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    Webmaster Certification?

    Hey, I've only been designing websites for a few months but am confident with my skills.

    I am looking for quality classes to become certified as a webmaster, and also wondering if there is a way to get certified free also. As everything I've gotten up to this point I've gotten for free and I have 500 mb/7gig webhosting, and a domain name. Please suggest a site and if you know the pricing please mention.

    If there's different level's of classes check out my site and tell me what level you think I would be qualified for please.

    Thanks a lot guys,
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    Yes, there is a certification called "Certified Internet Webmaster".

    SkillMaster here in Sydney has a course - details can be found at http://www.skillmaster.com.au/certif.../ciw_index.htm

    SkillMaster is a part of New Horizons - so if you look at http://www.newhorizons.com you may be able to find a center close to you that offers the course.

    The only one I know of - but it's quite expensive but provides "internationally recognised certification". There are also things like Brainbench exams, etc for smaller cost that you may want to look into.

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    Thanks, yeah everything seems extremely expensive. I came across a bunch of sites saying it was free but they're all just lying and have something stupid exrta to offer free if you pay for like a 6000 coarse. I'm pretty sure though that there has to be a free webmaster certification site out there somewhere.

    I just ran across an E-college that is free. You can take as many coarses as you want and get credit, they only have basic coarses though and the site layout was CRAP. I'm not old enough for college anyway. I am just saying there's gotta be a free place somewhere.

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    What do you want to gain through certification? Really if you just learn your stuff and build a portfolio you don't need it. And remember that a certification for something like "webmastering" isn't the same thing as, say, one from Microsoft or Novell where the authority to certify you is clear. Anyone can "certify" a webmaster using any criteria they choose... so if it doesn't come from an organization that itself is well-known and has a good reputation it's really meaningless. Shopping around for a free cert from an unknown organization won't accomplish anything short of perhaps providing to you a test of your skills.

    Anyway, Shaun mentioned Brainbench and they're a good value. You can pay for a membership or subscription and take as many tests as you want to during the subscription period. Or you can pay per-test; and they have a few free tests. Your transcript is available on the site to anyone you want to direct to it, and they have pretty good name recognition.
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    Shopping around for a free cert from an unknown organization won't accomplish anything short of perhaps providing to you a test of your skills.
    Which isn't necessarily a bad thing .

    I personally don't see the point in webmaster certification unless you need to prove something to yourself. As Jay mentioned, there aren't any widespread Webmaster certification programs like the A+, CCNE, CCNA, MCSE, etc and there is no guarantee that your certification will be recognised.

    Free tests are good. They allow you to see what level you're at and how you compare to other people, but that is about all they're useful for.

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    Technically, there is a different between being a webmaster and being a web designer, etc.

    A webmaster does more than just designing websites, et al.

    A webmaster is in charge of taking care of the server as well. Maintenance, if you will.

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    I can give you a Webmaster Certification for $10,000

    I also will give you a graduation celebration for free!!!

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    I'm suprised you haven't received some spam for that. What with all the instant degrees and deplomas being tossed around the net for a mere $69.95. (or something like that. I never read enough to find out how much they are)
    Oh NO! I probably just gave some one an idea.
    DANG DANG! DANG!!
    I know ***** ripped off everybody else, but they wouldn't do it to me.
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    It's more of who you know then your skills.

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    A certification ain't worth it. Anyone hiring a designer should ignore that and should instead look at your portfolio.

    Most of the web designers/masters/etc. that I know don't have certification (not crappy designers, people who work at large firms/earn a good living from design).
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    You want a piece of paper?
    Here... It's on ebay of course

    But, quite frankly... I don't care if you have 30 diplomas, certs, etc... If you can't do the job I won't hire you...

    I know people that graduate from college w/ an MIS degree and still type URL's into the Yahoo search box b/c they don't get the concept of browsing the web....

    Paper is nothing w/out the skills to back them up...
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    Exactly no one on the net would hire you just because your "certified" without seeing your port.

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    Originally posted by ultratorture
    It's more of who you know then your skills.
    That's what I think anyway. There's a lot to be said for people skills when it comes to getting work - in any field. You'll do a lot better in life by networking with other people than spending all your time head down in the books.

    While an education is extremely important to anyone, learning for the sake of getting a bit of paper with your name on it might prove a little disheartening. Some of the greatest programmers and designers I've ever met are all self taught.

    If nothing else, self education shows a drive and passion for the trade, which translates into the way they carry themselves when they discuss what they can do, and what they enjoy about their chosen career.

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    Thanks a lot guys. I think I'm gonna choose not to get certified and just keep learning.

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    Originally posted by akashik


    That's what I think anyway. There's a lot to be said for people skills when it comes to getting work - in any field. You'll do a lot better in life by networking with other people than spending all your time head down in the books.

    While an education is extremely important to anyone, learning for the sake of getting a bit of paper with your name on it might prove a little disheartening. Some of the greatest programmers and designers I've ever met are all self taught.

    If nothing else, self education shows a drive and passion for the trade, which translates into the way they carry themselves when they discuss what they can do, and what they enjoy about their chosen career.

    Greg Moore
    Yeah I totally agree, that's why I had no clue about getting certified, or even what I would gain.

    Everything I'm interested in I've taught myself about. I'm opening for mudvayne in detroit on my birthday, guitar was self taught.

    I just figured that getting certified would be the next step toward a career. You guys really helped me out.

    -Abe

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    Save yourself the money. You could buy a nice dedicated server or a Mac for the price of some of these useless cert programs.

    Glad you saw the light!
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    I got certified, paid about 800 dollars for it. Well actually my parents paid for it. My dad got a huge discount because he is in the army....and lol we also had a coupon for the class. The original prize was 1800 I think.. not sure... Well right now the certificate is on my wall... looks pretty good hehe... The class was 6 months long...every Sunday from 10am till 4pm... I think I learned a lot in the class. We started out with HTML(which I already knew.) then JavaScript, FrontPage, Oracle based SQL and Java/Jsp....

    I'm going to take a ASP class this winter. That costs 500 dollars.
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    Originally posted by Marko_P
    I got certified, paid about 800 dollars for it. Well actually my parents paid for it. My dad got a huge discount because he is in the army....and lol we also had a coupon for the class.
    That's mixing two different things. Certification and classes aren't the same thing... certification just means passing a barrier of tests and getting a record of having passed them. You might want to take classes before trying the tests, but what we're really discussing here is the value (or lack of value) of certification.

    Classes might be valuable, especially for people who don't like to learn on their own. On the other hand a few years ago I tried a couple of classes from the HWG, and after two tries decided to never do that again; for me it was a waste of time, and with a little work on the same topics on my own I was able to learn what I needed to learn. But certainly other people find the classes very helpful.

    But certification -- a piece of paper saying you are a "Certified Webmaster" or whatever -- is of much more questionable value.
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    Originally posted by Studio64
    You want a piece of paper?
    Here... It's on ebay of course

    <RANT>
    I saw this...I read it...and even for the Internet, it's unbelievable. As a self-taught, self-motivated individual, I find it absolutely pathetic that people would rather spend money on a piece of paper that allegedly "proves" their mastery and knowledge of a particular skill than do something to apply and demonstrate the knowledge of said skill. And anyone who would buy something like this deserves to spend the rest of their days living in a trailer munching cheese puffs while hunting squirrels with a BB gun and fixing up rusted-out '78 Bonnevilles.

    Sad. Truly truly sad.
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    Yeah, that "certification" on ebay is quite the scam -- but it does point out the reason why certification doesn't mean much. You don't have to have any kind of authority behind it. All it is is someone saying they've certified you.

    That particular one, if you look at the image of it at the bottom of the screen, is worded so awkwardly it's just silly. It's really hard to believe anyone would take it seriously if you presented it to them. And if the webiste where people can supposedly look up your name to confirm that you are "official" (I didn't bother to look at it) has the same bad grammar as the ebay page... well, again, nothing about this is going to bring you any credibility. Not to mention get you a job! (I know no one here's considering it, by "you" I don't mean anyone here!)
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    Learn it yousrself, I listed several places to learn the basics. They are:

    xhtml:
    http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/usingxml/
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/betterliving/

    css:
    http://glish.com/css/
    http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tu...sson/boxes.html
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/goingtoprint/
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/practicalcss/

    wap:
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/wap/

    general bitching about stuff:
    http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/

    And becuase no one can ever understand the box model:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/box.html

    Some sites:

    http://www.bluerobot.com/
    http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/

    this is the guy who wrote the orielly book:
    http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
    http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/

    You can find more among those.

    Dont for get www.w3.org as well

    Degrees, certs, diplomas are all nothing. Generally people who tell you how many papers they have, have just that, papers. They went to schools, they did the same exercises as everyone else and they showed they can pass a test.

    A+ basic hardware is the worst. If you really need to stoudy for it, you shouldnt be taking it. It should be common knowledge to you and you should ace the test on that.

    Can these popel take tests? Sure. Can they design a webpage/build a decnet server and figure out termination of a SCSI device? Who knows.

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    Yeah I personally hate classes. I'm glad I now know i can continue doing exactly what I'm doing. Just messing around constantly learning new stuff and reading tutorials when I can't figure something out.

    THIS FORUM ROX!

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    Hey thanks a lot for those links Acronym BOY they'll be useful.

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    Yeah, most of the post make valid points. Learn, learn, learn (never ending)! A portfolio is your best asset!

    I might get some "feedback", but I feel a portfolio is worth a lot more than a degree in web development.

    "I wanna see your web sites, not the paper hanging on the wall"

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    Originally posted by Marko_P
    I got certified...I learned a lot in the class...FrontPage...
    I'm sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but any certification that envolves learning FrontPage is a horrendous waste of a tree. This is why I don't like certs. The usually guarantee that you can use a WYSIWYG POS.
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    Originally posted by Dogma

    I'm sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but any certification that envolves learning FrontPage is a horrendous waste of a tree. This is why I don't like certs. The usually guarantee that you can use a WYSIWYG POS.
    Yeah I agree designing pages in frontpage = BAD BAD BAD

    EVIL FRONTPAGE CORRUPTING THE WORLD, CORRUPTING MANKIND

    poor poor poor front page users, lets all take a moment now to say a brief prayer ::::::: alright

    front page users: My reaction is only a joke, please take no offense.

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    I'm sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but any certification that envolves learning FrontPage is a horrendous waste of a tree. This is why I don't like certs. The usually guarantee that you can use a WYSIWYG POS.
    oooooooooohh, worst thing right next to NS4

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    No no no...the worst is pulling up NS4 to look at a Front Page site. That's like stopping to look at a car wreck on the highway.
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    I figured I might be able to think of something worse... but i can't

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