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  1. #1

    wanna start colocating

    Hi,

    I posted the following (my first-ever post) in another forum and now I think, perhaps, it was the wrong forum. Therefore, I repost here with hopes for a greater likelihood of an answer. I apologize if reposting is wrong.
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    I've been reselling for a well-known company (who shall remain nameless) for a few months now, but I'd like to start colocating locally (we have a local datacenter and their monthly recurring charges are comparable to what I'm paying now).

    My question is: what do I need to get started? I'm looking into a 1U system so any advice on what components are necessary would be greatly appreciated (i.e., what else besides hdd with redundancy, cdrom, floppy, memory, nic, and cpu). Did I read something in these forums about 1U's needing extra attention with cooling?

    I'll be using Redhat 7.3 as the OS. Is anyone using RH right now and if so, should I be looking out for anything in particular?

    One thing of interest to me is the control panel. I'm not really looking to make it possible for users to create/maintain their own accounts so I'm not sure I even need a control panel. IOW, I don't mind manually creating all the accounts and maintain them myself if I only knew how to create multiple domains, etc, in Linux (new territory for me).

    If using a control panel is absolutely necessary, which one is the most popular. I've been to Ensim's site, Plesk's site and Cpanel's site. Judging by their forums, I'm not really impressed with any.

    I've looked at some GNU control panels. Some look promising. Is anyone using one of those?

    How does one handle the DNS in a colocating environment? Are new domain entries handled by the control panel? If not, is there something for the linux world that's easier than Bind?

    Sorry for so many questions, but I'm getting closer to making the move. Should have asked these questions some time ago, but I only found this forum a few minutes ago.

    TIA...

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    get a tower...

    When we first started out, we just built some mid towers.
    They're cheap and reliable.

    You might find a local datacenter that will let you colo that for about 100 bucks a month. Otherwise, just get a 1U from qsol.com or interpromicro.com . Interpro is CHEAP, but that reflects on their system's reliability sometime.

    Rahul

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    Re: wanna start colocating

    Originally posted by jcwebhost
    Hi,

    I posted the following (my first-ever post) in another forum and now I think, perhaps, it was the wrong forum. Therefore, I repost here with hopes for a greater likelihood of an answer. I apologize if reposting is wrong.
    -------

    I've been reselling for a well-known company (who shall remain nameless) for a few months now, but I'd like to start colocating locally (we have a local datacenter and their monthly recurring charges are comparable to what I'm paying now).
    Good! When you grow, you will do better $$

    My question is: what do I need to get started? I'm looking into a 1U system so any advice on what components are necessary would be greatly appreciated (i.e., what else besides hdd with redundancy, cdrom, floppy, memory, nic, and cpu). Did I read something in these forums about 1U's needing extra attention with cooling?
    You should look for quality parts. I usually suggest Maxtor or IBM IDE disks (check out some hardware review sites), for SCSI Seagate Cheetah and IBM SCSI drives (again, check out some reviews, some particular HDD's are rather bad and not performing well, plus, some have high failure rates).

    Motherboards?.... Tyan, Asus, Supermicro and many others....

    If you are building 1U SCSI system, I suggest using Thermaltake coolers http://www.thermaltake.com/. And you are correct, for 1U it's always a good idea to have a good cooling - there is not much extra space there

    Check out this link, I have posted what parts to use to build cheap 1U rackmount, but still with decent quality!
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...threadid=67744

    I'll be using Redhat 7.3 as the OS. Is anyone using RH right now and if so, should I be looking out for anything in particular?
    It's good! Standard ISO images from their FTP site will do perfect.

    One thing of interest to me is the control panel. I'm not really looking to make it possible for users to create/maintain their own accounts so I'm not sure I even need a control panel. IOW, I don't mind manually creating all the accounts and maintain them myself if I only knew how to create multiple domains, etc, in Linux (new territory for me).

    If using a control panel is absolutely necessary, which one is the most popular. I've been to Ensim's site, Plesk's site and Cpanel's site. Judging by their forums, I'm not really impressed with any.

    I've looked at some GNU control panels. Some look promising. Is anyone using one of those?
    Well, you mean webmin..?
    I don't think gnu control panels have all the features for virtual hosting/ webhosting companies right now.


    How does one handle the DNS in a colocating environment? Are new domain entries handled by the control panel? If not, is there something for the linux world that's easier than Bind?
    You can use WEBMIN's Bind module. Plus, Bind config is not that tought.....

    Sorry for so many questions, but I'm getting closer to making the move. Should have asked these questions some time ago, but I only found this forum a few minutes ago.

    TIA... [/B]
    I Hope this helps

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    Thanks so much for your useful reply.

    Motherboards?.... Tyan, Asus, Supermicro and many others....
    I went over to Tyan's website and had a look around. I assume you're talking about the Tiger 200T. Looks good. I was thinking along the lines of a P4 1.8g but for the same price, I can get 2 Tiger P3's. I like that. Also, I like the fact that raid is built on. Saves me 80 bucks right there.

    I assume the 5 PCI slots wouldn't/couldn't be used in a 1U environment. And what the heck is a Tualatin?

    Considering I would rather pay competitive prices instead gouge prices, where can I get this mobo?

    If you are building 1U SCSI system, I suggest using Thermaltake coolers
    I'm probably the only wannabe alive who doesn't care too much for SCSI. With the power of the new IDE's, they're not worth the extra expense.

    Check out this link, I have posted what parts to use to build cheap 1U rackmount, but still with decent quality!
    Thanks. Actually, I had read that before posting. But at the time, I was interested in picking up info on how everyone is handling the control panel aspect of things.

    At any rate, looking at your list again, I've decided to go the route of putting one together myself. One question, though, where in the world can one get a 512mb PC133 for $50?

    It's good! Standard ISO images from their FTP site will do perfect.
    IMHO, 'tis the only way to go. I've been an MS defender forever, but with the forced-feeding of this .NET technocrap, I'm jumping ship. Sad part is, I'm seeing it creeping into other platforms.

    Well, you mean webmin..?
    I don't think gnu control panels have all the features for virtual hosting/ webhosting companies right now.
    I've used Webmin and think it's sweet as cotton candy. However, I think it's for just 1 server and not controlling several. Someone, please tell me I'm wrong. I'd use it in a heartbeat.

    Actually, for GNU control panels, I was thinking more along the lines of the following:

    http://www.kandalaya.org/vishwakarma.shtml
    http://www.freevsd.org/
    http://www.chaogic.com/vhost/
    http://isfree.terrabox.com/
    http://www.ispman.org/

    I was hoping to get feedback on any or all.

    Bind config is not that tought....
    I set up Bind once. My head hurt for days.

    I Hope this helps
    Immensely. Thank you so much.

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    http://www.pricewatch.com/1/33/2425-1.htm

    and you will find major brand memory for $53 a-grade.

    Watch out for low-density memory that starts at $44... only certain chipsets support it.....

    http://www.dvcentury.com!/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DVC&Product_Code=698549

    http://www.dvcentury.com!/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DVC&Product_Code=695812

    ps. remove ! in URL's above..

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    http://www.kandalaya.org/vishwakarma.shtml
    http://www.freevsd.org/
    http://www.chaogic.com/vhost/
    http://isfree.terrabox.com/
    http://www.ispman.org/

    I was hoping to get feedback on any or all.
    http://www.kandalaya.org/vishwakarma.shtml

    Actually, I spot it a few times before but never tested it out. Maybe some other users can post some feedback


    http://www.freevsd.org/
    This is a bit different joy, something like virtual server - almost all services run in chrooted environment and you have pseudo root access for every virtual site. It's been around for quite some time and I have seen hosting providers using it.

    http://www.chaogic.com/vhost/
    Only WWW support?

    http://isfree.terrabox.com/
    still under construction?

    http://www.ispman.org/
    Heard about it. But I don't know any hosting company using it in server environment.....


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    Originally posted by jcwebhost
    I went over to Tyan's website and had a look around. I assume you're talking about the Tiger 200T. Looks good. I was thinking along the lines of a P4 1.8g but for the same price, I can get 2 Tiger P3's. I like that. Also, I like the fact that raid is built on. Saves me 80 bucks right there.
    IMHO, I'd go for the dual P3s over a single P4, particularly if it's "only" a 1.8 GHz P4. A lot of people prefer P3s over P4s.

    I assume the 5 PCI slots wouldn't/couldn't be used in a 1U environment. And what the heck is a Tualatin?
    Most 1U cases only let you use a single PCI card. (A few seem to offer two or three, but that may have been a typo on their part.) A Tualatin is some sort of new processor, I think it's like an extension of the P3 line or something.

    I'm probably the only wannabe alive who doesn't care too much for SCSI. With the power of the new IDE's, they're not worth the extra expense.
    Actually, I think there's a large (and growing) number of people who don't care much for SCSI. I don't argue that SCSI can outperform EIDE... But I do argue that it's not worth it. You can spend like $200-$400 on a 36 GB SCSI drive. Or buy several 60+ GB, 7200 RPM IDE disks, run 'em in RAID 1, and probably end up outperforming the SCSI disks if you're careful with the configuration. SCSI disks cost a lot more.

    At any rate, looking at your list again, I've decided to go the route of putting one together myself. One question, though, where in the world can one get a 512mb PC133 for $50?
    Let me know if you find it!

    Actually, for GNU control panels, I was thinking more along the lines of the following:

    http://www.kandalaya.org/vishwakarma.shtml
    http://www.freevsd.org/
    http://www.chaogic.com/vhost/
    http://isfree.terrabox.com/
    http://www.ispman.org/

    I was hoping to get feedback on any or all.
    It might be worthwhile to spend some time searching around for info on these. There are a number of free panels, but it seems that people prefer non-free ones. (Also, something like FreeVSD creates "virtual machines" -- it's not just a control panel. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this.)

    Without using anything besides Webmin (well, I have Ensim on a shared virtual hosting plan... But I don't administer it or anything.), I can't really give anything that's not "hearsay." However, I've heard that a lot of these programs are "unfinished," or are crap. (Don't get me wrong -- I'm an open-source fan. I just don't think any open-source control panels have developed enough features, aside from possibly Webmin.)

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    freevsd -

    I hope you can hack and know linux fairly well
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    yes, a lot of people prefer PIII over P4..... even some big manufacturers are slow (any other reason) to offer P4 based rackmounts..... IBM, HP... and others..

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    Originally posted by davidb
    freevsd -

    I hope you can hack and know linux fairly well
    Don't mince words. Tell us what you really mean.

    Actually, I can't tell if you're saying freevsd is the greatest or one of the hardest.

    I don't mind the hard ones. I have a tendency with new experiences to gravitate toward the most popular. But once comfortable, I start to seek the arcane.

    I know, weird, huh?

    Thanks for your input.

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    IMHO, I'd go for the dual P3s over a single P4, particularly if it's "only" a 1.8 GHz P4. A lot of people prefer P3s over P4s.
    Based on your recommendation (and Apollo's), I have ordered a single P3 at 1.13ghz. Will add a second later.
    Most 1U cases only let you use a single PCI card. (A few seem to offer two or three, but that may have been a typo on their part.) A Tualatin is some sort of new processor, I think it's like an extension of the P3 line or something.
    It doesn't seem possible to use any PCI cards. Perhaps that's the purpose of the "riser".
    Actually, I think there's a large (and growing) number of people who don't care much for SCSI. I don't argue that SCSI can outperform EIDE... But I do argue that it's not worth it.
    Count me as one
    Let me know if you find it!
    At the suggestion of another (Apollo, I think), I found them at dvcentury.com. Don't know how good they are but for 41 bucks, one can hardly go wrong.
    It might be worthwhile to spend some time searching around for info on these. There are a number of free panels, but it seems that people prefer non-free ones. (Also, something like FreeVSD creates "virtual machines" -- it's not just a control panel. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this.)
    When you say "virtual machine", do you mean separate memory workspaces, somewhat like NT's DVM?
    Without using anything besides Webmin (well, I have Ensim on a shared virtual hosting plan... But I don't administer it or anything.), I can't really give anything that's not "hearsay." However, I've heard that a lot of these programs are "unfinished," or are crap. (Don't get me wrong -- I'm an open-source fan. I just don't think any open-source control panels have developed enough features, aside from possibly Webmin.) [/B]
    I've reviewed webmin's features and see that it will, indeed, handle virtual servers. What I don't know is if it can handle IP-based accounts as well as name-based.

    Truth be told, my experience goes back to the early days of DOS, so I'm very confortable with text-based cfg files. I've been kicking around the idea of handling this entire configuration problem from the CLI.

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    Originally posted by apollo
    yes, a lot of people prefer PIII over P4..... even some big manufacturers are slow (any other reason) to offer P4 based rackmounts..... IBM, HP... and others..
    A couple of questions arose when looking into all this:

    1. What in the world is a backplane? I have seen that mentioned often and am not all sure what it is. From the looks of things, it's just another way of connecting cards.

    2. The case I've chosen for my server claims to have "no front door". Why is this important enough to add as a disclaimer?

    Thanks for all your help. I've ordered the CPU, a Tyan 200T mobo, and 2 Maxtors. Took all day because googlegear is slow as molasses. Couldn't get the servercase guys on the phone. Just kept ringing. Not a good sign but will keep after them or float elsewhere.

    The hardware for this endeavor is one thing, the control panel is certainly another, but I'm wondering if there is an FAQ or white paper that outlines the steps necessary to put all the pieces of collocation together?

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