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    Question Special kind of reseller's account

    Hi

    I am looking for a special kind of reseller's account.

    I don't need too much space for myself, but I require that the server i am on is NOT crowded!

    I am simply tired of ending up on servers that host 1000+ domains and are slow, get attacked too often, go down for hours and have very strict rules that won't let your site perform as you want it to...

    I have wandered from host to host, all promise the best performance, all deliver the same poor service... the problem is the same: they overload their servers!

    I require WHM/Cpanel with 8 to 10 GB of disk space, 100-200 GB of bandwidth

    Does anyone know about any webhosting company that offers that kind of account?

    Thank you

    PS: money is NOT an issue! but at the same time, i cannot affored to pay 250 bucks for a dedicated server (and God knows if it's indeed dedicated!). I'd rather pay 50 bucks for 5GB on an uncrowded server than 5 bucks for 50 GB on a crowded server...

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    What are you previous hosts? Are they those massive oversellers?

    BTW, you can check out downtownhost or knownhost, they are quite reputable here.
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    where? in malasya?

    dont ask me about my previous hosts! i already forgot their name!!

    as for my actual host, it's called cheapwebhost.us... u can also find them as allreseller.com and a couple of other appellations...

    thank you for ur advice anyway, i'll take a look at them

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    I think Downtownhost and Knownhost are from the US.
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    where? in malasya?
    He meant that they're popular here, on webhostingtalk.com.

    I think Downtownhost and Knownhost are from the US.
    Downtownhost is incorporated in the US, has its servers in the US, but the owner and at least part of the staff are in Argentina. Not that it should be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    I don't need too much space for myself, but I require that the server i am on is NOT crowded!

    I am simply tired of ending up on servers that host 1000+ domains and are slow, get attacked too often, go down for hours and have very strict rules that won't let your site perform as you want it to...
    You can contact sales and confirm a guarantee server load
    Slow server is usually the result of bad server management and too much overselling.
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    Jumbo, your needs are not special, but unfortunately there are indeed companies who oversell their servers without keeping an eye on the management of things.

    I believe you just did have bad luck with your previous hosts and that you now found a forum to do research for a new great host. I am sure you will find one, there are many good providers here.

    Check out for offer section here on WHT, and then do an extensive research on the company by using the search button.

    I wish you all the best in finding the hosting provider which fits you!
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    Paying $50 for 5gb will not guarantee that the server on which you will be on will not be overloaded. Server load depends on what kinds of sites are stored there and how well the server is managed.
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    What kind of websites are you running? And what location are you okay with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    Hi

    I am looking for a special kind of reseller's account.

    I don't need too much space for myself, but I require that the server i am on is NOT crowded!
    Funny how the requirements below are now considered special... I really am starting to feel for consumers - even though they kind of created this mess with their shopping habits (I am not speaking specifically of you jumbo1)

    I have wandered from host to host, all promise the best performance, all deliver the same poor service... the problem is the same: they overload their servers!

    I require WHM/Cpanel with 8 to 10 GB of disk space, 100-200 GB of bandwidth
    First of all, get off single server platforms like cpanel. this is what happens when you buy unlimited domain reseller accounts with 10 GB of disk space and 100-200 GB of transfer. Resellers will keep loading up accounts onto that server - and well, you know the result - get a reseller account with a provider that spreads reseller end user accounts across servers -

    As for your resource expectations - just remember, the cheaper the package, and the more resources provided - the more users ultimately need to be on that server and the more resources need to be allocated - so, your chances of getting great service will just go down

    Does anyone know about any webhosting company that offers that kind of account?
    Lots of good providers. Look at people like fluidhost, downtownhost, rochen, digitallyjustified, dynamicnet, medialayer, bluefur, pair, httpme, etc... some of these use cpanel, some dont...


    PS: money is NOT an issue! but at the same time, i cannot affored to pay 250 bucks for a dedicated server (and God knows if it's indeed dedicated!). I'd rather pay 50 bucks for 5GB on an uncrowded server than 5 bucks for 50 GB on a crowded server...
    Honestly, if you want reliability - look for a reseller account starting at $30 or higher and one that has hard limits on stuff like number of domains or number of accounts - or at least limits something that shows you they care about what is being loaded onto their environment. Look for packages around the $0.50- $1/GB of transfer...

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    I'd rather pay 50 bucks for 5GB on an uncrowded server than 5 bucks for 50 GB on a crowded server...
    I'm sure you can get a reliable VPS with cpanel for around $50/month
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    Quote Originally Posted by PremiumHost View Post
    I'm sure you can get a reliable VPS with cpanel for around $50/month
    and that would be a HUGE downgrade from a $50 reseller account from a really good provider...

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    Andrew (CartikaHosting) has given some excellent advice. I agree with his post 100%.

    There are lots of companies (I recommend www.httpme.com) that provide reliable reseller accounts. The "catch" is that they do not have super-cheap pricing. They charge more, because it costs more to keep the servers "clutter free" since usually these companies are not overselling. (Or if they do, it's very limited and highly controlled.)
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    One questions you might want to ask a host when talking to them is "what are the max # of account on a shared or reseller server, asl ask if that shared or reseller server is running on a VPS or a dedicated server.
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    Thank you all for your replies and advices


    Quote Originally Posted by 040Hosting View Post
    Check out for offer section here on WHT, and then do an extensive research on the company by using the search button.

    i can do as much research as i want, but i'd like to know from people like you who had experience with these hosting companies

    Quote Originally Posted by suhailc View Post
    What kind of websites are you running? And what location are you okay with?
    my customers have different kinds of sites: from the most simple static personnal site to forums using PHPbb, sites using phpNuke, etc... I myself have a couple of sites that will definitely use the mySQL database at every step. As for the location, i'd prefer a company/server in the US or canada...

    Quote Originally Posted by CartikaHosting View Post
    First of all, get off single server platforms like cpanel.
    what do u mean by single server platforms??

    Quote Originally Posted by CartikaHosting View Post
    Honestly, if you want reliability - look for a reseller account starting at $30 or higher and one that has hard limits on stuff like number of domains or number of accounts
    Quote Originally Posted by steve1318 View Post
    Paying $50 for 5gb will not guarantee that the server on which you will be on will not be overloaded. Server load depends on what kinds of sites are stored there and how well the server is managed.
    ok, so how can i guarantee that the company does not oversell, even though it says so, even though its prices are high and even though it sets limits?

    what i thought about doing is aqcuiring the IP of the server and doing a reverse lookup on a whois site to determine the number of domains hosted on that server...

    but the bottom-line is that i need to hear from your experiences and what you know about particular hosting companies that provide the reseller option...

    i will be checking all the companies you advised...

    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    what do u mean by single server platforms??
    if your hosting account and all services run on a single server - then it would be classified as a single server environment.

    ok, so how can i guarantee that the company does not oversell, even though it says so, even though its prices are high and even though it sets limits?
    there is no guarantee - and that is what makes it so hard for the consumers to make an educated purchasing decision. Just because a company advertises low loads, hard limits, etc - doesnt mean they arent overloading their servers. However, a higher price point gives you a better chance of getting reliable, sustainable service. there is almost NO WAY a provider selling 100's of GB of transfer, unlimited accounts and domains, on single server environments can possibly maintain a high level of service on their servers for a prolonged period of time. Find providers offering the business model that seem to meet your requirements, then research the heck out of them on this forum, on google, etc and see what kind of feedback you can dig up on them. See if they have any legitimate 3rd part uptime stats available, etc...

    what i thought about doing is aqcuiring the IP of the server and doing a reverse lookup on a whois site to determine the number of domains hosted on that server...
    this wont tell you anything of any use at all... number of sites has little to do with relative load. Also, 300 sites on a server in a single server environment (meaning that single server is running all services including cp, web, mysql, email, cp, dns, etc) is completely different then a web server with 300 sites in an environment where that server is ONLY running web (db, email, dns, cp, etc) are run from different servers - so, obviously architecture will affect this stat. Additionally, you have no real idea of server specs those sites are running on and no real idea of the relative loads each of those sites put on a server or servers..

    but the bottom-line is that i need to hear from your experiences and what you know about particular hosting companies that provide the reseller option...
    even that is misleading - you will hear feedback from people, but, the hosts may or may not meet your requirements

    i will be checking all the companies you advised...
    not a bad idea at all. but, honestly, the best approach - search for 10-15 companies that seem to fit the profile of a host you would expect to provide a good service based on their offerings, research the heck out of them and narrow down your decisions from there...

    I know this isnt overly helpful, but, hopefully it has provided you some useful information...

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    Thank you cartika, i will take all u said into serious consideration...

    I checked all the companies u posted here, i like downtown host, and i contacted them for more info about their server load... they said that overselling is allowed for the reseller, but that they stop setting up reseller accounts on a server when the load reaches 1... i honestly think this rule wont avoid overloading on the server...
    i asked for some IPs of the servers they got, they gave me 3, i searched on domaintools.com about some stats (the servers have 700+, 800+ and 1200+ domains each), and i found that both downtown host and my current host have that in common: Block C Owner: LIQUID WEB INC... moreover, my current host's server stats show: IP Location - Michigan - Lansing - Liquid Web Inc

    What the heck does that mean?? are my current host and downtown host subsidiaries of liquid web??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    Thank you cartika, i will take all u said into serious consideration...

    I checked all the companies u posted here, i like downtown host, and i contacted them for more info about their server load... they said that overselling is allowed for the reseller, but that they stop setting up reseller accounts on a server when the load reaches 1... i honestly think this rule wont avoid overloading on the server...
    i asked for some IPs of the servers they got, they gave me 3, i searched on domaintools.com about some stats (the servers have 700+, 800+ and 1200+ domains each), and i found that both downtown host and my current host have that in common: Block C Owner: LIQUID WEB INC... moreover, my current host's server stats show: IP Location - Michigan - Lansing - Liquid Web Inc

    What the heck does that mean?? are my current host and downtown host subsidiaries of liquid web??
    Hello Jumbo,

    no, that just means that they both lease servers from liquidweb. As long as the network and hardware is of a quality you would expect, then the provider being at liquidweb for their servers wont matter. You can have 2 providers at the same data center and they obviously may run their businesses in a completely different fashion.

    As for downtownhost - they come highly recommended on here. That domain count does seem high for single server cpanel environments, but again, number of domains on their own really do not tell you much. As long as their loads are reasonable and their servers are well managed, that is the most important thing. Having said that, I do think that number is a little high, but, from what I understand, they run a really tight ship - so, dont use those numbers as your sole determining factors....

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    yea, they use a 2 quadro processor, as they told me

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo1 View Post
    yea, they use a 2 quadro processor, as they told me
    Hu jumbo - see, this is why it is so hard for consumers to know which direction they should go.

    1 website could eat up a server like that, whereas in other instances, you could have 10,000 websites on that server and not have an issue.

    You really need to find out what baseline loads a host operates on, which is nearly impossible.

    The only thing you can really do, when it comes right down to it is to find hosts with the business model you like, and then research and find as many real user reviews as you can...

    I know this isnt overly helpful...

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