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    * BEWARE of Travis at Web Host Central http://webhostcentral.net

    Hi,

    I am hating the idea of starting such threads and knowing that I have to waste the next 2mn of my life doing so. But having thought a bit, I came to the conclusion that it is important to warn any other WHT users of Web Host Central.

    Before I start digging in the issue, I would like to simply state the reason why I am writing this post; it is not to ruin someone's reputation but to just expose to all, one of the common problem that all freelancers like me experience often with online jobs.

    As for information, I work and worked with lots of WHT subscribers, whom I have still today good relationshipd, however a few of you will recognize themselves for having made me do various server administration works and for having never paid me...

    I have been "fooled" around 5 times and this at many scales, from the simple admin job to the ones that have taken me 5 to 6 hours (and sometimes at odd times).

    anyway... I am not saying this to just "whine", lol not at all... but to share the reason why I decided this time to not just be quiet and to expose.

    Web Host Central has contacted me about two weeks ago for some custom php coding and to fix some problems with a checkout2 issue. Since Travis wasn't sure of the first project, I ended up working on the second issue. After having spent an hour and finalizing advising him on the steps to take, we concluded the project.

    After waiting two days, I still wasn't paid... knowing that prior to start working, this is what I was told

    03/03/2008 09:30:08 bLaZiN TrAv Ali hi
    03/03/2008 09:30:09 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i have a quick fix project
    03/03/2008 09:30:14 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i need to update a script
    03/03/2008 09:30:15 bLaZiN TrAv Ali and fix a page
    03/03/2008 09:30:20 bLaZiN TrAv Ali it will take you like 3-4 hours
    03/03/2008 09:30:24 bLaZiN TrAv Ali I have the money ready now
    03/03/2008 09:30:29 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i just ordered a server
    03/03/2008 09:30:39 bLaZiN TrAv Ali and am gonna spend more money so i need your help now if possible
    03/03/2008 09:30:45 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i can send you a link of the money i have sitting around.
    03/03/2008 09:31:00 Ali bLaZiN TrAv what do you mean a link of the money?
    03/03/2008 09:31:35 bLaZiN TrAv Ali a picutre
    03/03/2008 09:31:40 bLaZiN TrAv Ali of the $1k i have sitting
    03/03/2008 09:31:45 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i can pay you for your hourly work


    Now... the 1K money is sitting ,right?

    it gets funnier

    03/03/2008 09:39:05 bLaZiN TrAv Ali Pay Pal screwed me.

    funny, that only few days ago, he had paypal and was ready to pay through it

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...67&postcount=3

    04/03/2008 12:26:44 Ali bLaZiN TrAv ok well it is about an hour since i am on it, so please send 25 USD to [email protected] (it is a paypal address)
    04/03/2008 12:30:39 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i would but i dont have paypal
    04/03/2008 12:30:43 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i can send you a wire transfer
    04/03/2008 12:30:46 bLaZiN TrAv Ali or moneybookers


    So now, he does not have paypal but can send via moneybookers...

    so moneybookers it is...

    After some talk, we get to

    04/03/2008 12:48:40 Ali bLaZiN TrAv you dont have money on moneybookers?
    04/03/2008 12:50:52 bLaZiN TrAv Ali no i didnt set it up
    04/03/2008 12:50:57 bLaZiN TrAv Ali but u will have your money
    04/03/2008 12:51:21 Ali bLaZiN TrAv hey it is fine, i trust u


    So why did he want to pay me with moneybookers at first?

    Now after asking some questions, because things did not make sense, here is what he tells me

    04/03/2008 12:51:52 bLaZiN TrAv Ali full story is this
    04/03/2008 12:52:01 bLaZiN TrAv Ali ebay banned me because i was trying to sell a tv for a friend
    04/03/2008 12:52:03 bLaZiN TrAv Ali guy reported me
    04/03/2008 12:52:10 bLaZiN TrAv Ali i fought with ebay and paypal to get account back
    04/03/2008 12:52:13 bLaZiN TrAv Ali they limited it
    04/03/2008 12:52:18 bLaZiN TrAv Ali so now i refuse to use payapl
    04/03/2008 12:52:20 bLaZiN TrAv Ali *paypal


    hmm... I though he said earlier, he did not have paypal, now he does but it is limited...

    Now he went on to ask me a lot of admin stuff related questions... to which i answered, wanting to be nice and not caring much... till the point I tell him, i need to be paid i am going to be a consultant here...

    04/03/2008 13:26:52 bLaZiN TrAv Ali apache... 2.0 or 2.2
    04/03/2008 13:27:00 Ali bLaZiN TrAv lol
    04/03/2008 13:27:05 Ali bLaZiN TrAv consultancy cost
    04/03/2008 13:27:07 Ali bLaZiN TrAv

    04/03/2008 13:27:18 bLaZiN TrAv Ali jskdlfjlsdf.c0343/ssfjeklrejawtfbbqz


    Ok... now i ask him

    04/03/2008 16:31:12 Ali bLaZiN TrAv yo
    04/03/2008 16:31:16 Ali bLaZiN TrAv any news on moneybooker?
    04/03/2008 16:40:17 bLaZiN TrAv Ali you will have your money by 4pm my time
    04/03/2008 16:40:21 bLaZiN TrAv Ali PST.


    so on the 4th of March, I was supposed to get it..

    it goes on...

    05/03/2008 14:23:07 bLaZiN TrAv Ali hi
    05/03/2008 14:23:13 Ali bLaZiN TrAv hello Travis
    05/03/2008 14:23:21 Ali bLaZiN TrAv how are you?
    05/03/2008 14:23:35 bLaZiN TrAv Ali good. still having dns issues with new server
    05/03/2008 14:23:50 bLaZiN TrAv Ali gonna call my bank and other people at 8am in 2 hours.
    05/03/2008 14:24:11 Ali bLaZiN TrAv ok
    05/03/2008 14:24:20 Ali bLaZiN TrAv why do u need to call other people?
    05/03/2008 14:25:12 bLaZiN TrAv Ali for my swift code for moneybookers to pay you. among other things.


    and goes on...

    07/03/2008 16:45:27 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Travis, still waiting for your SWIFT code ?
    07/03/2008 16:45:44 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali yeah ill take care of that right now
    07/03/2008 16:54:26 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali Okay well i am on the phone with my bank now.


    Now I started to bug him (in all I did not care much about the 25, i was pissed from start to see the same scenario happened again)

    07/03/2008 17:01:23 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali I just got the moneybookers set up. Don't trip.
    07/03/2008 17:01:58 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali What is your money bookers information.
    07/03/2008 17:02:04 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali I am seding you your money now.
    07/03/2008 17:03:06 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali hello?
    07/03/2008 17:03:16 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali I am sitting here ready to send you your 25 USD
    07/03/2008 17:03:30 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali Okay whatever im going to sleep i didnt sleep but 4 hours last night.


    so He got moneybookers set up as he says

    It continues...

    08/03/2008 18:57:57 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Travis
    08/03/2008 18:58:01 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: it is taking long for you to pay
    08/03/2008 18:58:06 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: dont you think so?
    08/03/2008 18:58:07 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only::

    08/03/2008 18:58:19 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali dude
    08/03/2008 18:58:28 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali I went to the bank. did the research. western union was down. 08/03/2008 18:58:33 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: lol
    08/03/2008 18:58:35 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali I'm trying to get moneybookers to work.


    What the heck... what does Western Union has to do with moneybookers?

    Now after bugging him.. he says

    08/03/2008 18:59:26 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali No, it's not as simple as paypal was... tell you what if I get to talk to my friend today I will just paypal you the money.
    08/03/2008 18:59:46 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: ok


    he will use paypal, actually to disagree with him, moneybooker is simple as paypal.

    Now 4 days later....

    12/03/2008 17:41:05 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali Working on my blog! http://www.blazintrav.com
    12/03/2008 17:41:17 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali ok
    12/03/2008 17:41:24 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali do you have a place i can wire the money to?
    12/03/2008 17:41:55 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali if you send me the routing number, account number i will have it sent right now.
    12/03/2008 17:42:19 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali Let me know when you can share something like that in a secure meathod such as encrypted email. Thanks.


    Isn't unbelievable that this guy NOW ASKES me where he should send the money to? and AS the previous days, HE IS ALWAYS SENDING IT NOW

    He once was drunk talking to me on msn... so after asking him if he was drunk...

    12/03/2008 17:43:53 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali No. It's in my bank of america account. I am not drunk. Please be reasonable and I sending it now.

    He is still SENDING IT NOW

    12/03/2008 18:03:01 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali and i am sending $50 because i anticipate us doing more business and i already wired it
    12/03/2008 18:04:23 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: ok
    12/03/2008 18:04:48 Ali Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: "wired it" you mean through moneybookers ?
    12/03/2008 18:09:15 Travis : West Coast Web Hosting :: Unix Only:: Ali No I will send it through Moneybookers Ltd. as soon as I see the funds.


    so before, he had the funds on MB, now he is wiring it to MB... i don't follow...

    Since that day, he does not reply to my msn messages... and I have never seen any trace of money.

    Well good news is, i dont want his money but bad news is, I once again have been tricked...

    beware about this guy, Travis, obviously someone you can't trust nor for personal business, nor to host your website with.

    I hope the moderators wont just as they sometimes do, delete such post because WHT is supposed to preserve a certain image but as the thousand of freelancers that make this website alive, it is important we start digging out the ones whom ambition is just to profit, abuse and use...

    Peace to you all,

    Ali
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    I've updated your first post so the second post wouldn't be necessary.

    Its a shame that you had to find yourself in a situation like that. I'm sure if he had been up front and honestly told you that he didnt have the money right now, you would have had no problem giving him a bit of an extension.

    I just dont get why some people feel they need to drag others along with empty promises.

    Also, I've edited the title of this thread. Since its an accusation at an individual rather than the company. I didn't want it to seem like you were a customer reviewing a service.
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    What different type of work do you do?
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    The convo was pretty humorous to read. Certainly this person has no personal integrity, and seems plainly immature.
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    Woah, Noted
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWalczak View Post
    I've updated your first post so the second post wouldn't be necessary.

    Its a shame that you had to find yourself in a situation like that. I'm sure if he had been up front and honestly told you that he didnt have the money right now, you would have had no problem giving him a bit of an extension.

    I just dont get why some people feel they need to drag others along with empty promises.

    Also, I've edited the title of this thread. Since its an accusation at an individual rather than the company. I didn't want it to seem like you were a customer reviewing a service.
    I thought I might as well tell my side of the story since "Prince Ali" here is so quick to write a slanderous thread, obviously he has the free time to try and ask for employment for $25/hr so he must need money for something.

    I posted a thread stating I needed help, I went through the trouble to wire $50 internationally, which cost me a total of about $100. I drove around trying to find a cheap solution to do so; later he contacts me about once a week, doesn't email me, warns me he will "create a negative review on WHT and similar forums," apparently he has the time to write slander about me on multiple forums on the internet. I'm not sure what the motivation was to do so.

    So now I have $50 sitting around which I was going to pay him, but now it seems like he just wants to drum around and waste people's hard earned money. To be honest, I don't see how he administers anything if this is how he treats other clients.

    I took the time to get the money wired to a Bank in the UK, which I don't usually do business with in the first place, just for this one individual. You'd think he'd take the time to explain why he doesn't want the money, considering it is there for ONE HOUR of work which he did on my script/server.

    Simply put, I am working with people out of India now and I am much more satisfied. Not only will these individuals in India get more money, but at least they have the decency to check in and not write up slanderous threads on WHT.

    I hope he learns his lesson. Certainly I wouldn't do business with him in the future if he takes the time to bash me publicly like he did here.

    The fact of the matter is if this guy is looking for full time employment I would have given it to him, but it's not worth the hassle for $25 an hour if this is how he treats his potential employer.

    If you want the $25 I can still send it to your moneybookers. In fact, I might as well since I have that information somewhere, but since that computer is offline and I cannot access the hard drive at this time it would take me more time to access that information. So not only did you cost me gas money, 10 hours of extra research into wiring the money, and a $42 wire fee, now you are out to hurt my good name. Thanks, great doing business with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmyWilliams View Post
    The convo was pretty humorous to read. Certainly this person has no personal integrity, and seems plainly immature.
    I'm glad it's amusing. At least I am able to get something out of it, it certainly doesn't amuse me. I'm glad it amuses you UK chaps, business in America isn't a joke. Apparently it is for you? I haven't seen this guy's "web sites" or what he specializes in, but he didn't even help me trouble shoot the issue. In fact, the work probably took him 5-15 minutes. Yet the headache he caused me last week was more than enough for me to completely want to ignore doing business with EU/UK. Not worth my time.
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    First off, I'm responding to you not based on the fact I'm taking sides, rather because I'm confused with several points your trying to make.

    obviously he has the free time to try and ask for employment for $25/hr so he must need money for something.
    I don't understand how this is relevant? If hes able to get work at that rate, why stop him?

    I posted a thread stating I needed help, I went through the trouble to wire $50 internationally, which cost me a total of about $100.
    Who'd you wire the money to, him?

    So now I have $50 sitting around which I was going to pay him
    I thought you just said you already wired it?

    You'd think he'd take the time to explain why he doesn't want the money, considering it is there for ONE HOUR of work which he did on my script/server.
    So you expected him to do it for free?

    If you want the $25 I can still send it to your moneybookers. In fact, I might as well since I have that information somewhere, but since that computer is offline and I cannot access the hard drive at this time it would take me more time to access that information. So not only did you cost me gas money, 10 hours of extra research into wiring the money, and a $42 wire fee, now you are out to hurt my good name. Thanks, great doing business with you.
    Again I thought you already said you paid him? Why would you not have paid him $25 since it seems doing so would have saved you this negative post. How has he cost you $50 when you say you haven't paid him yet?


    I guess based upon what I gather from whats been said in this thread, I'm not sure what you expected him to do. He has the chat logs to prove that you promised him a payment on several occasions but never follow through. He concluded his original post by saying you were no longer responding to his messages. I think if I found myself in that situation, I too would be a bit concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    I thought I might as well tell my side of the story since "Prince Ali" here is so quick to write a slanderous thread, obviously he has the free time to try and ask for employment for $25/hr so he must need money for something.

    I posted a thread stating I needed help, I went through the trouble to wire $50 internationally, which cost me a total of about $100.
    Being a full time student doing an MSc isn't having free time...

    You said you went through the trouble??? it is truly unbelievable what you are saying, especially when it has taken you TWO weeks to do that unbelievable transfer. What is more sad is now, out of the blue, you refer to an international transfer? and the cost it took you? I am not sure you really know how MoneyBookers works? because otherwise you would found a better lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    I drove around trying to find a cheap solution to do so; later he contacts me about once a week,
    once a week? lol, did you check the msn logs, see the dates? that's what you call once a week?

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    doesn't email me, warns me he will "create a negative review on WHT and similar forums,"
    What a big lie... I warned you two weeks later... yet you don't refer to the logs... why don't you just post the logs here?

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    apparently he has the time to write slander about me on multiple forums on the internet. I'm not sure what the motivation was to do so.
    Lol, I only wrote on this forum (WHT) and no where else... not sure where you saw me writing elsewhere. My motivation? make people aware of people like you.

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    So now I have $50 sitting around which I was going to pay him, but now it seems like he just wants to drum around and waste people's hard earned money.
    I have sent you messages on MSN the WHOLE MORNING. It was only when I posted on WHT, that by some miracles sunddenly the money was there, and that you started to reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    To be honest, I don't see how he administers anything if this is how he treats other clients.
    You protray me to be an evil person when the one who is supposed to be guilty here is you. Once I have completed my first task, I have provided you free support and answered all the questions you had. I have never threaten you until passed two weeks... where I even took the humility to explain how I felt towards your "behavior" and what I was thinking of doing if you weren't resuming... For the last 4 days, you did not reply to any of my messages, now today you burst, whining like a kid...

    I work for many users here on WHT, I invite them to comment on my work...

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    I took the time to get the money wired to a Bank in the UK, which I don't usually do business with in the first place, just for this one individual.
    funny you say that you don't usually do business with MB, especially when you were the one offering to use MoneyBooker.

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    You'd think he'd take the time to explain why he doesn't want the money, considering it is there for ONE HOUR of work which he did on my script/server.

    Simply put, I am working with people out of India now and I am much more satisfied. Not only will these individuals in India get more money, but at least they have the decency to check in and not write up slanderous threads on WHT.
    this is like boiling my brain right now, especially when I CHECK IN WITH YOU FOR TWO FLIPPIN WEEKS and YOU HAVE THE GUTS to come here and WRITE I DID NOT (calm down Ali calm down).

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    I hope he learns his lesson. Certainly I wouldn't do business with him in the future if he takes the time to bash me publicly like he did here.
    No worries, even if you would give me 100000000 euros, i won't bother taking them

    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    The fact of the matter is if this guy is looking for full time employment I would have given it to him, but it's not worth the hassle for $25 an hour if this is how he treats his potential employer.
    you, a potential employer? you are seriously funny... very hillarious... someone who was begging me to not charge him to answer his questions? that is the person who can hire fulltime? loool

    Dude, do you realize by saying craps like that, you making yourself appear just as a fool to the rest of the community?

    The fact is, no matter what you write or say, you are a thief and a liar... if you persist in writing crap, I will then upload the WHOLE msn log to my server and make it public... because I am getting tired in replying to your bullshits

    Seriously and no offence, you remind me of one of my ex girlfriends... unlogical thoughts, irrational concepts... seriously read yourself, there is even a log... you just blow my mind away.... people like you should leave the IT business alone and sell sugar bread on the street.
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    If someone really wanted to pay someone else for work they did...that is to say if they wanted to be honest about things...

    They could just get a money order and post it via guranteed delivery by US postal service.

    It is tracked, arrives within a few days if you are both in US, and maybe a couple of days more if not.

    For something like ten bucks, you can send small amount of funds, insured, and be done with it.

    No driving around, no system is down, no issues with this service and banned from that...just good old 'money where your mouth is.'

    If someone really wanted to make good on their word.
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    Instead of talking about how you were going to pay him, you tried to pay him, you drove around wasting your gas (how is this his fault?), blah, blah blah, blah, blah....JUST PAY THE MAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWalczak View Post
    First off, I'm responding to you not based on the fact I'm taking sides, rather because I'm confused with several points your trying to make.


    So you expected him to do it for free?


    I guess based upon what I gather from whats been said in this thread, I'm not sure what you expected him to do. He has the chat logs to prove that you promised him a payment on several occasions but never follow through. He concluded his original post by saying you were no longer responding to his messages. I think if I found myself in that situation, I too would be a bit concerned.
    I mentioned to him several times I had two hours of work for $25/hour as agreed in a previous thread that I had posted.

    On Thursday of last week I wired the 50 USD to my Moneybookers, Ltd. account. I was informed on Saturday morning, GMT -8 that the funds were received; a that point I was ready to send it do him but the computer where I had logged the chat was down; I attempted to find him online, but I didn't hear from him until today, when he wrote this thread. I wake up after about 4 hours of sleep of working with an individual from India on one of my servers. "Ali" instantly starts writing incoherent sentences via MSN saying:

    6:05:44 AM Ali: ok you were warned
    6:05:47 AM Ali: i am taking this to WHT
    6:05:48 AM Ali: sorry
    9:21:55 AM Ali: review posted on WHT
    9:22:00 AM Ali: you are just a thief
    9:22:09 AM Ali: and trust me
    9:22:14 AM Ali: ur wont succeed in ur business
    9:22:16 AM Ali: with this attitude
    9:22:20 AM Ali: life is about fairness
    9:22:24 AM Ali: go get drunk again
    9:22:29 AM Ali: waste ur life like this
    9:22:37 AM Ali: i hope one day, you realize ur actions
    9:22:49 AM Ali: but what can anyone say
    9:23:04 AM Ali: u probably gonna die never realizing
    9:23:13 AM Ali: die as an idiot
    9:23:15 AM Ali: anyhow
    9:23:25 AM Ali: never contact me again

    Totally inappropriate of you, first of all, not to mention unprofessional.

    I'm going to attach a screen shot of the money still waiting to be transferred to your account for the work you were SUPPOSED to do. None of which you did, you simply logged into my CE script with super-admin access and told me that the problem was on 2checkout's end. For a full week you badgered me, saying I didn't have the money, quoting some post in my blog about how I had gone out one night to the bar (totally irrelevant), proceeding to say "go die as an idiot."

    I am trying to be professional and send you the $50 that belongs to you. You are the one acting like a girl posting chat logs on a public forum. I would appreciate this thread closed because I have a feeling the OP will stop at nothing to push his personal agenda with this matter.

    I have the money ready to be sent to your moneybookers for your work. I've never been a thief I always pay my clients and as far as I am concerned you should not do business either; judging by your unprofessionalism. If you wanted $25 you could have easily emailed me an invoice, we agree on a day you get paid, done deal. However, apparently it is not clear to you that we are both in school and are busy, perhaps it didn't occur to you that I could have wired you $25, but it would have cost me $35-42. Western Union was down in my town so the reasonable thing to do would have been to agree on a date rather than taking the time to... you definitely blur the line between public and private.

    Anyway, here is the screen shot. I wish to leave this thread with no more drama than you managed to create.

    http://www.pwnz0r.net/images/personal/moneybookers.png ... it's there waiting for you for your work. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampdoria View Post
    If someone really wanted to pay someone else for work they did...that is to say if they wanted to be honest about things...

    They could just get a money order and post it via guranteed delivery by US postal service.

    It is tracked, arrives within a few days if you are both in US, and maybe a couple of days more if not.

    For something like ten bucks, you can send small amount of funds, insured, and be done with it.

    No driving around, no system is down, no issues with this service and banned from that...just good old 'money where your mouth is.'

    If someone really wanted to make good on their word.
    Thanks for the comment but the individual lives in Europe... I live in CA, USA... so it wouldn't likely cost $10 to send it to him, realistically.
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    When I hire someone, I plan out in advance how I'm going to pay them. Why is it that its taking you so long to figure out how to get the money to him? That should have been your top priority BEFORE you hired him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post
    Thanks for the comment but the individual lives in Europe... I live in CA, USA... so it wouldn't likely cost $10 to send it to him, realistically.
    http://ircalc.usps.gov/IntlMailServi...1&P=0&O=4&sd=1

    There is the US Postal Service link for prices to the UK..11 bucks and it gets there in 6-10 days. Even cheaper if you do it online.

    You never mentioned where in Europe, but that should give you some idea of how inexpesnive and painless it can be...compared to gas money, transfer fees, you time driving around, and all the other lamentable things you had to go through just to do the guy the favor of paying him for work he did.

    Realistically...its 2008, not 1908. California isn't some wide open frontier and Europe isn't the 'old country.' Mail has evolved, and it seems you have bad luck using electronic services.
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    Debian had every right to do what he did. I read both conversations. and Travis, its quite funny how you changed your story so many times...

    "Totally inappropriate of you, first of all, not to mention unprofessional." -- A person can only wait so much, after waiting for your next excuse I would have acted the same way. Obviously it worked.

    Nice to know now this has somewhat came to a resolution...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHC - Travis View Post

    I am trying to be professional and send you the $50 that belongs to you. You are the one acting like a girl posting chat logs on a public forum.
    Professionals don't discriminate, silly.
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    I thank the moderators for allowing me to post one more time here. I have requested the thread to be opened, since I wasn't able to reply to Travis... my timezone being GMT, the thread was already closed once I got the chance to read it.

    First off, this is a message to Travis: I do not want to hold anything against you Travis. It won't matter what excuses you might bring, the fact is, some principles have been violated.

    You have given the impression to people on this thread that you have paid me, but you really and still haven't. I have sent you two PMs since the mod closed that thread but you never replied to them.

    You seem to treat me to have been unprofessional and immature when all I have done was waiting for two weeks and talk to you almost every day. I have warned you and told you I would be writing on WHT, days before. Yet you look surprised I did.

    Oh well... I find your comments very disproportionate and not very grounded. I see there is no point to try to debate on this issue as we say in my world "doesn't matter how long you leave a stick in the water, it would never turn to be a crocodile"... thus saying, I read and read what you wrote, I just don't get you... maybe it is just hard for you to admit the fact and apologize.

    Anyhow... please keep the money, I relieve you from this debt. My apologies (I really mean it) if I have hurted you somehow by posting on this thread. I do want to believe you are different and had different intentions... anyhow, for me it is a page turned. Also sorry for calling you a drunk... I was upset of being "cheated" once more that I just got "mean" and "unrespectful" towards you.

    My apologies also to the members of WHT, if any of you have found this initiative to point out a problem that most of us (freelancers) face, immature... then please receive my apologies.

    Thanks for those who have taken the time to read this post and who have participated... I hope in all, we all learn from it and try to avoid future similar situations.

    Sincerely,
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    Quote Originally Posted by debiannerd View Post
    I thank the moderators for allowing me to post one more time here. I have requested the thread to be opened, since I wasn't able to reply to Travis... my timezone being GMT, the thread was already closed once I got the chance to read it.

    First off, this is a message to Travis: I do not want to hold anything against you Travis. It won't matter what excuses you might bring, the fact is, some principles have been violated.
    <sip>
    Is this really worth making a post about here on WHT? I mean, alright - some people reading it will probably love the dramatics of this.

    But, is it really worth to first of all take the time to assemble the material, and then putting up private chatlogs on a public forum for everyone on the Internet to read?

    I don't know... is it?

    I do feel for you, in fact - I feel for both of you... But try to handle these things in private. (If not to save face.)

    It's just not worth it over 25 USD.
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    Perhaps he just wanted to vent, and has thus doneso.

    Have you ever been so upset or mad about something that you just felt the need to tell somebody to "Get it off your chest" so to speak?

    This is probably the case.
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    Sure I have, but I'd come to my senses half-way of writing such a post I guess..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    Is this really worth making a post about here on WHT? I mean, alright - some people reading it will probably love the dramatics of this.

    But, is it really worth to first of all take the time to assemble the material, and then putting up private chatlogs on a public forum for everyone on the Internet to read?

    I don't know... is it?

    I do feel for you, in fact - I feel for both of you... But try to handle these things in private. (If not to save face.)

    It's just not worth it over 25 USD.
    Henrik, it was a follow up... and a respo!nse to his post...

    As i have said earlier, if you read the whole thread, it isn't about the money, it is about principles.

    That post had a goal as to allert people of such practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    Is this really worth making a post about here on WHT? I mean, alright - some people reading it will probably love the dramatics of this.

    But, is it really worth to first of all take the time to assemble the material, and then putting up private chatlogs on a public forum for everyone on the Internet to read?

    I don't know... is it?

    I do feel for you, in fact - I feel for both of you... But try to handle these things in private. (If not to save face.)

    It's just not worth it over 25 USD.
    Reading for comprehension might help understand that he doesn't care about the actual money, just the way the guy does business and treats people...he did mention the principle of it a few times.

    It may have taken a bit of effort to post on here, but it took Travis the same to respond...and more than it would have taken to actually pay the OP.

    I know I learned something from this thread...don't do business with a certain someone.
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