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    Medialayer vs 1and1

    Please guide me which web host to be choose. I am planning to host a jewelry online store with 500 products. I am looking for shared hosting in starting. Web space required would be around 100 Mb.

    How much bandwidth you think in starting it will be required?

    Which web host is better and why? Also tell me considering features wise too. If any other good web host for starting then tell me.
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    MediaLayer and 1&1 target different sections of the hosting market. With ecommerce applications such as an online store, MediaLayer is the better choice, by far. In a nutshell, MediaLayer offers high quality hosting at a higher dollar to resource ratio, while 1&1 is the complete opposite.
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    Dear Orien

    Thanks for quick reply.
    But I found out that Media player provides less bandwidth. So if search engines crawlers also use and customers too then it may not work properly.

    And feature wise also it is less compared to 1and1. Howcome 1and1 is total opposite? And why mediaplayer good for ecommerce?

    Any other web host you recommend?
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    1and1 is overselling massively.
    You can not get to use their space and bandwidth that is offered fully as they will limit you through CPU and RAM usage.
    Your e-commerce script should be resource intensive.
    Overselling massively may result in your sites being slow or even caused downtimes as other users will try to use all the space and bandwidth given and overload the server.
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    Thanks JLHC

    But how do you know that they are overselling? Can we find out how a webhost is distributing its server space?
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    They can never provide that amount of space at that price.
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    OKay.

    So according to you which is best for hosting an ecommerce website?
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    If you're just starting up you most likely won't use more than 1GB transfer for months, and you won't get close to MediaLayer's smallest plan's 10GB limit for years. Although the numbers seem small compared to the stupidly unreal figures being quoted by some other hosts, ML's plans really offer all you're likely to need (unless you're planning to host music, videos, ISOs etc.).

    OTOH, if you go for a poor quality host and as a result your site loads slowly and is often unavailable, you'll lose customers.

    Your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLHC View Post
    1and1 is overselling massively.
    Overselling massively may result in your sites being slow or even caused downtimes as other users will try to use all the space and bandwidth given and overload the server.

    F.U.D.


    Here's my up for 336 day, totally NOT overloaded, less than $10/mo 1&1 Business package shared server:
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    When you build an e-commerce site, uptime and stability are the most important. Also, if you need help, you would want to have answers promptly. That's why other suggest ML over 1and1. I would agree with them anytime, if you just limit in those 2 hosts
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    SO you are using 1&1 business package. Since how much time and what is your website all about?
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    What other better choices you have other then these two?
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    Many names come up. You will need to have your requirements, then compare vendors to find out which one is suitable with yours
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    In 1and1 and other web host, they offering good value of marketing adwords? Also geotrust SSL certificate too. And its all not available in mediaplayer?
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    In many names, few are good also. Tell me good ones other then both of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjtalk9 View Post
    SO you are using 1&1 business package. Since how much time and what is your website all about?
    Almost 3 years now. I have 20 websites covering a wide variety of subject matter. I don't care who you choose to host with, but people spread a lot of BS about 1&1 around here... I dig em.

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    So 1&1 is also a good bet, we can say
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    1&1 is a fairly large and older company than most. With every large company you will see the goods and bads.

    A Geotrust SSL is usually an add-on feature. You will require a dedicated IP for the SSL and need the purchase the SSL certificate seperately. GoDaddy offers the cheapest SSL at $30/yr.

    There are plenty of hosts out here and a few have already posted in response to your question. Hosting providers are not allowed to directly offer you a quote on this particular forum. If you go down to the Offers section however, there are plenty of offers from various hosts.

    A little bit of homework will save you plenty of headaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjtalk9 View Post
    In 1and1 and other web host, they offering good value of marketing adwords?
    The 1&1 Business package comes with:

    $50 Adwords
    $100 Microsoft adCenter
    $50 Citysearch
    $50 Yahoo Search Marketing

    Also geotrust SSL certificate too.
    Business package comes with shared SSL for one domain at no extra charge, or $49yr dedicated SSL (includes ip).

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    Mostly the complains about 1&1 are about their support and their billing.
    Make a search about both companies and probably that will help you to make a choice.
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    If your just starting your site 1&1 will offer you more resources to build an e-commerce site(free marketing credits, SSL, etc.). Medialayer is more about application hosting for sites that require heavy database use.

    Since your site is going to be pretty fresh, I'd take advantage of the resources 1&1 offers, and if you think things start to go down hill then switch providers.
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    If your just starting your site 1&1 will offer you more resources to build an e-commerce site(free marketing credits, SSL, etc.).
    This is inaccurate in regards to SSL, as we provide shared SSL with all packages.

    Medialayer is more about application hosting for sites that require heavy database use.
    Our focus is on performance and reliability; whether a site relies heavily on database use is irrelevant.
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    As a provider that gets more refugees from 1&1 then you can imagine, I find it highly unlikely that they provide better support then ANY competent company - let alone a premium provider like medialayer.
    Last edited by CArmstrong; 05-02-2008 at 04:01 PM.
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    Just because MediaLayer offer less bandwidth doesn't mean your customers will have a compromised service unless you go over the bandwidth and then you are likely to be charged for going over. Unless you expect to use more bandwidth than medialayer offer I would go with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich - Elief View Post
    If your just starting your site 1&1 will offer you more resources to build an e-commerce site(free marketing credits, SSL, etc.). Medialayer is more about application hosting for sites that require heavy database use.
    Shopping carts are relatively heavy database applications, and they run noticeably faster on ML's servers than on other hosts. For most e-com sites speed is vital because customers are impatient and can so easily go elsewhere.

    As for the freebies, if they're things you need then factor them into the price comparison (namecheap certs are $15 per year plus the cost of a dedicated IP).
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    Shopping carts are relatively heavy database applications, and they run noticeably faster on ML's servers than on other hosts. For most e-com sites speed is vital because customers are impatient and can so easily go elsewhere.
    True, but he is starting a site from scratch which won't have that large of a database to start out with. I'm not denying that MediaLayer will be faster then 1&1, but the OP wasn't asking which web host is faster, he was asking which one would be better for him.

    As for the freebies, if they're things you need then factor them into the price comparison (namecheap certs are $15 per year plus the cost of a dedicated IP).
    I was more talking about the $200-$400 in advertising credit that he will receive when starting out with 1&1(which is a very nice way to help get sales leads coming through to his website).

    If it were me I would choose 1&1 for that reason alone, even if you only stay with them for the first month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich - Elief View Post
    Since your site is going to be pretty fresh, I'd take advantage of the resources 1&1 offers, and if you think things start to go down hill then switch providers.
    In my opinion, that's a bad business strategy. You want to start off with a solid foundation; switching hosting providers is an unnecessary hassle if you can avoid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich - Elief View Post
    True, but he is starting a site from scratch which won't have that large of a database to start out with. I'm not denying that MediaLayer will be faster then 1&1, but the OP wasn't asking which web host is faster, he was asking which one would be better for him.
    You don't think faster is better for him?

    I was more talking about the $200-$400 in advertising credit that he will receive when starting out with 1&1(which is a very nice way to help get sales leads coming through to his website).

    If it were me I would choose 1&1 for that reason alone, even if you only stay with them for the first month.
    IDK, if I wanted free advertising vouchers I'd just Google it.
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    To be honest, I can't even think to possibly equate or even have any kind of comparison between these two providers.

    1and1 is one of the worst companies I have EVER dealt with. Sure, you can be lured by their corporate looking website, the outrageous features with each hosting package but they are a very deceptive company. The bottom line: They simply to do not care, they have millions of customers and if they screw up one day, "oh well" is their attitude. Their billing team lied directly to me over the phone and their technical support team is mostly made up on incompetent individuals who are barely trained.

    Especially, for an e-commerce site, where you are trusting that the hosting provider delivers the web page(quickly) the second the customer clicks to order, I would never trust 1and1.

    MediaLayer on the other hand, is one of the most ethical and reliable companies out there, and will be like family.

    Don't believe me, use the search right here on WHT. Search once for 1and1 and read all the threads. Search again for MediaLayer and read the threads. It will become quite clear. Case closed for any sensible person.

    If you do decide to be lured in by 1and1 be sure to take a lot of backups, and don't be surprised if you encounter a lot of issues.
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    I've worked with layer0 in the past, and I can tell you, if I was in the market for hosting, I would open an account with MediaLayer. There's no comparison between ML and 1&1. That's like comparing chalk to cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
    There's no comparison between ML and 1&1. That's like comparing chalk to cheese.
    Great example
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    Quote Originally Posted by amex View Post
    The bottom line: They simply to do not care, they have millions of customers and if they screw up one day, "oh well" is their attitude. Their technical support team is mostly made up on incompetent individuals who are barely trained. If you do decide to be lured in by 1and1 be sure to take a lot of backups, and don't be surprised if you encounter a lot of issues.
    Almost three years running and this does not at all resemble my experience with 1&1. I've been well taken care of by their support and billing teams several times, and have never had ANY server troubles of any sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwrunyon View Post
    Almost three years running and this does not at all resemble my experience with 1&1. I've been well taken care of by their support and billing teams several times, and have never had ANY server troubles of any sort.
    Yes I know, seen your postings. Glad you are one of the few taken care of. You have admitted if I recall correctly that you don't use your hosting for anything important?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amex View Post
    Yes I know, seen your postings. Glad you are one of the few taken care of.
    They are the largest webhost in the world... so I would imagine that I have a lot of company.

    You have admitted if I recall correctly that you don't use your hosting for anything important?
    You ain't recalling correctly... they host my full time living.

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    It seems a fight is still going to decide better one.

    1and1 is a big, stablished host provider with good deal of marketing offers in starting and also a dedicated SSL of worth 250 $ in starying too.

    Mediaplayer on the other hand, seems to be fast,reliable,good hosting and with lack of features like 1and1.

    So for me to start my online retail website with around 500 products, what should I consider? Because in starting not much traffic will be there and also adwords by 1and1 will help in marketing too and generating traffic. I think speed will not differ much in both case in srating 2-3 months too.

    Is there any better option other then these two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwrunyon View Post
    They are the largest webhost in the world... so I would imagine that I have a lot of company.
    Many might be taken care of. Many however are being taken advantage of . I have spoken to too many people who know very little about web hosting, but have been taken advantage of 1and1 unbeknownst to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwrunyon View Post

    You ain't recalling correctly... they host my full time living.
    To each his own opinion, you love 'em, I hate them with a passion.

    The thread here specifically was asking for a comparison. I used both services and IMHO, MediaLayer wins hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjtalk9 View Post
    It seems a fight is still going to decide better one.
    People have different experiences and opinions - that's life. It's up to you to decide how much weight you give to anything here.

    If you want more evidence, as amex suggested earlier, go to the forum search and find previous threads about each of them.

    Alternatively, just sign up with both for a couple of months and compare them for yourself (service, support, page loading speed etc.) - it'll only cost you an extra $20 or so, a small price to pay for a serious online business. And if you do this, please come back afterwards and tell us your experience...
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    I used both services and IMHO, MediaLayer wins hands down.

    So you bet for mediaplayer.
    What do think to use the marketing features of 1and1 in 1st month and then go for mediaplayer.
    I think like mediaplayer there is another good option of PrecisionEffect hosting. What do say?
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    Still not any concrete idea to decide the comparision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjtalk9 View Post
    Still not any concrete idea to decide the comparision?
    There's not much else to say. It's up to you to decide.
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