wish to move to that provider.
    We are in the process right now of making sure that customers get
    refunds, that our hardware be disbanded and put towards refunds, and
    that all aspects of this situation come out OK for everyone involved.
    Cyberwings cannot continue in the web hosting community after what has
    happened.... While we are still open to suggestions, thoughts, ideas,
    offers for assistance.... I know that we had a very very supportive
    community of people out there who were extremely involved in
    Cyberwings. If that group of people is still out there, come forward
    now and talk to me if you wish.

    Do you have thoughts, ideas, suggestions, or want to help? Share them
    now. Unless something comes forth this Fall... unless a miracle
    happens... our community will be disbanded completely. I ask that if
    you have any positive & supportive ideas, thoughts and suggestions,
    please e-mail them to [email protected]. I am not the person
    checking this mailbox, it is being checked by a person who is
    assisting me with the final stages of this situation, but I will be
    informed of your ideas and thoughts. I would ask that you do not send
    harassing, threatening or derogatory emails here. This is our attempt
    to get thoughts, ideas & suggestions from our community, not another
    method of letting people attack us through threats and attacks. Just so
    that it is very clear, I do not fault anyone, any organization or any
    group for our failures. I fault myself for not having the experience to
    have seen many, many months ago what actions I should have taken to
    turn Cyberwings into the community that it was meant to be. For that, I
    am at fault, and I will do all that I can now to help this situation
    resolve itself completely and fully.

    I am planning on being in the IRC chat room sometime in the next few
    days to talk to people about this situation.

    Above all else.... I'm sorry for not having had the experience, the
    ability to foresee what changes I should have made in the past, and
    for not having asked for community help sooner. Many of you out there
    have offered to assist us all along - call it pride as to why I never
    asked for your assistance before. The motivations, intentions & goals
    behind Cyberwings were, and still are, very admirable. I'm just not
    sure how to proceed from here. I need your help and assistance.

    Shawn

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    It was expected
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    8 Years of hosting excellence!

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    We are in the process right now of talking with a few
    different web hosting providers who are willing to honor all of the CW
    hosting plans and customers should they wish to move to that provider.

    I like this one.. hmm.. so who is will to take a customer for $4 a year w/ a GIG of Space and Unlimited Transfer?

    .. sorry.. .. just had to say it..

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    "From August 2001 through Feb 2001?" He needs to hire somebody to proofread this before it's posted. Are you up for selling the company's name, domain name, and logo copyrights? If so, please PM me with more information. I just want to acquire the name: not the financial situation!
    Richard Ward
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    The low cost data center.

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    hey
    wheres the irc chat room LOL
    i wanna check it out

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    .... and of course let's check the Cyberwings site and it still hasn't been posted. :-)

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    Shawn quote:
    "I made the decision to switch to monthly hosting, away form yearly hosting, but the decision came too late."

    Take the $3 annual amount and make 12 piles of 25 cents each?
    What a difference.

    Since the 155,000 sq.ft. DC and 30 servers were just mental constructs, imagine how much better it would have been had Shawn stated it was 255,000 with 60 servers!

    Or perhaps if Shawn had mentally downsized to a 20,000 DC, think of all the imaginery dollars he could have saved.
    Last edited by Gordo; 09-03-2002 at 05:09 PM.
    You'll get fewer complaints from over performing than from over promising.

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    Shawn does have some server space in Equinix in washington DC (according to Wayne/geek4rent), and that's one of 3 data centers that I had narrowed it down to, in my quest find which DC they were in.

    JustinSurfer - how did you get this info ahead of time?

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    What took them so long? They were out of business months ago and did not realize it.
    intellec
    ....you get what you pay for and you pay for what you get....

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    It's still not on the site... I wonder how long it will be until Shawn launches his Adult host (he mentioned it in a email to staff - http://www.cyberwingsowesmemoney.com/cwmemo.html - from Internal Memos.com)

    - Matt

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    Well well well, I can't say I didn't see this one coming. What a long drawn out death.. poor customers / victoms.

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    Hi Gordo,
    "155,000 sq.ft. DC and 30 servers "

    Wow Those are some big servers

    JFWS

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    Originally posted by Gordo
    Shawn quote:
    "I made the decision to switch to monthly hosting, away form yearly hosting, but the decision came too late."

    Take the $3 annual amount and make 12 piles of 25 cents each?
    What a difference.

    <snip>

    Well that is why it failed, the per charge fee was more than the monthly fee, I know I pay $.35 per transaction.
    L. James Prevo - President/Owner
    Prevo Network, LLC - http://www.prevo.net
    Est. 1999 - Month to Month Billing!!

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    Hi ljprevo,

    No you have to pay the whole $3.00 at on time LOL

    JFWS

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    Originally posted by JFWS
    Hi ljprevo,

    No you have to pay the whole $3.00 at on time LOL

    JFWS
    I know, but when CW switch from yearly to monthly they would only be charging $.25 per month, thus giving away $.10 per month if they paid $.35 per transaction.

    I am merely joking That is why it is more economical for the host to take yearly payments.
    L. James Prevo - President/Owner
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    Est. 1999 - Month to Month Billing!!

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    I get the joke now
    I knew you were joking but did'nt see your spin.

    It's even more economical to take peoples money and provide
    nothing,nada,zippo.

    JFWS

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    How do we know this announcement is the truth? It was posted here by a pretty much anonymous poster - in that we can know his true identity. Nothing of this sort was posted on cyberwings, so I don't know why you all jumped to believe it, whether or not it's convincing...

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    It was a cut and paste made from an IRC chat room called #cw-supporters.

    Shawn made those statements. It was his ID and his IP address.

    There is no question that Shawn made those statements.

    He committed to adding it to the Cyberwings homepage, but, alas, I guess he got busy washing his dog.

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    Ah, ok, I understand now.

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    what a surprise...

    [/quote]
    <[email protected]>:
    This address no longer accepts mail.[/quote]

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    Originally posted by pgrote
    It was a cut and paste made from an IRC chat room called #cw-supporters.

    Shawn made those statements. It was his ID and his IP address.

    There is no question that Shawn made those statements.

    He committed to adding it to the Cyberwings homepage, but, alas, I guess he got busy washing his dog.

    not likely, according to him he had to sell his dog to try to keep his "business" running..
    maybe he ate it cause according to him he cant buy food either...
    f'ing loser scam artist...

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    Originally posted by magick
    what a surprise...


    <[email protected]>:
    This address no longer accepts mail.[/quote]
    [/QUOTE]

    No $hit. He hasn't been using that email address in ages. He's been using a different one @cyberwings.com, that you can find if you take the time.

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    Originally posted by Richard Ward
    "From August 2001 through Feb 2001?" He needs to hire somebody to proofread this before it's posted. Are you up for selling the company's name, domain name, and logo copyrights? If so, please PM me with more information. I just want to acquire the name: not the financial situation!
    Why would you want to acquire such a damaged name? Just wondering...

    Jacco

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    Yesterday Superior Court in Cumberland County, Maine ruled for Lightship in the case with Cyberwings. All servers have been turned over to the court in terms of finding a financial settlement.

    According to my very limited legal knowledge, I am not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, all Shawn had to do was pick up the equipment. Sad.

    More info at Cyberwings Owes Me Money

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    Originally posted by Blikje


    Why would you want to acquire such a damaged name? Just wondering...

    Jacco
    For the hits. That is why I would want it.
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    Originally posted by Blikje


    Why would you want to acquire such a damaged name? Just wondering...

    Jacco
    Using the MarketLeap Visibility Index shows the domain name cyberwings.com has a total of 951 links to it. That makes the name worth at least a little. I would not pay much for it. But to redirect the domain to another hosting site would be a good traffic generating move.
    Marcus

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    Originally posted by ljprevo


    For the hits. That is why I would want it.
    Ow, I see. Didn't thought of that

    Jacco

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    Man I hate how that shawn guy talks in the third person...... he's like a living Senfield episode................

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    Allow me to interject a stupid question in here? What exactly is The MarketLeap Visibility Index? And I too would not mind buying the domain for it's traffic as well.

    What I like to do is find domains that are ranked in the top ten domains on a given subject at www.dmoz.org that have recently expired and then registering them and aiming them at my websites before DMOZ kills them out of the directory. Great traffic generating move, since many major search engines generate thier listings around DMOZ.

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