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    Cyberwings Update - Leaked Chat Session Between Geek And Shawn!


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    replace the stars with the word s h i t

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    Some of that is really quite sad.

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    Originally posted by Editor
    Some of that is really quite sad.
    I thought all of it was sad.
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    No...some of it was funny ("I thought my business plan was solid"). Some of it was particularly sad.

    Cheers

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    The whole thing is sad. What is sadder is that people still support this nut. I mean this whole thing could be a giant case study. The problem is I have a hard time feeling bad for Geek since he was one of the most rude and abusive staff members when I went seeking information about my refund way back the first part of July. He was surly and mean. So what goes around comes around in my opinion. Here's a clue Shawn and Geek why don't you go out and get a job! Shawn I know you could earn the money that you need to refund my money to me working at McDonalds. So get off your lazy can and go to work.

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    The really sad part of this -- employees surely were in a better position than customers to know the skinny on Shawn and cyberwings and they chose to stay to help attrack new victims.
    You'll get fewer complaints from over performing than from over promising.

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    You know Gordo that spelling mistake might be the best thing I have seen today:

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    they chose to stay to help attrack new victims.
    Attracking was exactly what they were doing. Attacking some attracting others

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    I do hope his child doesn't suffer for this, but I too sat in on a few of the IRC chats and I thought to myself then if anyone on my staff treated my customers with an attitude even approaching Geek's they'd be fired so fast. He was rude, abusive, surly, and about as unprofessional as I could imagine and even some I couldn't imagine, he pasted that one girls personal info into the channel for all to see and he (might have) called that one guy on the phone. Frankly I can't bring myself to shed any tears on his behalf, but I believe he mentioned having a child so I hope for the kid's sake he gets something going and fast. Just as long as it's not in the support industry, frankly he sucks at it far as I can tell.
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    I too hope that any kids involved in this do not suffer. One more thing mr white will have to answer for sometime.


    By the way Gary I have I thanked you lately for the awesome service you are provided me. Thanks!

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    Should have been more specific Gary Harris Dixiesys..

    Sorry for the confusion.
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    What happened? The page isn't there anymore...

    Nevermind!
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    Originally posted by Hig
    By the way Gary I have I thanked you lately for the awesome service you are provided me. Thanks!
    Umm...thanks, whoever you are.

    Gary

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    Oh that part about the Paypal history and the limos, did anyone else nearly choke at that remembering what the people who knew him from Maine said about Shawn doing things like renting cars and claiming they were his and stuff like that? LIMOS hahaha
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    Companies do fall under hard times. I don't think Geek made the right move by pressuring Shawn. Stressing him further doesn't make money grow. Instead, he should work with him to help gain what is owed. IMHO, Geek appears to be a bit immature about the issue. Then again, I don't think any of us are in his, or Shawn's situation; so who are we to judge? On the other hand, running to these forums with "IRC Logs" certainly doesn't make money grow, either. That brings us back to maturity question...
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    After watching Geek's antics in the "official" support channel his maturity never was a question.

    If Shawn was out renting limos as Geek mentions in his part about Paypal statements, then no I'm not one to judge still, yet, come on man RENTING LIMOS? Get real.

    I still don't really think Shawn set out to fail or fraud, I think the math just didn't add up and he didn't know any better.
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    Richard,

    Educate yourself before posting.

    The situation has been going on since June. The money is gone without services rendered. Employees, who are really contractors, haven't been paid even though they were promised.

    You're evicted from your apartment and have to move.

    How would you handle it?

    Nailing Shawn down is like nailing jello to the wall.

    If you want a link for the complete history let me know.

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    Cant say I have any sympathy for the staff, they have behaved like clowns during the whole saga, I mean with half a brain cell would realise moderating the IRC channel is going to do more harm than good...
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    Originally posted by pgrote
    Richard,

    Educate yourself before posting.

    The situation has been going on since June. The money is gone without services rendered. Employees, who are really contractors, haven't been paid even though they were promised.

    You're evicted from your apartment and have to move.

    How would you handle it?

    Nailing Shawn down is like nailing jello to the wall.

    If you want a link for the complete history let me know.
    No need to flame, Sir. I don't know about jello, but it appears there has been a lot of nailing going on and people getting screwed, too. I'd love to talk to Shawn about the situation in a more formal manner rather than this flame thread. Shawn, if you're around and have a moment to talk, please PM me with contact information (Phone, AIM, ICQ, IRC). Thank you.
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    Richard,

    It wasn't a flame at all. It was pointing our that you're commenting on a situation that you know nothing about besides this thread. This thread which is the end.

    To contribute and make astute comments it'd be a good idea to familiarize yourself with the history of what happened.

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    Originally posted by pgrote
    Richard,

    It wasn't a flame at all. It was pointing our that you're commenting on a situation that you know nothing about besides this thread. This thread which is the end.

    To contribute and make astute comments it'd be a good idea to familiarize yourself with the history of what happened.
    I can't familiarize myself with the history of Cyberwings based on a single thread unless it is explained to me from "both sides." This would include a staff member and customer who aren't whining about something. Instead of telling me what I'm lacking, why don't you tell me something I could use; like your opinion/history on Cyberwings?
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    Here you go:

    First Article

    Second Article

    Third Article

    These are authored by me and are about as unbiased of a take as you will find. They aren't completely objective as I do have a business history with them, but I pulled out before things went down.

    The final part will be out soon as Shawn White has agreed to an interview.

    After you read the history I'd be interested in if it changes your opinion or not.
    Last edited by pgrote; 09-03-2002 at 06:42 PM.

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    This is a very sad situation. Anytime an employee isnt paid for thier services and the employer skips out it is a very bad situation. Some say that Geek's support was downright horrible. I can say that if I were in Geek's shoes I would have been much more abrasive, and I would be working to "extract" my money out of this Shaun character's hide using whatever means were most expendious.

    [17:57] <14CEO-Shawn> That's when I am expecting more funds to come in.
    [17:57] <14Geek4Rent> very well...i can do that
    [17:57] <14Geek4Rent> i do have voicemail and you can leave a message there any time you'd like
    [17:58] <14CEO-Shawn> In the meantime I need to tell you that I am sending this entire conversation to my counsel for review. If you have counsel, maybe our two lawyers can talk.
    [17:58] <14Geek4Rent> i have no need for counsel
    [17:59] <14CEO-Shawn> When you needed money, I helped you. When you needed more money, I gave you a raise and tried to help. I went way above in my expenses, and our revenue didn't support it. But I tried. Let's not forget.
    [18:00] <14Geek4Rent> i appreciate that...but let's also remember that i need to pay my rent to avoid an eviction notice, you were not there
    Ironic that Shaun seems to have money for a lawyer to review his [understandibly] upset employees IRC chat logs but dosent have the money to pay them. We all know lawyers dont work for free and they never work unless they think they are going to get paid [and then they dont work even after that, sometimes], and if Shaun was as pennyless as he claims, he wouldnt find a lawyer this side of the solar system to work for him.

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    Oh, give me a break. That is so pathetic. I work at a grocery store, while I have 6 AP classes to maintain A's in, and I am more reponsible thnat hose two morons. So, let me get this straight. Geek was supporting his wife and child with money from a host that has been online for like uhhhhh a few months, right? What about before that? One can always get a job if he wants to, even if he is overqualified. Most of the people I work with are well below my IQ, but I still do it, because I need the money.

    And, let's not forget, that this is a capitalist economy. Everyone should take responsibility for his own actions. Geek had a job, which he quit in order to join CW, and now he doesn't have any money. Well, guess what! Why would we care? You chose that paty, you need to follow it.

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    Carboran:

    Do you live in the United States? If you do, then you must be living under a rock, there is this little thing called a recession going on here. Unemployment is at 5.9% (new numbers to be released today, I think). Finding a job is not easy right now, especially in some areas.

    One can always get a job if he wants to, even if he is overqualified.
    Tell that to my sister who was fired from a casino for something she didn't do. Blue Chip Casino has been cleaning house, and getting people that are younger and willing to work cheaper and dont demand $18.00 an hour. She has been looking for a job for some time now (more than a year) and she hasn't gotten ANYTHING. She has put in more than 150 applications, and only two places have called her back.

    She has four mortgages (she owns rental units, three of those are for rental units) and she is currently renovating another house. She has put in ads at gas stations, retail joints, restaurants and everywhere else.

    So before you make an uninformed statement like that one, you should educate yourself on the facts.

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    Who obtained this conversation?

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    Originally posted by iamdave
    Who obtained this conversation?
    Geek made it public.

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    kkimel,

    we are getting way off topic, but here it goes. Yes, I live in the states (taking AP classes) and yes, I know about the recession. I also know that the McDonald's next to us is hiring. I also came to the U.S. two years ago from a poor country, but still managed to pick up the capitalist values and decided that I would support the Republican party when I can vote.
    I believe in individualism, and that everyone should be responsible for their actions. I am sorry about your sister, but she should have taken a salary cut.
    My dad is in the same situation. In my country he was the head of the PR department of a large company, which went bankrupt. After we came to the US, he was not able to find a job because of the already ongoing recession and now he works as maintenance in the apartments where we live. How does that sound? From head of PR for a large company to maintenance!!
    Geek or Shawn should just get a job at McDonald's or something like this, face the facts, and stop moaning about how impecunious they are.

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    Originally posted by Carboran
    kkimel,

    we are getting way off topic, but here it goes. Yes, I live in the states (taking AP classes) and yes, I know about the recession. I also know that the McDonald's next to us is hiring. I also came to the U.S. two years ago from a poor country, but still managed to pick up the capitalist values and decided that I would support the Republican party when I can vote.
    I believe in individualism, and that everyone should be responsible for their actions. I am sorry about your sister, but she should have taken a salary cut.
    My dad is in the same situation. In my country he was the head of the PR department of a large company, which went bankrupt. After we came to the US, he was not able to find a job because of the already ongoing recession and now he works as maintenance in the apartments where we live. How does that sound? From head of PR for a large company to maintenance!!
    Geek or Shawn should just get a job at McDonald's or something like this, face the facts, and stop moaning about how impecunious they are.
    I couldn't just let this one pass - it smacks of someone who has a sense of superiority without a true sense of the total world. With regards to kkimmels sister, that was a rude thing to say. Besides that, I can pretty much figure out that she wasn't offered a pay cut - she was just let go for any reason they could find, even if it were made up. Casinos do it all the time. And Indiana (where the casino is located) is an at-will state, and fairly anti-worker to boot. The employer's in Indiana have the majority of the power - even the union jobs are being rapidly twisted in favor of the company. Individualsim and self-reliance is a wonderful thing that everyone should aspire to, but if the system is tilted against you, it's a tough thing to achieve. Everything in my area is shifting from manufacturing (steel mostly) to service, which can be done by a trained seal for minimum wage (or less, if you can get away with it). Somewhere down the line businesses figured out that they didn't have to have good customer service - people will stick with them anyway. So if you have a choice between someone who is well-educated and a person who wouldn't otherwise have a job, the latter is usually who'll they'll pick. Why? He's more likely to stay - the smart guy is going to bail for the first good job that comes down the line. Nevermind that he or she could have been that management trainee that you were looking for - another one will come along soon enough. Or so the thinking goes. These days you can't even get employers to at least tell you that you aren't hired - I realize they're getting swamped with applications, but how long doesn it take to send an e-mail or a form postcard saying, "thanks, but we don't want you"? It's just not as easy as people make it to be - with the high level of unemployment, it's getting really tough in some sectors to find GAINFUL employment. IT, finance, and others are brutal right now.

    kkimmel - Blue Chip? You guys must be in my relative neck of the woods. It is tough out there, isn't it? Good luck to your sister.

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    Just take a salery cut? I dont think they would have kept her if she was willing to work for $3.00 an hour. They accused her of taking the keys home for the cash office when she left for her shift. But guess what? She didnt take them home. Because they found them the next day (her day off) in the other supervisors office. So then the story changed again to she "intentionally hid" the keys to the cash office.

    If she hid the keys, then it should be real easy to get to the bottom of all this. Everything is tape recorded in a casino. EVERYTHING. They can count the number of mushrooms on your pizza in the lounge and fire the cook if he puts too many. They know each and every slot machine you play on, and anywhere you go in that place you can be followed, from the time you get out of your car to the time you get back in it and leave.

    So why not just play back the tapes and see what really happened? No, instead they fired here. Guilty until you prove yourself innocent -- without access to the evidence. She asked them to play back the tapes, they refused. And on top of it, she cant even collect unemployment now because they are fighting that, saying that they fired her because she was "neglecting her duties".

    Take a salery cut.

    She was a supervisor there for four damn years on the night shift and you know what they said when they fired her? "I am sorry that I had to do this. But its OK, (Name), this job isnt for everyone." as they walked her out the door. The same supervisor who said in her exit meeting "Get out!", was now walking her out the door with her arm around her like they were old friends consoling each other after a funeral.

    You are a college student, correct? Maybe working at McDonalds or whatever other low paying, minimum wage job you can find is working for you, because college kids get loans (and grants if you are poor) intrest free and they dont have to make payments on them until after they get out and work. You have life so easy. My tax dollars go to fund your education. Now maybe you arent reciving financial aid, but I dont care. When you get a mortage (let alone four of them) I ought to tell you to take a salery cut.

    I would like to see you pay a mortage, feed yourself, keep a decent car and on top of it all, be a person that gives to people who dont deserve it on a McDonald's salery. If McDonald's is all it takes to survive, then why are you going to college?

    Like I said. She rents homes in town. And let me tell you, the people that live there dont deserve anything. She has a family of welfare recipients living in one house, they dont keep it clean and they call us at all hours of the night for the dumbest things. But she still fixes these houses up so that they are nice, she worries night and day about her renters. Last night one of them called us a 3AM in the morning because a cabnient door wouldnt stay shut. Personally, I would have never done what she did. She got out of bed, went over there and put one of those little magnetic things on there to keep it shut. And next week, new windows and siding are going on. Yet these people waited three days to report a water leak in the basement that ruined the floor in the bathroom because (and now I am quoting) "We couldnt find the cordless phone".

    Everyone is right. We are way off topic here. But some of the things posted here reek of imbisility.

    Poster's Note: The above post may contain biased information and could ignite politcal turmoil. Then again, considering it is my sister I have to be biased and look out for her.

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    kkimel, check your PM

    Actually you don't have that feature enabled. If you want to talk more about it, PM me

    Just one last thing. I don't receive Financial Aid, because I am a senior in high school (taking AP classes, saying that for the third time). I don't believe that anyone's taxes should be paying for my education, but I cannot change it for the time being.

    A friend of mine comes from a poor family and his dad is in jail. Yet he has the same grades, same SAT scores (high) as I do, bought hi car with his own money earned as working in a gorilla suit in GA during the summer, pays for everything by himself, gets like 4 houts of sleep each night and believes even stronger than me in individualism.

    Also, can you please read what my dad's occupation is?

    P.S. And no, I don't think my post reeks of IMBECILITY
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    I for one feel very sorry for anybody involved with the Cyberwings saga... Customers, Employees, and Shawn too! I have been following this story very closely. Don't know all the facts, but read almost 95% of the material on this and it is unbelievable. The unthinkingable, in everyway, has actually happened. If it wasn't cyberwings being posted all over the net, than it would have been another company. This is happening more and more often and the public needs to know what is expected from their hosting company and not. I for one, hope that this does not happen again to this extent, this was the EXTREME I hope. Goodluck to those involved and I look forward to hearing that everybody got their refunds & employees have gotten paid!

    Now, off topic. Despite the fact that there is a recession that weighs to boundaries on getting a job or not. I have to agree with some of the other posters, that you can always get a job. So what if it is half of what you are used to, wouldn’t it be better than nothing at all? Also, you can get a small paying job to support you while you look for a better job!!! One more thing, MOST people know corporate America does not care about their employees. Since when do they care about you? Hope your sister is not taking it personally… more than 85% of the corporations treat their employees that way in America. That is just a fact of life here. That is why it is nice to either 1) work for yourself, or 2) work for somebody that works for themselves. Good luck to everybody who needs a job!

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    Damn, wrong topic. But to stay on topic, it is really sad, but it seems the Geek isn't totally clear though (minding the promotion or something like that).

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    You know, you can always tell when someone is getting desperate when they resort to criticizing the spelling in your posts.

    littlest:

    No, she isnt really taking it personally. She knows she is expendable. Anyone who is an employee in most major corporations is reminded daily that he/she can be replaced. Lets face it people, the days of "valued employees" are gone. There used to be days when companies actually avoided job cuts even if it meant a little less impressive numbers on the 10K forms.

    Now days, if they can earn an extra tenth of a cent on the share by getting rid of you, you are as good as axed. You know, I own a substantial sum of stock in Dell Computer Corporation. Not so long ago, they delvered some very impressive numbers for revenue in the servers market. They gained 18% while the industry lost 18%. Investors rallied. I heard the sound of money going into my browkerage account as I sold my holdings.

    But I read further into the report, guess how they made those gains? "Decreased expendatures", specifically "the difficult, but necssary, descision to carry out our first job cuts". (page 1, Fiscal 2002 in Review, supplement to the investor packet).

    I cannot help but feel bad for the people who cant feed thier families now while I smile as money disprses from my browkerage account and gets re-invested in Best Buy (NYSE: BBY) for the Christmas season, which I expect to be impressive despite the glommy predictions by the 'experts' (who so far have been wrong more than I have about what goes up and down).

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    Yeah you are right kkimmel, I am desperate

    The fact you don't give any arguments and have not responded to any of my questions and attacked me personally, shows who is desperate

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    I don't know what's worse... hearing about Shawn White and his Cyberwings scam, or hearing some people bicker about off topic subjects like the recession.

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    what a surprise?!

    can you spell S C A M

    i knew you could..

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