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    Post DefconHost - Unethical

    Normally I don't even post on forums, however this was such a blatant rip that I had to share it.

    Firstly, let me start by saying that for the past 3 days or so, I've been browsing WHT as a guest looking for a provider in the offers section, checking reviews, etc.

    When my searched moved on to Google, I found a dedicated server provider that was advertised in the sponsored listings, the website "defconhost.com" seems to be an exact copy of "fusednetwork.com" which is advertised in the offers section here at WHT.

    I haven't notified anyone of this yet, but I figured this would be the best place to start, since the community should know about this, as well as whoever runs FusedNetwork (My impression was that the WHT user "David" was some way affiliated with them)

    It would be interesting to hear what David has to say in regards to this, if he wasn't already aware.

    For those of you who don't like reading:
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    Compare the two.

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    You joined just to tell us that?

    Why not just email David directly?
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    Yep thats a rip.

    Whats wrong with him joining to say that ?

    Its the best way to name and shame the rippers and hopefully David can get it taken down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FHH - Tim View Post
    Whats wrong with him joining to say that ?
    Nothing wrong with it really. However, if it were anybody but David, I'd be thinking it was some kind of twisted marketing scheme.
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    That's odd defconhost has been registered 5 days ago.
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    What do you know...


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    also good luck trying to get it down:

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    um ok... Serious there is something wrong with this place, I called the number and not even 5 minutes later I got a call from the San Deigo FBI
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    Umm that's not good...

    What did they say ?
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    They called and hung up when i said this is nick, then I called back got a switchboard San Deigo FBI... Im just like ok wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag-Nick View Post
    They called and hung up when i said this is nick, then I called back got a switchboard San Deigo FBI... Im just like ok wtf
    They called me back too, and I have an unlisted number... interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat H View Post
    They called me back too, and I have an unlisted number... interesting.
    Your number is listed somewhere, just not publicly.

    um ok... Serious there is something wrong with this place, I called the number and not even 5 minutes later I got a call from the San Deigo FBI
    Safe to say, stay far, far away from this company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daejuanj View Post
    Your number is listed somewhere, just not publicly.
    It's actually a new number, not even a month old. I just double checked it's unlisted by calling another phone AND going through an 800 # to triple check it.

    Plus, I'm Canadian! It probably is a good idea to not call that number, but now I'm curious as to what's going on here. I might call back and ask if that # belongs to them. No harm in dialing a phone number and asking questions.

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    david did say something to me a wile back about starting up a couple of other brands.. Im sure david will clear this up when he finds it
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    Thanks for the heads up about this thread Jon.
    Certainly not a brand of mine, I'll deal with it.

    Thanks!

    Edit: Oops, I should have read the entire thread prior to leaving a message. I suppose I'll be having a chat with the men in black momentarily. Shucks, looks like they're getting a head start on my brand in China for me.
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    What the hell I thought that the authorities never called you, rather you ALWAYS call them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohan View Post
    What the hell I thought that the authorities never called you, rather you ALWAYS call them?
    It's probably a field agents voice mail that forwards your number to the switchboard if no message is left. The fact that it's on a WHOIS for a Chinese company / individual, makes it just a little bit more interesting.

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    I love web hosting, now the FBI is in on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat H View Post
    They called me back too, and I have an unlisted number... interesting.
    It's the FBI after all

    For those with unlisted numbers, keep in mind that even if your number won't show up on a normal person's caller ID, your phone number is actually still available to the phone switches along the way for billing and call routing purposes. When you connect to the PBX switch at a large company, chances are they may have access to the ANI information even if your number is unlisted and caller-ID is blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bqinternet View Post
    For those with unlisted numbers, keep in mind that even if your number won't show up on a normal person's caller ID, your phone number is actually still available to the phone switches along the way for billing and call routing purposes. When you connect to the PBX switch at a large company, chances are they may have access to the ANI information even if your number is unlisted and caller-ID is blocked.
    Ah, you are correct.

    For some reason I thought if I dialed into an 800 number, then dialed another number from the 800 number that my unlisted number wouldn't go through for certain. I just tried calling an ANAC at 800-444-4444 and it does indeed read back my number...

    David, I guess we're both going to get a visit!

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    Cya all in the slammer, I'm just waiting on the black suit to show up at my door and say Mr Rose, you need to come with us...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag-Nick View Post
    Cya all in the slammer, I'm just waiting on the black suit to show up at my door and say Mr Rose, you need to come with us...
    Nick,

    Can you bring an extra 5 gallon drum of lube?
    I'm all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag-Nick View Post
    I love web hosting, now the FBI is in on it!
    fbihost.com on the way

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    re

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    Nick,

    Can you bring an extra 5 gallon drum of lube?
    I'm all out.
    You want Crisco or KY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Thanks for the heads up about this thread Jon.
    Certainly not a brand of mine, I'll deal with it.

    Thanks!

    Edit: Oops, I should have read the entire thread prior to leaving a message. I suppose I'll be having a chat with the men in black momentarily. Shucks, looks like they're getting a head start on my brand in China for me.
    Glad I got your attention, I would of emailed you but I wasn't sure if you were the right person to contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace39 View Post
    Glad I got your attention, I would of emailed you but I wasn't sure if you were the right person to contact.
    And thanks for posting it as well, the support mediums are generally the best method though. Curious, what keywords (or companies) were you searching when you came across the ad?

    I'm very curious what they're advertising under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    And thanks for posting it as well, the support mediums are generally the best method though. Curious, what keywords (or companies) were you searching when you came across the ad?

    I'm very curious what they're advertising under.
    At the time of the original post, they were in the top 3 for both "dedicated servers" and "dedicated hosting" on the Google Sponsored Results.

    Edit: However, I don't see them there right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace39 View Post
    At the time of the original post, they were in the top 3 for both "dedicated servers" and "dedicated hosting" on the Google Sponsored Results.

    Edit: However, I don't see them there anymore.
    Hm, awkward for a company who won't even build it's own site to burn funds on google adwords. A'las, to each his own. (The google ad credits were probably stolen somehow too)
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    You do realize this thread is also being watched by the men in black right now, don't you?
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    What's the FBI got to do with a website from China?

    I wonder if the FBI will call me, I'm in Australia. It might cost them too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Hm, awkward for a company who won't even build it's own site to burn funds on google adwords. A'las, to each his own. (The google ad credits were probably stolen somehow too)
    Probably given to free by some overseller that he is reselling for :p.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizi View Post
    What's the FBI got to do with a website from China?

    I wonder if the FBI will call me, I'm in Australia. It might cost them too much.
    Nothing is too much for the USA to track :p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizi View Post
    What's the FBI got to do with a website from China?
    Not quite certain what to be honest, I think what occurred earlier was whomever owns the site 'spoofed' an FBI number to give a few of us a call.. either that or the voicemail box that his toll free links to is an FBI number to begin with.
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    It's probably just a scare tactic.
    Someone ought to signup and see what happens.
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    Swizi, if there's really something "unlimited" on this forum that's probably their funds.

    Searching google for defconhost.com only gives this thread, strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FHH - Tim View Post
    Yep thats a rip.

    Whats wrong with him joining to say that ?

    Its the best way to name and shame the rippers and hopefully David can get it taken down.
    Thats creative rip. LOL

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    Meh.
    I'm just a humble Aussie.
    Might be bad publicity for you David, that the "FBI" decided to rip your website and use it for theirs, which happens to be in China.

    China so happens to be a communist goverment.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

    ANZAC biscuits anyone?
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    Oh, I'd be content if it were the FBI. If they got into hosting they'd be too busy helping irate clients instead of listening in on my phone calls!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Oh, I'd be content if it were the FBI. If they got into hosting they'd be too busy helping irate clients instead of listening in on my phone calls!
    I don't know whether to laugh or be worried.
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    I don't know if it helps any, but I noticed something else very odd about this site, the copyright links to "Merok LLC" which is a blank page with some text and flags.

    What else is weird, is the domain is ".su"

    Not sure what that is, but I've never seen it before today.

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    Soviet union. Hmm.
    Very odd indeed. Maybe WHT could notify the authorities, I'm not sure if it's serious or not but, it all seems very strange and should be something out of a movie.

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    This is definitely not the run-of-the-mill website rip topic...

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