Question about UCEPROTECT-Level3

[VPSSQUAD]

Hey,

Just wondering what problems a listing here will cause for emails
http://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php and it is Level 3.

rejected emails to some or all other networks?

This is for a Data Center's IP ranges, they have advised the cause was 2 of their customers with 6 servers which all contained multiple IP classes on each server caused this and are saying to wait 7 days before the listings will clear.

I do not believe they will pay the express removal, not sure if they even knew about the listing until it was pointed out to them.

Details from site..

What means listed at UCEPROTECT-Level 3?
GAME OVER. We and our users have seen enough spam and heared all possible excusions why some lazy providers think to be not responsible for what their customers are doing.

We are not just another blacklist. We really know better. Massive spam is always a problem tolerated by the provider.

Your abuser / user ratio is exorbitant high. We expect some minimum standards from soneone claiming to be a professional provider.
Due to the facts that you do not reach our standards, we and many of our users have chosen to no longer allow smtp-traffic from all your IP's and ranges. See above what we are willig to tolerate as a maximum by an provider of your size.

In todays Internet it is no longer acceptable to sit down and wait for abuse to happen.
If you want to become an accepted provider with a good reputation, you will have to install preventive measures.
Click here to see what you can do to prevent spam coming from your ranges.
If you think it is not your job to prevent your IP's flooding the world with spams, we hope that you and your users will enjoy your Intranet.

How can our total ip-space be removed from UCEPROTECT-Level 3?
You can not expect to get a free ride because you are the provider. Our standard removal procedures are also valid for you.
After you have fixed the problems, the UCEPROTECT-Level 3 listing will be removed automatically and free of charge as soon as the causal Level 1 listings will expire. Every IP listed at Level 1 expires 7 days after we have seen the last abusive action coming from it.
If you don't want your users to be affected up till the free expiration, you can optionally Expressdelist, which is charged a total of 250 EURO per ASN.
That is a huge discount compared to our charges for Level 2 or even Level 1 expressdelistings.
It is necessary that problems are fixed in first place, otherwise your complete IP-space might end up in Level 3 again within a short timeframe

[MaB]

We used to use uceprotect but we found waaay too many false positives because of very large, blanket listings We had to remove it from our list of used RBLs

[VPSSQUAD]

You can check the DC's ASN with this code AS29802 at UCEPROTECT
It is ALL of there IP's that have been listed, any IP on our server is listed

http://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php

from mxtoolbox (you can also check their site IP and it is listed)

AS29802 is UCEPROTECT-Level3 listed because he is responsible for a total of 106 abusers on the net.

[amrock]

To Whom It May Concern:



The company you are sponsoring has several people trying to get together and file a class action lawsuit against this company due to their methods of operation. Listed below is several comments including UCEPROTECT on their methods of operations along with comments on what people think of this company.



From UCEPROTECT themselves…

People that use UCEPROTECT (BACKSCATTERER) go with level 1 or level 2 of filtering because level 3 is to aggressive by blocking out entire IP blocks instead of specific IP addresses as they should do. (xxxx://xxx.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=3&s=5) They themselves gave this warning about level 3. …This blacklist has been created for HARDLINERS. It can, and probably will cause collateral damage to innocent users when used to block email….

Here is a list of IP addresses currently being blocked by them. I pasted them into Microsoft Excel to see how many are black listed and it went way beyond Microsoft Excel’s limit of 65,536. You can find the list here. (xxxx://wget-mirrors.uceprotect.net/rbldnsd-all/ips.backscatterer.org.gz)



Here are some links of people’s comments on BACKSCATTERER along with some quotes about their tactics of extorting money which I myself have paid also. ($74.97, which I found out after paying they want on a monthly basis. I should consider myself lucky because I found out that they used to charge $200 per month) There are people rallying out there to bring up a class action lawsuit against them.



xxxx://xxx.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=713833

…We used to use uceprotect but we found waaay too many false positives because of very large, blanket listings We had to remove it from our list of used RBLs…



xxxx://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=44585.0;wap2

xxxx://xxx.smartertools.com/forums/p/21852/58371.aspx

…I actually was using the exact same set of RBL's, but after a while I found out that UCEPROTECT1 repeatedly listed the smtp servers of some major ISP's here (NL). Of the unique hits of this RBL (not in any of the others), about 50% was a false positive, so I removed it. I have not yet encountered similar problems with Zen, Spamcop and PSBL….

xxxx://xxx.linode.com/forums/archive/o_t/t_2863/start_0/index.html

…This is an extortion racket along the lines of sorbs.net. This 'anti-spam' service may well be run by spammers - with their strange understanding of legal matters, poor grammar, and payment by PayPal - they sure act like spammers….



xxxx://xxx.jvfconsulting.com/blog/59/UCEPROTECTNetwork_Spam_List_Is_This_Extortion.html

…JVF has never heard about UCEPROTECT until now. Their practices are bordering on extortion. Ourselves, as well as others in our same situation, feel that a class action lawsuit should be brought against them. Their method of blocking the entire ISP's IP range just because of a similar users IP is unacceptable and against every rule in the spam book. Below you can see the hoops we have been jumping through to get our IP address removed from their blacklist….



…OK, so we're listed on their blacklist, this is not the first time we have had to remove an IP address we manage that has been incorrectly added to a blacklist, so what is the process? As you can see in the screenshot below, they want us to pay 150.00 € Euro's (EUR) to process our request and remove our IP address. That's almost $200 dollars! This is totally unacceptable, and quite possibly illegal! We are aware that some IP addresses are definitely more suspicious than others, but you wouldn't want to filter mail from them without a little further evidence (like seeing some spam from them)….



…It is borderline extortion. The only people who pay are the admins that dont know any better….



…These people are crooks and probably run by the same people that create spam. No respectable hosting company should use them for blacklists.

They have no legitimate reason for listing an IP and can offer no proof or information for fixing the so called offence (even if you pay 150$ for it).
There are many scams on the Internet and UCEPROTECT is one of them….



xxxx://xxx.dnsstuff.com/forum/index.php?topic=1366108.0 (This quote came from UCEPROTECT themselves when they visited the forum to defend themselves. If no reasonable person should use level 3 then why offer it???)

…This means no reasonable Person should use Level 3 for BLOCKING….



xxxx://xxx.dnsbl.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1020



Here is a comment from my tech support on UCEPROTECT which powers BACKSCATTERER. MIPSPACE also uses BACKSCATTERER.



. . . Hello,
While the server is listed at UCEPROTECT, there is very little we as a company can do. They run their blacklists only as an effort to make money. We've tried to work with them before and it all comes down to them wanting money to do something that is automated in the first place. We have repeatedly asked them for logs/evidence/proof and they adamantly do not provide any. Armed with this information, upper management refuses to deal with such unscrupulous companies. . . .



Thank you for your time,

Michael

[amrock]

I don't think that it is a coincidence that right after I voiced my opinion on UCEPROTECT that they blacklisted me on level 1, 2, and 3.

What do you think? This DEFINATELY shows questionable behavior!

Michael